Kings picking 13th overall (formerly the draft lotto thread)
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There's some truth to this, but there are also years where there is a clear number 1. This is just not one of those years. Or, if there is a "clear number one" it's because numbers 2 and on are significantly weaker in comparison to number 1. The problem with draft classes these days is the drop in talent after the first pick (or two) are off of the board. By pick 3, teams are pretty much picking from a large pool of talent, hoping that the one they go with will somehow figure out how to end up being much better than the next one on the list. That is where luck comes into the play.
I almost guarantee that there is a player taken 13 or later in this draft that will turn into an excellent pro. And most critiques of this draft class is the lack of top end talent (it is a lot of money to commit for a top 3 pick that is not a sure fire All Star Level talent). After pick 10, it’s like most drafts taken wise (from what I have read).
I hope the Kings can leverage the pick to get a stater at the 3 or 4 position.
I hope the Kings can leverage the pick to get a stater at the 3 or 4 position.
I don't ever remember guys billed to be at the top of the draft EVER agreeing to meet with a team picking at 13 either. That's the interesting part to me; they usually stick to like 4-7 teams at the top of the draft.
The rest of those guys I think at least have some chance of falling to 13 or it's at least a lot easier to trade up to a pick 10 than it is like a pick 3 where Sarr is supposed to go. We'll see I guess.
The rest of those guys I think at least have some chance of falling to 13 or it's at least a lot easier to trade up to a pick 10 than it is like a pick 3 where Sarr is supposed to go. We'll see I guess.
the problem wasn’t drafting for fit. The problem was the front court players they choose. They could have taken Bam at 10.
They could have taken Collins, Allen, Anunoby, Kuzma or Hart at 16
The could have taken Allen, Anunoby Kuzma or Hart at 20
literally a blind Monkey could have done a better job than Vlade in that draft. Vlade might go down is history as the worst talent evaluator ever.
They could have taken Collins, Allen, Anunoby, Kuzma or Hart at 16
The could have taken Allen, Anunoby Kuzma or Hart at 20
literally a blind Monkey could have done a better job than Vlade in that draft. Vlade might go down is history as the worst talent evaluator ever.
Yeah I agree that a blind monkey more than likely would have done better than JJ and Giles. I'm not gonna rag on him about Bam because I don't recall any of us talking about drafting him at 10. I remember talks about Collins and Anunoby but most of us were scratching our heads at JJ at 15 and happy with the swing taken on Giles at 20.
I remember a lot of people wanting Semi Ojeleye in the 2nd round too.
I remember a lot of people wanting Semi Ojeleye in the 2nd round too.
Not really sure where I'm at with Knecht. He's a good shooter, but gets streaky like Huerter. His play style flashes a little bit of Anthony Edwards with the shot creation, but he's nowhere near as athletic. Unlike Edwards, he's a minus defender despite his size. He's a very confident scorer with questionable shot selection. I don't think he's exactly what Monte looks for, but he is a lot more NBA ready than the other more talented younger guards. Don't know that I like him for the Kings unless his all-around scoring translates in the NBA.
Goes against the grain, but I don't see it with Carter. He's more Davion than Donovan.
I'm skeptical of anyone who has a random 3pt shooting % rise in their final year of college after being a poor shooter in their previous seasons.
He seems redundant with Keon on the team, but I think he has a higher offensive ceiling.
I'm skeptical of anyone who has a random 3pt shooting % rise in their final year of college after being a poor shooter in their previous seasons.
He seems redundant with Keon on the team, but I think he has a higher offensive ceiling.
He was undoubtedly their offensive engine. But he probably had the least impressive 40pt game I’ve seen in a while. It was the game against Kentucky. I watched it at the beginning of the season and re-watched the highlights from this video:
On this Kings team, what are we looking for from him? I think he would only be worth the trade up in the draft if he can give you the 3 level scoring we saw in college.
Edit: seems like a lazy comp, but I would be ok with a baseline of Austin Reaves without the playmaking
On this Kings team, what are we looking for from him? I think he would only be worth the trade up in the draft if he can give you the 3 level scoring we saw in college.
Edit: seems like a lazy comp, but I would be ok with a baseline of Austin Reaves without the playmaking
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By no means am I placing a bet that he will become Donovan Mitchell. I was simply saying that he has the athleticism, strength, and length to be a problem offensively IF he develops his offensive skillset.
But it’s not like his offensive skillset today is on par with Ryan Dunn. He averaged 22.3 PTS per 40 min with a .597 TS%. He can dribble, he can pass, and he was able to knock down his shots this year (.377 3P% on 223 3PA and .749 FT% on 171 FTA). Now I dont really think he has floor general potential but he could end up being a good scorer if he can put it all together. He’s also a good finisher at the rim and in traffic while also showing some ability to get to the line (5.9 FTA per 40 min).
Again, the point was more about him having a high floor while having a good shot at becoming a White/Smart/DiVincenzo type player while having a slim chance at becoming a Donovan Mitchell type player. That seems like pretty good value at #13 to me.
But it’s not like his offensive skillset today is on par with Ryan Dunn. He averaged 22.3 PTS per 40 min with a .597 TS%. He can dribble, he can pass, and he was able to knock down his shots this year (.377 3P% on 223 3PA and .749 FT% on 171 FTA). Now I dont really think he has floor general potential but he could end up being a good scorer if he can put it all together. He’s also a good finisher at the rim and in traffic while also showing some ability to get to the line (5.9 FTA per 40 min).
Again, the point was more about him having a high floor while having a good shot at becoming a White/Smart/DiVincenzo type player while having a slim chance at becoming a Donovan Mitchell type player. That seems like pretty good value at #13 to me.
I don't know that he would get that opportunity on this team. We're stacked at SG between Huerter, Keon, and Davion. Even with the assumption that Davion takes the backup PG minutes, I really don't think Carter can beat out Huerter and Keon for minutes. Maybe he sees PT if we run out 3-guard lineups from the bench. Maybe the hope is that he can beat out one of Huerter or Keon. But he'll need to be a very good shooter to break into any lineups with Fox or Sabonis.
Right now, I just don't see a pathway for Carter to get minutes unless we start moving some players around. I see him as a SG in the next level. He can play some PG, but he's limited as playmaker.
With Carter, you're hoping he becomes an all-around scorer who brings the same type of defense as Keon.
Right now, I just don't see a pathway for Carter to get minutes unless we start moving some players around. I see him as a SG in the next level. He can play some PG, but he's limited as playmaker.
With Carter, you're hoping he becomes an all-around scorer who brings the same type of defense as Keon.
This past season was the least amount of college basketball I've watched in the last 7-8 years. Didn't really scout players like I normally do, but i've been doing some catching up on the prospects. I am a very big fan of Jared McCain. I think he might be the best shooter in this draft right there with Reed, but way he can get into his shot remains me of Steph. He's so quick with it. His feet, the balance, and release. All 1 motion. No wasted movement, no unnecessary pauses, no fadeaway, nor any ball fakes needed.
Check out the shot at 0:50. It looks sly and effortless.
Look at 1:31, stops on a dime for a transition 3.
Sky high potential with his shooting. He's my pick if we go for BPA.
Check out the shot at 0:50. It looks sly and effortless.
Look at 1:31, stops on a dime for a transition 3.
Sky high potential with his shooting. He's my pick if we go for BPA.
Draft heads seems to really like McCain. Is he more than just a shooter though? An elite shooter can help any team but he is small with not much of a wingspan and is mostly average on defense as far as I can tell. Doesn’t do much self creation either according to the geeks. I could see Monte really liking him though, maybe I need to look into him more
If we aren’t able to retain Monk in free agency, I believe we should really consider giving Isaiah Collier a look at #13. Bulldozes everyone to get to the rack and was in consideration of a top 3 draft pick before the college season. I don’t put the full blame on him for his draft stock falling, the entire USC team was a mess. Still put up solid numbers in college with 16.3 ppg, 2.9 rebs, 4.3 ast shooting at a 49% fg clip. He gives me Tyreke Evan’s vibes the way he gets to the rack effortlessly (he does it more so with force compared to Reke’s handle).
With McCain, the hope is that you draft him as an elite shooter and hope he can develop the rest of his game in the NBA.
He's a SG in the NBA because I don't think he offers the playmaking nor natural ball handling you get from PGs, but he has high IQ. I don't think his self-creation is a weakness at all when you see how quick he is to get to his 3pt shot. But he does lack scoring versatility because he's not the quickest nor lengthiest finisher.
His shooting ability is what makes him really special. The reason why we talk about him at #13 instead of #3 is probably because the uncertainty around the rest of his game. However, I would not be surprised if he goes top 10 when it's all said and done. I can see a team falling in love with his 3pt shot thinking they could mold him into the next elite shooting PG (at his maximum ceiling).
He's a SG in the NBA because I don't think he offers the playmaking nor natural ball handling you get from PGs, but he has high IQ. I don't think his self-creation is a weakness at all when you see how quick he is to get to his 3pt shot. But he does lack scoring versatility because he's not the quickest nor lengthiest finisher.
His shooting ability is what makes him really special. The reason why we talk about him at #13 instead of #3 is probably because the uncertainty around the rest of his game. However, I would not be surprised if he goes top 10 when it's all said and done. I can see a team falling in love with his 3pt shot thinking they could mold him into the next elite shooting PG (at his maximum ceiling).
The log jam at guard is a different topic than what we were discussing. The focus was on finding the best talent/value at #13 and making other moves (either this year or in the future) to balance the team.
I don‘t see this pick as someone who necessarily needs to be in our long term plans or someone that needs to solve our need at PF. I see this pick as purely an asset, and I want to make sure whoever we take is going to be valuable in a trade down the road. There’s obviously the chance that Carter develops enough to overtake the starting SG role but then that just frees up other players to be traded for a fit at another position.
I said this before but if we whiff on the #13 pick, there isn’t some sort of consolation prize because we took a PF/long wing. The asset’s value is sunk regardless. It just so happens that I’m not as high or as confident about some of the bigger wings/forward in this draft than I am about Carter (hence why my current preference is to target Carter).
I don‘t see this pick as someone who necessarily needs to be in our long term plans or someone that needs to solve our need at PF. I see this pick as purely an asset, and I want to make sure whoever we take is going to be valuable in a trade down the road. There’s obviously the chance that Carter develops enough to overtake the starting SG role but then that just frees up other players to be traded for a fit at another position.
I said this before but if we whiff on the #13 pick, there isn’t some sort of consolation prize because we took a PF/long wing. The asset’s value is sunk regardless. It just so happens that I’m not as high or as confident about some of the bigger wings/forward in this draft than I am about Carter (hence why my current preference is to target Carter).
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