Trade Deadline Thread
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I have no idea what to expect this deadline but think it is important that we don’t have players waiting to be traded all throughout the season again next year – so think minimum is to actually trade the guys that have been told they will likely be moved. And while I don’t anticipate this one deadline will solve too many of our problems (we have a decent number of them), it would be great if we bought in at least one guy who can become a genuine contributor alongside Hali, Mitchell, and/or Fox for the next few seasons. Or at least get the draft pick that becomes that guy.
To be fair, when Murray signed his deal he was (a) only one year removed from missing an entire season with a torn ACL, and (b) averaging 10.9 ppg, 4.1 apg and 5.8 rpg while playing 25.6 minutes a night.
He was a solid piece at the time, but he's been a definite outlier in terms of how much development he's made this far into his NBA career.
Even pre-injury it didn't look like he was going to be more than a rotational piece as a good defensive guard. To seem him make a leap in his fifth season (sixth in the league total, but as mentioned he missed all of the 2018-2019 season) at age 25 is pretty unexpected. For comparison, we think of Giannis as a guy that entered the league as a long term project and he was an all-star in his fourth season when he was 22.
IMO, Murray signed a very reasonable deal that could have even been considered a slight overpay by the Spurs at the time and based on his production up until then.
Is Fox overpaid? Up until this year I would have said no. He was making the kind of leaps you want to see and had he come into this season and put up even better numbers we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's only because he regressed this season (or at least so far this season) that the max deal seems like it might be a mistake. At this point I'm not sure what concerns me the most - the decline in his game, the change in his attitude, or that he's continues to miss games and no one is sure why.
But the other problem with Fox's contract is based on the failure of the Kings to build a winning roster. I think most of us agree that on a contending team, heck just on a team that consistently makes the playoffs, you'd want Fox to likely be your second best player. But in failing to draft someone that would make Fox the #2 guy (or even 1B) he was forced into being the best player. With that being the case the Kings were going to need to max him out or trade him. They really didn't have any other options.
He was a solid piece at the time, but he's been a definite outlier in terms of how much development he's made this far into his NBA career.
Even pre-injury it didn't look like he was going to be more than a rotational piece as a good defensive guard. To seem him make a leap in his fifth season (sixth in the league total, but as mentioned he missed all of the 2018-2019 season) at age 25 is pretty unexpected. For comparison, we think of Giannis as a guy that entered the league as a long term project and he was an all-star in his fourth season when he was 22.
IMO, Murray signed a very reasonable deal that could have even been considered a slight overpay by the Spurs at the time and based on his production up until then.
Is Fox overpaid? Up until this year I would have said no. He was making the kind of leaps you want to see and had he come into this season and put up even better numbers we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's only because he regressed this season (or at least so far this season) that the max deal seems like it might be a mistake. At this point I'm not sure what concerns me the most - the decline in his game, the change in his attitude, or that he's continues to miss games and no one is sure why.
But the other problem with Fox's contract is based on the failure of the Kings to build a winning roster. I think most of us agree that on a contending team, heck just on a team that consistently makes the playoffs, you'd want Fox to likely be your second best player. But in failing to draft someone that would make Fox the #2 guy (or even 1B) he was forced into being the best player. With that being the case the Kings were going to need to max him out or trade him. They really didn't have any other options.
That's pretty much the framework I was proposing for a Fox deal. De'Aaron is six years younger, but other than that I don't see why New Orleans wouldn't go with McCollum if both were available for that asking price. If the goal really is to build a winner around Zion, CJ provides a lot more floor spacing.
I agree wins and losses don’t tell the whole story, I just think Fox is getting a raw deal with fans this season. I’ll even admit to being disappointed in this defense as I think that is really what is dragging his value down. His three point shooting sucks but a lot of good/great players are shooting poorly from 3 ( I consider anything below 33 percent unacceptable for a guard).
Well this year there’s no kawhi, no Zion, no Ben simmons, kyrie didn’t play most of the season, and pg13 and dame are injured. So without those injuries, Murray probably wouldn’t have made it or with all those absences last year, fox might have made it. And this discussion probably wouldn’t be happening. Not all allstar appearance are equal so to discount fox cuz he isn’t an allstar isn’t that great of an argument.
A bigger point IMO is most players are building blocks, not game changers. There are maybe 10-15 players or less that are franchise altering. Unfortunately, those in one or two or even three tiers below are paid at a top tier level. Teams are left to either pay up or bleed talent. The only contracts that are real value are max for the Lebrons, giannis’ Currys, Durants, rookie deals, and those early contracts before players reach their primes.
And do you understand that this is why wasting a rookie contract and then misusing players you paid up for is bad, bad, bad? Fox had George Hill level guys in front of him, or in his way from day 1. Just like Bagley had Holmes, Dedmon, etc. Not because the young guys weren't good enough, but because the KANGZ tried to win while developing. If the players you sign get in the way of said young talent that's not good and you will lose value. Fox didn't even sign a super max so there's that.
verrrrry interesting. You pull the trigger if this is all it takes. Which might honestly be the case if some of these reports are to be believed that sellers are getting squeezed on value. Or if Portland keeps selling off at pennies on the dollar.
Fox-Hali-Sabonis would be one of the more talented offensive trios in the NBA. Find the right defensive pieces and that's a top 4-5 team in the west potential
It may be more the volume of posts than number of posters, but those who are more critical of Fox's game seem just as likely, if not more so, to flood the board with their perceived truths as those who strongly support Fox as a King. How about this: Fox is great at slashing and finishing at the rim, he knows his calling card is scoring, but, like most players, comes with considerable team building challenges. Like all of us, he has been let down by the Kings coaching and front office.