Michael Porter Jr

[funkykingston]

Lebron weighed 20 lbs more than Porter in his rookie year. I don't know where you're getting 50 lbs from? From Where? So Lebron weighed 240 as a rookie and Porter is currently 190. Please. Porter is listed at 215 right now.

A better comparison is Klay Thompson. Klay was 10 lbs lighter than Porter his rookie year. He has put on about 10 lbs of Muscle since he's been int he NBA. Porter can easily put on another 10 lbs if he hits the gym. He would still be bigger than Klay.

I'm not really sure why you're having such a strong reaction to what I said but to clarify I'm not comparing them as rookies, I'm talking about LBJ of today who plays a lot of minutes at the 4.

At his peak weight LeBron James was between 270-275 lbs* which is 55 - 60 lbs over Porter. These days I'd guess he's closer to 255 lbs which is still 40+ lbs more MPJ.

As a rookie of course he was lighter. He also didn't play PF or post up nearly as often. My point is that Porter isn't physically ready to play PF primarily. He's got a very underdeveloped lower body and is easily pushed off of spots making him unable to guard the post or hold position to rebound.

And I'm not quite sure why you're using Klay Thompson as an example. He almost exclusively plays SG. Coming into the league 10 lbs heavier than Klay isn't a convincing argument that Porter is a PF.

*https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lebron-james-gained-pounds-game-report-article-1.3884234?outputType=amp

 

[Entity]

LeBron also has 50 lbs on Porter Jr while being 2" shorter.

Until MPJ gains strength (especially in his lower body) and learns to rebound at a higher rate he's a tall SF who can be a small ball PF when the matchups allow.

Lebron hasn’t been 6’8 since high school. If he is 6’8 Kevin love is also. But yeah the weight is big difference. Porter couldn’t add 50 maybe 20

 

[Sac.Kings]

I'm not really sure why you're having such a strong reaction to what I said but to clarify I'm not comparing them as rookies, I'm talking about LBJ of today who plays a lot of minutes at the 4.

At his peak weight LeBron James was between 270-275 lbs* which is 55 - 60 lbs over Porter. These days I'd guess he's closer to 255 lbs which is still 40+ lbs more MPJ.

As a rookie of course he was lighter. He also didn't play PF or post up nearly as often. My point is that Porter isn't physically ready to play PF primarily. He's got a very underdeveloped lower body and is easily pushed off of spots making him unable to guard the post or hold position to rebound.

And I'm not quite sure why you're using Klay Thompson as an example. He almost exclusively plays SG. Coming into the league 10 lbs heavier than Klay isn't a convincing argument that Porter is a PF.

*https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lebron-james-gained-pounds-game-report-article-1.3884234?outputType=amp

LeBron James 275? Heavier than Cousins? Come on man.

 

[roasthawg]

The obvious physical comparison for Porter is Durant. Very similar body type

 

[Entity]

LeBron James 275? Heavier than Cousins? Come on man.

Side by side they are about same size height and body. Lebron has more muscle which in turn means more weight. I don’t know about exact numbers but I could see him weighing same as Cuz

 

[Sac.Kings]

The obvious physical comparison for Porter is Durant. Very similar body type

True, but he's definitely not as quick. He seems to be a little more broad shouldered to me so maybe in time he could really use that to his advantage

 

[Sac.Kings]

Side by side they are about same size height and body. Lebron has more muscle which in turn means more weight. I don’t know about exact numbers but I could see him weighing same as Cuz

I doubt he's near 275. As he's aging he's going to look at getting lighter not heavier

 

[funkykingston]

I doubt he's near 275. As he's aging he's going to look at getting lighter not heavier

If you read the article I linked to it states that he was at least 271 lbs. Remember, LeBron with the Heat was a big dude and it was newsworthy when he noticeably dropped weight a couple summers ago.

Also, Boogie weighed 292 at the Combine. Even though he's slimmed down by trimming fat, he's also gained muscle so I doubt that he's 20 lbs lighter today than when he was 19 and entering the league.

 

[miltonap]

I just watched some MPJ highlights granted that does not mean much but man what stood out to me most was his atrocious ball handling. Just not smooth at all. Weak frame as well. Decent looking shot though. Maybe I need to watch more ?

 

[King Baller]

Lebron hasn’t been 6’8 since high school. If he is 6’8 Kevin love is also. But yeah the weight is big difference. Porter couldn’t add 50 maybe 20

Funny you mention this. In one of the post game interviews Bron was seated next to Love and Bron looked much bigger than Love. Lebron has built his upper body to massive size.

 

[ParniValjak]

I see a lot of people are suggesting down to #3 and pick up another asset if we are drafting Porter Jr. Question is why would Atlanta do it? If I am the Hawks, I have no interest to trading to #2. Maybe if the Kings were going to take Bagley and he was MY GUY! However, if I am happy with either of the two players that I could get at 3 (which is probably most likely) then there is zero interest to trade up one spot to get someone.

Let's face it, Atlanta are more of a rebuilding project that we are. At least we have some young pieces to move forward with. They have about 1, maybe two complementary young players who are more role players. They need talent. They are not going to turn this around in a season. They are at the phase where we were two summers ago with accumulating multiple first round picks and drafting young players. For Hawks whether its pick 2 or 3 this year is most likely irrelevant given that they will be back there in the same spot again. It doesn't mean that they don't want to draft who they thing is the next superstar but given the reported depth of the draft, there is about half a dozen of good prospects to choose from.

There is a bit more urgency on the Kings here because we don't get our pick next year so it is in our best interest to hit the home run with this pick and go FA hunting this year to improve as much as possible next season.

 

[gunks]

I see a lot of people are suggesting down to #3 and pick up another asset if we are drafting Porter Jr. Question is why would Atlanta do it? If I am the Hawks, I have no interest to trading to #2. Maybe if the Kings were going to take Bagley and he was MY GUY! However, if I am happy with either of the two players that I could get at 3 (which is probably most likely) then there is zero interest to trade up one spot to get someone.

Let's face it, Atlanta are more of a rebuilding project that we are. At least we have some young pieces to move forward with. They have about 1, maybe two complementary young players who are more role players. They need talent. They are not going to turn this around in a season. They are at the phase where we were two summers ago with accumulating multiple first round picks and drafting young players. For Hawks whether its pick 2 or 3 this year is most likely irrelevant given that they will be back there in the same spot again. It doesn't mean that they don't want to draft who they thing is the next superstar but given the reported depth of the draft, there is about half a dozen of good prospects to choose from.

There is a bit more urgency on the Kings here because we don't get our pick next year so it is in our best interest to hit the home run with this pick and go FA hunting this year to improve as much as possible next season.

Good point!

Maybe we trade down further than 3 for Porter Jr? Or maybe Vlade picks him at 2 and we can all get the pitchforks!

I really hope we end up with Doncic, Ayton, or Bagley. I'm willing to to be optimistic about Bamba and JJJ if one of them is our guy. Porter Jr? I dunno....I'm really not a fan. Seems like all he is good at is shooting over smaller players. Don't we already have that one trick pony in Skal?

 

[Joshoua]

I just watched some MPJ highlights granted that does not mean much but man what stood out to me most was his atrocious ball handling. Just not smooth at all. Weak frame as well. Decent looking shot though. Maybe I need to watch more ?

No you nailed the scouting report

 

[ParniValjak]

Good point!

Maybe we trade down further than 3 for Porter Jr? Or maybe Vlade picks him at 2 and we can all get the pitchforks!

I really hope we end up with Doncic, Ayton, or Bagley. I'm willing to to be optimistic about Bamba and JJJ if one of them is our guy. Porter Jr? I dunno....I'm really not a fan. Seems like all he is good at is shooting over smaller players. Don't we already have that one trick pony in Skal?

I would not be surprised if MPJ raises up the draft boards closer to the draft. I can't see how he falls out of the top 5 or 6 picks. If his back checks out he is not going to slide far and could end up a top 3 pick depending on how he goes in workouts.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I just watched some MPJ highlights granted that does not mean much but man what stood out to me most was his atrocious ball handling. Just not smooth at all. Weak frame as well. Decent looking shot though. Maybe I need to watch more ?

 

[miltonap]

Yea, I don't see it. He looks super raw to me. I could maybe see him getting there eventually but I feel like that would be a ways to go. I don't think I could justify taking him over an Ayton, Doncic, or JJJ.

 

[kingsboi]

I don't get posters on here, they come and bash Bamba for being a project when Porter is the same thing...all we have to go on is some high school highlight reel and a couple of games in college where he shouldn't of even come back to play in based on the injury he had. If Bamba is such a project and will take some time to develop, do we really think Porter will be any different?

 

[Joshoua]

I don't get posters on here, they come and bash Bamba for being a project when Porter is the same thing...all we have to go on is some high school highlight reel and a couple of games in college where he shouldn't of even come back to play in based on the injury he had. If Bamba is such a project and will take some time to develop, do we really think Porter will be any different?

I agree but I’d take porter over Bamba but that’s only if I had to choose between them two.

Don’t get the Bamba y’all drafting a big ego can do anything offensively in the top 5 is a total failure. I don’t care if Bamba develops a shot teams could put a SG on him and he wouldn’t punish him. And on his defense the 3point shot has diminished rim protection a little trans will go small and kill us from the perimeter and have Bamba running in circles

 

[roasthawg]

I don't get posters on here, they come and bash Bamba for being a project when Porter is the same thing...all we have to go on is some high school highlight reel and a couple of games in college where he shouldn't of even come back to play in based on the injury he had. If Bamba is such a project and will take some time to develop, do we really think Porter will be any different?

I like Bamba a lot but why do you think mpj is a project? Assuming he's healthy he should be able to score day one.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Porter isn't my first choice, but scoring is the last thing I'm worried about for him.

 

[kingsboi]

I like Bamba a lot but why do you think mpj is a project? Assuming he's healthy he should be able to score day one.

because we have no college tape to go by and further evaluate him. Just because he dominated high school doesn't mean that would translate to College, it's hard to have a read on him right now. He isn't a scorer from day one as you seem to believe, I'll make a wager on that too if you'd like. Bamba at least has a full year in Texas so scouts know what he has and what you can do with his tools which is unlimited.

 

[gunks]

Tatum's performance tonight against Lebron makes me think we're definitely going to go after Porter Jr.

We used to chase the next Curry, now we're going to chase the next Tatum.

TPA instead of BPA. Trendiest player available!

 

[roasthawg]

because we have no college tape to go by and further evaluate him. Just because he dominated high school doesn't mean that would translate to College, it's hard to have a read on him right now. He isn't a scorer from day one as you seem to believe, I'll make a wager on that too if you'd like. Bamba at least has a full year in Texas so scouts know what he has and what you can do with his tools which is unlimited.

Fair enough. Doesn't mean he's a project though, just means he's gonna be tougher to evaluate. Workouts will be critical.

I like Bamba too, this isn't a Porter vs Bamba for me. They're both in the six player group that I'm focused on for the Kings this year.

 

[MizzouKing]

The obvious physical comparison for Porter is Durant. Very similar body type

Another one I've heard a lot is a young Dirk Nowinski.

 

[206Fan]

because we have no college tape to go by and further evaluate him. Just because he dominated high school doesn't mean that would translate to College, it's hard to have a read on him right now. He isn't a scorer from day one as you seem to believe, I'll make a wager on that too if you'd like. Bamba at least has a full year in Texas so scouts know what he has and what you can do with his tools which is unlimited.

We have the Nike Hoop Summit, McDonald's All-American game. All of which happened last year before his surgery. Going further back, we have his U-18 games, the games he played alongisde Fultz, Bamba, Young, and more.

It's not like we don't know what Porter Jr is capable of, we have actual film of him at high level competitions where he faced all the top guys in this year's class. The guy you described sounds more like Harry Giles who some delusional fans have already crowned as our franchise savior.

There's plenty of tape on MPJ. Yes there's no college tape except from the 2 games he came back from injury, but there is plenty of tape on him playing at high level competitions.

 

[BigVirg]

More and more i like the idea of MPJ plus treats for the 2nd. Im not a fan of Ayton. I think he has as much passion for the game as willie. Doncic is hard to evaluate because his skill set and feel is fantastic but his apparent slow/heavy footedness and stiffness make me conserned about how big his upside is.

GladI'm not the only one that is worried about that! great post!

 

[BigVirg]

No you nailed the scouting report

No he didn't. I guarantee it

 

[206Fan]

U-18 vs. Brazil

U-18 highlights

Nike-Hoop Summit, FULL Offense and Defense

McDonalds All-American Game

Him dominating in McDonald's All-American practices

Highlights of the Missouri vs. Kansas game for Hurricane relief, includes a lot of MPJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAX-Hy8dIIg

 

[sactowndog]

because we have no college tape to go by and further evaluate him. Just because he dominated high school doesn't mean that would translate to College, it's hard to have a read on him right now. He isn't a scorer from day one as you seem to believe, I'll make a wager on that too if you'd like. Bamba at least has a full year in Texas so scouts know what he has and what you can do with his tools which is unlimited.

Okay please explain this logic....

Statement 1: we have no college tape to go by and evaluate him.

Statement 2: he isn’t a scorer from day 1 as you seem to believe

Without statement 1 on what basis can you make statement 2?

 

[206Fan]

I've seen a lot of misinformation about MPJ scattered all over across Bagley and Doncic threads. MPJ is one of the most scouted players ever. He's not an unknown or someone who solely just dominated on 5'9 highschoolers.

He won MVP of the McDonald's All-American game. You want to know who participated in that event? DeAndre Ayton, Jaren Jackson Jr, Mo Bamba, Trae Young, Wendall Carter Jr, Collin Sexton, Kevin Knox, Gary Trent Jr, Troy Brown Jr, Lonnie Walker, Mitchell Robinson, Trevon Duval, and more. All of whom are projected to be drafted in the 1st round this year.