Kings trade JT, Nik and Landry to Sixers (renamed)

#31
We've had a lot of players with "attitude problems" who did fine while here. If we sign him, he deserves a clean slate and a chance to prove himself - not only to us but to the guys on the team like Rudy and Boogie. I don't think he'd disappoint.
So you're insinuating attitude problems shouldn't be considered at all when signing players? Attitude problems should always be a factor when signing a player. Should it be the only factor? No, but it's something to keep in mind. Saying that we've had people succeed here with attitude problems doesn't mean you just overlook them. That's a good way to get yourself into trouble.
 

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#32
As far as the 3 pt shooter goes. It's not as if defenders just leave Ben Mac alone out there. Same with rondo and gay. It's one thing to say the floor won't be spread because of 3pt% its another to just leave them unguarded. Spacing will be fine.
 
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#33
Actually, yeah. Collison is on a very affordable contract. Who knows how much Rondo is going to cost.

You're also overlooking the fact of fit vs. talent. Collison is a very good fit with our current core which sometimes trumps talent (helps bring out the best in your team). And in this case, I'm not even sure Rondo has more talent than Collison considering how he has playing lately and his injury. Top it off with attitude problems and you could be looking at a downgrade.
Collison is a back up point guard. This team will not make the playoffs with Collison starting. He would be a great fit off the bench, and Rondo would be the perfect PG to orchestrate the starting unit
 

kingsboi

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#34
While it seems the Kings have strong interest in Rondo....I'd like to know how they plan on spacing the floor? you know...I figured Karl likes that type of spacing with his players.
 
#35
While it seems the Kings have strong interest in Rondo....I'd like to know how they plan on spacing the floor? you know...I figured Karl likes that type of spacing with his players.
It all depends on the FO and their game plan. If Rudy is going to the 4 spot (I disagree with this), then we have to get a new and good shooting SF from somewhere. If Cousins and WCS start, then we need to get a new SG because Ben is not it, and Nik is even further away from helping than Ben.
 
#38
Collison is a back up point guard. This team will not make the playoffs with Collison starting. He would be a great fit off the bench, and Rondo would be the perfect PG to orchestrate the starting unit
Disagree. Collison was a part of the 5th strongest lineup last year. Most people preferred if we had upgrades at PF and SG last year, so with that in mind, it's very, very, very hard to sit there and say the third best player on the 5th strongest lineup in the league is a back up point guard. You have no ground to stand on, and you've given nothing to support your claim that "we will not make the playoffs with Collison starting." Is it just a hunch you have or is there some analysis behind it?

Are we talking about past or present day Rondo? I could tell you right now that I don't even think Rondo at his peak was a "perfect" fit for our starting lineup. Can he spread the floor? No, he can't. Therefore, your "perfect" claim holds no validity. That was easy...

Look, I actually really liked Rondo's game back in the day when he was playing good basketball. A lot of the people here see the name "Rondo" and immediately get excited because they think of the all-star PG who won a championship. He has not been that caliber of player. Sure, you can take the risk that he becomes that player again, but you're putting your franchises future (by risking Cousins leaving) in jeopardy. I really only think this can go very good or very bad, and at this point, we should be limiting that risk (similar to what we did by drafting a guy like Cauley-Stein).

This team before Malone was let go was playing stellar basketball. That same core is still in tact. There's no need to make brash decisions. Sign some veterans, improve the bench depth, & draft WCS (oh wait! we did that already!). There's no need to take a gamble on a player who could be boom or bust with the majority of our cap space (I'm assuming) who if doesn't pan out can also single-handedly destroy our team chemistry if he gets upset.

If we do sign him, I'm going to cheer for him as much as I can to become his old self and help us get to the playoffs, but from a logical standpoint, I would not like the signing.
 
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rainmaker

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#39
We've had a lot of players with "attitude problems" who did fine while here. If we sign him, he deserves a clean slate and a chance to prove himself - not only to us but to the guys on the team like Rudy and Boogie. I don't think he'd disappoint.
I thought you didn't want Rondo?

As for Lin, only as a backup and I get the impression with Lin and Stuckey both mentioned as targets, DC is going to be offered in trade rumors. I think we're going to see what a Nik/DC or Ben/DC combo might fetch.
 
#40
Ben's overall FG % was better than Afflalo's and Danny Greens and basically on par with Stuckey and Matthews. If you make shots, no matter where on the floor, teams have to account for you and it creates spacing. The spacing will be fine.
 
#41
Disagree. Collison was a part of the 5th strongest lineup last year. Most people preferred if we had upgrades at PF and SG last year, so with that in mind, it's very, very, very hard to sit there and say the third best player on the 5th strongest lineup in the league is a back up point guard. You have no ground to stand on, and you've given "nothing to support your claim that we will not make the playoffs with Collison starting." Is it just a hunch you have or is there some analysis behind it?

Are we talking about past or present day Rondo? I could tell you right now that I don't even think Rondo at his peak was a "perfect" fit for our starting lineup. Can he spread the floor? No, he can't. Therefore, you're "perfect" claim holds no validity. That was easy...

Look, I actually really liked Rondo's game back in the day when he was playing good basketball. A lot of the people here see the name "Rondo" and immediately get excited because they think of the all-star PG who won a championship. He has not been that caliber of player. Sure, you can take the risk that he becomes that player again, but you're putting your franchises future (by risking Cousins leaving) in jeopardy. I really only think this can go very good or very bad, and at this point, we should be limiting that risk (similar to what we did by drafting a guy like Cauley-Stein).

This team before Malone was playing stellar basketball. That same core is still in tact. There's no need to make brash decisions. Sign some veterans, improve the bench depth, & draft WCS (oh wait! we did that already!). There's no need to take a gamble on a player who could be boom or bust with the majority of our cap space (I'm assuming) who if doesn't pan out can also single-handedly destroy our team chemistry if he gets upset.

If we do sign him, I'm going to cheer for him as much as I can to become his old self and help us get to the playoffs, but from a logical standpoint, I would not like the signing.
Our biggest weakness last season was our bench. Any strides the starting unit made were quickly lost when the bench played. If Collison can lead the second unit we can improve drastically from last season. Plus he will probably be on the floor at the end of games anyways. If we can have a bench unit of Collison, Stauskas, Casspi, JT, WCS. Thats a lot better than what we saw last season.
 
#42
Our biggest weakness last season was our bench. Any strides the starting unit made were quickly lost when the bench played. If Collison can lead the second unit we can improve drastically from last season. Plus he will probably be on the floor at the end of games anyways. If we can have a bench unit of Collison, Stauskas, Casspi, JT, WCS. Thats a lot better than what we saw last season.
I'm not denying that, but let's not risk our starting unit being worse for the sake of our bench being better.
 
#45
We're actually set up ok in terms of taking up the Rondo attitude business. Rudy is a close friend and DMC views Rondo as the best PG in the league. This was way before the playoff collapse, where Rondo basically did everything but punt the basketball into the stands. Still, if he didn't do that we wouldn't be sniffing him.
 
#46
We're actually set up ok in terms of taking up the Rondo attitude business. Rudy is a close friend and DMC views Rondo as the best PG in the league. This was way before the playoff collapse, where Rondo basically did everything but punt the basketball into the stands. Still, if he didn't do that we wouldn't be sniffing him.
After that performance, why not go ahead and punt that ball.
 

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#48
So you're insinuating attitude problems shouldn't be considered at all when signing players? Attitude problems should always be a factor when signing a player. Should it be the only factor? No, but it's something to keep in mind. Saying that we've had people succeed here with attitude problems doesn't mean you just overlook them. That's a good way to get yourself into trouble.
I didn't insinuate anything. I said "IF WE SIGN HIM, he deserves a clean slate." It's the front office's job to assess his attitude. If they determine it's worth the risk, we Kings fans owe him a chance before we plaster him with a label from somewhere else.
 

VF21

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#49
I thought you didn't want Rondo?

As for Lin, only as a backup and I get the impression with Lin and Stuckey both mentioned as targets, DC is going to be offered in trade rumors. I think we're going to see what a Nik/DC or Ben/DC combo might fetch.
I'm not totally convinced he's the right fit, but I trust that Vlade knows a lot more about it than I do and will make the right decision.
 

Entity

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#50
While it seems the Kings have strong interest in Rondo....I'd like to know how they plan on spacing the floor? you know...I figured Karl likes that type of spacing with his players.
Rudy gay and Ben McLemore had better 3pt% than players like dragic, igudala, khwai Leonard, Trevor Aliza, Damien lillard, Wilson chandler, afflalo, lebron james, ect... The list goes on of players that have been mentioned as floor spacers yet we have two and I don't believe Ben is finished getting that shot locked in
 
#56
And in this case, I'm not even sure Rondo has more talent than Collison considering how he has playing lately and his injury. Top it off with attitude problems and you could be looking at a downgrade.
Yeah, let us not get Rondo because he is blah, blah, blah. He might end-up a downgrade for us.

But....

The problem is who can we get (at Rondo's level of talent)?

Nobody wants to be in Sacramento (if some fans are right). We need to gamble like we did on Rudy.
 
#58
Rudy gay and Ben McLemore had better 3pt% than players like dragic, igudala, khwai Leonard, Trevor Aliza, Damien lillard, Wilson chandler, afflalo, lebron james, ect... The list goes on of players that have been mentioned as floor spacers yet we have two and I don't believe Ben is finished getting that shot locked in
Thank you. You've been on fire today with your posts. Unfortunately people really don't want to hear the facts about the legitimacy of our starting 5. Way too simplistic to say that having Matthews or whatever other flavor of the month SG, who hits only a couple more 3 pointers per 100 attempts, makes us a contender.

I've been saying for months that PF and PG are a bigger need than SG for this team. Low and behold we draft a PF and are searching for a PG. Scoring is not a problem. Will only get easier with a legit offensive mind in Karl. We need to be able to maintain momentum when DMC and Gay come out of the game. We need a bench that can defend and drop a few points when our star is on the bench. Spacing is not the issue.
 
#59
Can the Kings possibly get TWO of their targets? Monta + Rondo? Green + Rondo? Any chance to engage Dallas on a S&T so we hang onto a little more cap room?