Who has played their last game as a King?

Who has played their last game as a King?

  • Evans

    Votes: 12 22.2%
  • Jimmer

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • JT

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • Greene

    Votes: 43 79.6%
  • Hayes

    Votes: 8 14.8%

  • Total voters
    54
#2
Unfortunately possibly Donte and Reke. I will be even more ashamed of this joke of a franchise if they lose Reke. Of course we will hang onto Stump Hayes, and hopefully we keep JT. But right now I dont care because of who owns this franchise because theyll keep running it into the ground
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#3
Consider:

Since the All Star break Tyreke Evans has shot .494 from the field. That's 6th among all guards behind only Nash, Parker, Harden, Afflalo and Lawson. When he took over for Thornotn at SG at the end of the season he shot 34-50 (68%) for the final four games of the season. Trading Tyreke Evans at this point is like playing Russian Roulette with 3 or 4 bullets instead of one.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#4
I don't understand. Do you mean someone will be traded. Hayes has a 4 year contract. Evans has a contract. The two without contracts are JT and Greene. I can see Greene leaving but not JT.
 
#5
I don't understand. Do you mean someone will be traded. Hayes has a 4 year contract. Evans has a contract. The two without contracts are JT and Greene. I can see Greene leaving but not JT.
Yes trade scenarios. I don't even know what to say about Salmons.
 
#6
I think Greene will be gone.

It's a numbers thing right now. Assuming Greene is gone and JT is back, we'll have 12 players under contract for next season. Add in two rookies and you have 14. If we keep Twill around that's 15.

We don't have a ton of roster spots open for FA's either, So I expect some trades/roster movement.
 
#7
Consider:

Since the All Star break Tyreke Evans has shot .494 from the field. That's 6th among all guards behind only Nash, Parker, Harden, Afflalo and Lawson. When he took over for Thornotn at SG at the end of the season he shot 34-50 (68%) for the final four games of the season. Trading Tyreke Evans at this point is like playing Russian Roulette with 3 or 4 bullets instead of one.
at this point, it should be clear as day to everyone paying attention that tyreke should be playing one of either guard positions, alongside another guard who can help with ball handling and passing duties (thomas or otherwise), while thornton comes off the bench to provide scoring in an atrociously thin second unit. i like terrence williams as a starting SF in this scenario, because he's a very willing passer, a solid defender, and exceedingly athletic. or, if travis outlaw could magically provide even half the production of his miracle game on a nightly basis, he'd work as a starting SF, as well. he had success in portland coming off the bench, and if injury free, i don't see why he couldn't graduate to a more compelling role. he's got the length, athleticism, and talent to be a roleplayer of considerable value, and in an offense constructed around cousins and evans ability to dominate the paint, roleplayers are all you need everywhere else...

and this is all before we consider a draft pick or any potential (but unlikely) signings or trades. so, truthfully, there's already a lot here, provided the kings coaching staff attempts to effectively utilize what's in front of them (and if they ever decide to commit to the defensive side of the ball). that said, trading tyreke would be massive step(s) backwards, because no collection of players you'd receive in return for evans would yield the star-level talent necessary to pair with cousins and build a winner. and, short of drafting anthony davis, you're not gonna find a draft pick able to contribute quickly enough to convince cousins that staying in sacramento is worth the time invested to retool this rebuild because ownership/management/coaching/whatever decided to quit on evans too soon...
 
#9
Greene is gone, hasn't shown anything. All others will most likely be back. I hope we don't overpay for JT though
if the kings want to retain JT, they'll have to overpay him. the question is just how much will they overpay him? steady, quality big men who score efficiently, hustle hard, and play with passion are hard to come by in the modern nba. damn near every team is searching for one, and damn near every team without one will overpay to get one. the kings will have significant competition for thompson's services. i guarantee it...
 

Warhawk

The cake is a lie.
Staff member
#10
at this point, it should be clear as day to everyone paying attention that tyreke should be playing one of either guard positions, alongside another guard who can help with ball handling and passing duties (thomas or otherwise), while thornton comes off the bench to provide scoring in an atrociously thin second unit. i like terrence williams as a starting SF in this scenario, because he's a very willing passer, a solid defender, and exceedingly athletic. or, if travis outlaw could magically provide even half the production of his miracle game on a nightly basis, he'd work as a starting SF, as well. he had success in portland coming off the bench, and if injury free, i don't see why he couldn't graduate to a more compelling role. he's got the length, athleticism, and talent to be a roleplayer of considerable value, and in an offense constructed around cousins and evans ability to dominate the paint, roleplayers are all you need everywhere else...

and this is all before we consider a draft pick or any potential (but unlikely) signings or trades. so, truthfully, there's already a lot here, provided the kings coaching staff attempts to effectively utilize what's in front of them (and if they ever decide to commit to the defensive side of the ball). that said, trading tyreke would be massive step(s) backwards, because no collection of players you'd receive in return for evans would yield the star-level talent necessary to pair with cousins and build a winner. and, short of drafting anthony davis, you're not gonna find a draft pick able to contribute quickly enough to convince cousins that staying in sacramento is worth the time invested to retool this rebuild because ownership/management/coaching/whatever decided to quit on evans too soon...
You REALLY need to post more often. It saves me a lot of typing.
 
#11
You REALLY need to post more often. It saves me a lot of typing.
hah. i appreciate the sentiment. i try to post when i have time. unfortunately, i'm coming up on the final three weeks of my last semester of course work as a graduate student. i also teach part time, so it all amounts to a very weighty load that dominates my life, at the moment. i watched the kings stomp the lakers last night, but it was mostly background noise while i slaved away at one of two 20-page seminar papers that i have to complete before may 18...

:(

i'm sure i'll be actively involved in TDOS talk, though, and next semester will be completely devoted to an independent study and work on my thesis, so my schedule will be more flexible, because i won't have classes to go to or classes to teach. it will be nice to see my life normalize a bit, and hopefully it will be nice to see the kings normalize a bit, as well. i'm not as optimistic as i'd like to be, but we'll see what the offseason holds...
 
#12
if the kings want to retain JT, they'll have to overpay him. the question is just how much will they overpay him? steady, quality big men who score efficiently, hustle hard, and play with passion are hard to come by in the modern nba. damn near every team is searching for one, and damn near every team without one will overpay to get one. the kings will have significant competition for thompson's services. i guarantee it...
There is an easy way not to overpay. Make the qualifying offer and go tell JT and his agent to get a deal elsewhere and we match it. Houston does this regularly with a recent example being Lowry. It's not the best way to build loyalty but for middle tier guys it's the best way to not overpay. Think Garcia would have gotten what he did if we handled his extension that way? No way.
 
#14
There is an easy way not to overpay. Make the qualifying offer and go tell JT and his agent to get a deal elsewhere and we match it. Houston does this regularly with a recent example being Lowry. It's not the best way to build loyalty but for middle tier guys it's the best way to not overpay. Think Garcia would have gotten what he did if we handled his extension that way? No way.
Loyalty is overrated. This is exactly what we should do. JT is a great backup big. Plays decent defense, plays within himself on offense. Good team/character guy. Works hard. I doubt anyone is going to over pay him but we should get keep him as cheaply as possible.
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#15
Greene. Maybe he'll get to ride the bench on a contender. No reason to resign him here. Honeycutt can be our next raw, overhyped SF!

I think all the Reke trade talk is just that, talk. Doubt GP is putting him on the block, he's just lost untouchable status (which is dumb in and of itself), but if a good deal comes by, trigger will be pulled. Will a good deal come by? Doubtful. Now that Smart is saying he's going to put Reke back at the guard position, he should have a big year next season (he probably could have had a big year this season).

JT MIGHT get a better offer elsewhere and jump ship, and good for him if it comes to that. Hopefully he's a King next year though. Us getting rid of JJ was a sign that we want to commit to JT, but if he gets a huge offer, dont think Magoofs are gonna let MaPetrie match.

Someone I'd personally like to see shipped off (in a good trade) is MT. He has value, and is a horrible fit here. Maybe come draft day he helps us get MKG, or a good vet? I'd be ecstatic. Doubtful that goes down though.
 
#17
Probabilities of who will be gone:

ZZZZZZZ pshn80 comments we keep em all unless we ger somebody

Greene - 99.9% AAAA most likely
Tyeke - 51% AAAA no chance in hell
Thornton - 50% AAA likely to go
Salmons - 50% AAAA less likely to go if Thornton does
Jimmer - 10% AA stays
JT - 5% AAAA no chance but greater than Tyreke
Hayes - 5% AAAA no unless we get a really decent biggee
In my book anyone going is strictly situational, if we get someone we want them an appropriate player will go. You're better off with players (buns) you know than ones you don't. We pay Petrie big money and he will earn it.
 
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#19
There is an easy way not to overpay. Make the qualifying offer and go tell JT and his agent to get a deal elsewhere and we match it. Houston does this regularly with a recent example being Lowry. It's not the best way to build loyalty but for middle tier guys it's the best way to not overpay. Think Garcia would have gotten what he did if we handled his extension that way? No way.
Loyalty is overrated. This is exactly what we should do. JT is a great backup big. Plays decent defense, plays within himself on offense. Good team/character guy. Works hard. I doubt anyone is going to over pay him but we should get keep him as cheaply as possible.
You can bybass the loyalty thing if you just talk with your players and explain to them that this is what you want to do. You ask them if they are ok with that process. You just say: "we want to keep you here very, very much, and we're willing to pay whatever anybody else in the league is willing to pay you to do so. What we'd like to do is... ...would you be willing to go about it like that?"

Can even throw in a small 50k signing bonus (revealed later, of course) as a thank you for going through that process. A free 50k. Not hard, people, not hard to be a GM. The more I think about it, the new Kings GM(s) should be a team of me and Brick.

Why we didn't do this with Garcia lord only knows.
 
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#20
JT is the starting PF. The Kings need to match any offer unless they sign a Free Agent PF who is better.

Tyreke should just be penciled in at the 2 and be asked to "shoot the ball until your hands bleed" this summer. Thornton should lead the second unit or if he cannot deal with that be traded. IT is gonna start unless the Kings land a starting caliber PG. But lets just dream and say Nash ends up finishing his career in Sacto. Then IT and Thornton become part of the best guard duo coming off the bench in the NBA!! Hey I can dream:)

Jimmer and Hayes most likely return. In the summer Jimmer needs to work out with top level NBA players. Hayes needs to get in better shape and shed a few pounds.

Donte is the one most likely gone. I hope he ends up on a contender in the East where he can watch and hone his craft.

YMMV:)

KB
 
#21
If JT gets any offers around the MLE they need to let him go. This team won't fall flat without him, it would certainly miss his presence, but certainly not fall flat.

I think all 3 of Evans, JT, and Greene are gone.
 

Capt. Factorial

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Staff member
#23
If JT gets any offers around the MLE they need to let him go. This team won't fall flat without him, it would certainly miss his presence, but certainly not fall flat.
I disagree with that one. The MLE is $5M or thereabouts. JT is totally and completely worth that, and mind you, is the second-best of only 4 big men on our roster. I wouldn't cry if we found a way to make JT our third big, but right now, he's a starter and it's not even a question. I expect he'll get something closer to $6-7M when all is said and done, and I think that's completely fair.
 
#24
I disagree with that one. The MLE is $5M or thereabouts. JT is totally and completely worth that, and mind you, is the second-best of only 4 big men on our roster. I wouldn't cry if we found a way to make JT our third big, but right now, he's a starter and it's not even a question. I expect he'll get something closer to $6-7M when all is said and done, and I think that's completely fair.
I expect him to get $10m+ offers.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#25
I disagree with that one. The MLE is $5M or thereabouts. JT is totally and completely worth that, and mind you, is the second-best of only 4 big men on our roster. I wouldn't cry if we found a way to make JT our third big, but right now, he's a starter and it's not even a question. I expect he'll get something closer to $6-7M when all is said and done, and I think that's completely fair.
Its when it pops above the MLE it starts to get dicey. But I don't know whether teams are going to throw that at him given our ability to match or not. At MLE level Jason is worth it, even as a thrid big. As I mentioend in the grades a couple of games ago, Jason is very muc inline with the third bigs of the championship contenders: Taj Gibson, Udonis Haslem, Nick Collison, any of the San Antonio guys. Given that he's also a good character guy, that's exactly a wqell fitting peice you want to just lock down, say that you have your #1 center and your 3rd big, and just go out and try to find the missing peice between them -- the #1PF/shotblocker that we lost with Dalembert.

We've got certain pieces here. Just identify them, clear the riffraf and go.

Pieces that will work, holes, and non-fitting fieces that could be moved;

C - Demarcus Cousins
PF - ?? (unknown shotblocking/defending/rebounding roleplayer)
3rd big - Jason thompson

SF -?? (unknown roleplayer, multiple ways to go according to other decisions (defender, shooter, creater))
backup SF - Terrence Williams

SG - Tyreke Evans*
PG - Isaiah Thomas*
6th - Marcus Thornton*

*Let's call that "variant 1". Variant 2= SG-Thornton, PG-Evans, 6th Thomas. Variant 3= SG-Evans, PG-Thomas 6th-unkown (Thornton traded for SF perhaps), Variant 4 - SG Evans, PG- traded for, 6th THomas, Variant 5- SG- traded for (defender) PG-Evans, 6th IT etc.

Of all the rest of the bench, the only guy with a clear role is:

Bench Keeper #1 - Francisco Garcia (vet leaderhip, can fill multipositons, shoot and roleplay)

Everybody else is highly expendable, with a few might as well keep thems (Honeycutt, Whiteside), a few we might be stuck with thems (Outlaw, Hayes, Salmons), and a Jimmer and Donte the first of whom I don't see a place for, but we probably keep jst because we always do. The second who I like and who could have a role as a deep bench stretch 4/5 for certain matchups, but who we probably let go. If not a single one of them returned, as long as we got the Top 8 right, with Cisco as a 9th, we'd be fine. Thornton is the wildcard. What we do with him (start him next to Evans, 6th man or trade) determines if we need a new 3rd backcourt guy as well as the best type of SF roleplayer. The 4th Marcus option, IT/Thornton backourt, while trading Tyreke, is of course the beginning of the little death scenario, and so I prefer to stay on the light side of things.

Leaves my core:
1) Demarcus Cousins
2 )unknown shotblocker
3) Jason Thompson
4) unknown roleplaying SF
5) Terrence Williams
6) Tyreke Evans
7) Isaiah Thomas
8) Marcus Thornton?? <--wildcard, maybe he is the guy, along with the draft pick, who fills our unknown roles above in trade)
9) Franciso Garcia
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#27
I expect him to get $10m+ offers.
You know, I doubt that. The thing about the bigs who get those offers is that its not just any big normally. Its DEFENSIVE bigs that there is such a market for. Mere rotation level bigs, but not defensive specialists, aren't that same level of hot commodity. I'm trying to think of anybody like that who actually got offered that big $10mil type money. His peers likely seem more like Collison money or Villanueva money or even Hayes money.
 
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#28
I do think Evans is desired and will be kept with enthusiasm and therefore Thornton is gone. He should have some value with others but I can't see us keeping him and starting Evans. Thornton's morale would be shot and it would be too much to expect of him. I think the Kings want Thompson. some of our others particularly Outlaw and Salmons are more likely keepers than strangers off the street. If I am right you can see how it might go. We won't have any trouble getting rid of those that will go because of acquisitions. We won't dump people because kingsfans.com doesn't like them. We'll see.
 
#29
You know, I doubt that. The thing about the bigs who get those offers is that its not just any big normally. Its DEFENSIVE bigs that there is such a market for. Mere rotation level bigs, but not defensive specialists, aren't that same level of hot commodity. I'm trying to think of anybody like that who actually got offered that big $10mil type money. His peers likely seem more like Collison money or Villanueva money or even Hayes money.
DeAndre Jordan 4 years $43 m. Yes he's 2 years younger, a little different player, but their stats are close. He's well above Collison as far as skill.

David West got 2 years $20m at 30 years old coming off an ACL tear.

JT is still just 25 and entering his prime.

It's also a weak big man FA market.

Garnett,
J. Oneil
Mahinmi
Amundunson
Cook
Kaman
Mohammed
Bass
Brand (eto)
Camby
Duncan
Okur

How many young entering their prime guys on that list?
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#30
DeAndre Jordan 4 years $43 m. Yes he's 2 years younger, a little different player, but their stats are close. He's well above Collison as far as skill.

David West got 2 years $20m at 30 years old coming off an ACL tear.
See, those examples are exactly what I mean though. DeAndre Jordan is that protypical defensive shotblocking big that has been very in demand and very expensive for decades. And West, whatever his knee issues, was considered a #1 post option/borderline All Star. Very skilled player, even if I thought he was overrated.

Jason on the other hand is just a rotation guy. Nobody is going to throw money at him to be their defensive stopper, nor to be their interior goto guy. he's a good soldi big, but he doesn't have that specialized skillset that is so rare teams will throw huge money at him. Nobody wants to have JT as their 2nd or 3rd highest paid guy.



Who knows, we'll see. I just highly doubt it based on the history of FA. Weak class of bigs may make a diffeence. But then again, new CBA might also hold things down a bit.