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He's just learning the high post.
You can see what a difference Rondo made finding him running the floor or for dunks.
I think part of the problem may be pairing him with Temple.
My only concern is his rebounding right now.
I wouldn't trade him unless we got someone on at least 3 year contract who we had big plans for.
You can see what a difference Rondo made finding him running the floor or for dunks.
I think part of the problem may be pairing him with Temple.
My only concern is his rebounding right now.
I wouldn't trade him unless we got someone on at least 3 year contract who we had big plans for.
I was never a fan. Last year he looked like he could be a decent rotation guy at best but nothing more...but i had my suspicions that he was merely some of Rajon Rondo's finest work and of course Karlball has been known to inflate stats. Even if he manages to reach the big 5 rebounds per game again...i'm not afraid to jump the gun and say we likely blew it last year. Kings drafted like a complete team that simply could use a big guy in the rotation. Like they were using a late first rounder...when a team like the Kings should have looked for more of a talent that could bud into potentially a star. They had to know they didn't have that in Willie. Even a guy like Mudiay...who is awful...likely still has decent trade value because there is still that raw talent..and hell, still that hope he can be a really good player in this league. Willie doesn't have a clue. The Derrick Williams haircut only rubs it in.
A little step foward for Willie. Joerger didn't give him some minutes for no reason. His mobility really helped us in the pick&roll defense departement. He did a nice job showing and recovering back to his man.
Yes his rebounding and offense is still horrible and most likely we won't groom him into a star, but that's mainly Vlade's fault and not Willies. Willie didn't force the Kings to draft him that high.
Same goes for this years rookies. While other rookies are already playing and actively contributing to their teams success, we have no confidence at all in our draft picks, despite being a team, which desperately needs more overall talent.
Baldwin is already contributing. Chriss is contributing. We as Kings once again hope for next year, when Bogdanovic might decide to become a King.
Yes his rebounding and offense is still horrible and most likely we won't groom him into a star, but that's mainly Vlade's fault and not Willies. Willie didn't force the Kings to draft him that high.
Same goes for this years rookies. While other rookies are already playing and actively contributing to their teams success, we have no confidence at all in our draft picks, despite being a team, which desperately needs more overall talent.
Baldwin is already contributing. Chriss is contributing. We as Kings once again hope for next year, when Bogdanovic might decide to become a King.
This guy was on my unreadable list going into the offseason...now not so much. I knew his rebounding and scoring were a bit suspect, but his versatility on the defensive end and ability to run the floor were supposed to make up for that..,well he's doing none of that so what the hell exactly is this guy bringing to the table??
I have never had an unreadable list but I will put WCS on my first one. 
He has little if any offense although last year I thought in 4 years or so he might have a little jump shot. His short jump shot is not bad but will never become serviceable without practice. He has never been much of a rebounder, That perplexes me but perhaps what is, is. What WCS is a 7 footer who can out run anyone else on the floor. Rondo liked that. He is also very quick. He is intellectually very intelligent although that may have nothing to do with BBIQ. There is no playbook that says how to use a guy like Willie. It has to be determined. Hopefully Collison knows how to hit a 7 ft wide receiver. Hopefully Joeger doesn't give up.
Let me go back to the idea that there has never been a player like WCS before. That means a lot of trial and error like last night. I doubt if he belongs in the high post which is where he is now. On the other hand, maybe that's where he belongs. Joeger has more problems than WCS so WCS is not a high priority. Let's give him the full 4 years Ben was given.
He has little if any offense although last year I thought in 4 years or so he might have a little jump shot. His short jump shot is not bad but will never become serviceable without practice. He has never been much of a rebounder, That perplexes me but perhaps what is, is. What WCS is a 7 footer who can out run anyone else on the floor. Rondo liked that. He is also very quick. He is intellectually very intelligent although that may have nothing to do with BBIQ. There is no playbook that says how to use a guy like Willie. It has to be determined. Hopefully Collison knows how to hit a 7 ft wide receiver. Hopefully Joeger doesn't give up.Let me go back to the idea that there has never been a player like WCS before. That means a lot of trial and error like last night. I doubt if he belongs in the high post which is where he is now. On the other hand, maybe that's where he belongs. Joeger has more problems than WCS so WCS is not a high priority. Let's give him the full 4 years Ben was given.
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I think the problem is that WCS got used to being used as a hybrid defender, who roams the whole floor, instead of staying near the lane and protecting the rim.
In the first 2 years at Kentucky, he averaged almost 3 blocks per game and then the coach started putting him on the perimeter to guard the Small Forwards and Guards... that has translated to the NBA, where he is constantly stuck in no mans land and just lost.
College is not the NBA.
We need to park WCS near the rim at all times and tell him your role is as a rim protector and rebounder. On offense, stay close to the rim for lob passes and put backs. On defense, you protect the rim and rebound.
If WCS can learn the role of a DeAndre Jordan or Joakim Noah (who also took a few years to figure it out), I think he can still be a valuable player in the rotation. His athleticism is still off the charts and needs to be better utilized.
It usually takes a few years for big men to figure things out. I am not that concerned at this point.
In the first 2 years at Kentucky, he averaged almost 3 blocks per game and then the coach started putting him on the perimeter to guard the Small Forwards and Guards... that has translated to the NBA, where he is constantly stuck in no mans land and just lost.
College is not the NBA.
We need to park WCS near the rim at all times and tell him your role is as a rim protector and rebounder. On offense, stay close to the rim for lob passes and put backs. On defense, you protect the rim and rebound.
If WCS can learn the role of a DeAndre Jordan or Joakim Noah (who also took a few years to figure it out), I think he can still be a valuable player in the rotation. His athleticism is still off the charts and needs to be better utilized.
It usually takes a few years for big men to figure things out. I am not that concerned at this point.
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That's embarrassing if your a guy trying to make your way into the NBA and your biggest weakness is not playing hard that's a slap to the face of people who drafted you/coach you and support you. It's not like he's playing a ton of minutes or a bigger role where he has to conserve some energy either.......I just can't accept players not playing hard.
If this was the first time you watched WCS this year (SL/Preseason) you would not even know he's a good athlete how little effort he's put in, when was the last time he made a chase down block or ran hard for a transition dunk?
That he has the nerve to say before the season "no one out works me".......really?
If this was the first time you watched WCS this year (SL/Preseason) you would not even know he's a good athlete how little effort he's put in, when was the last time he made a chase down block or ran hard for a transition dunk?
That he has the nerve to say before the season "no one out works me".......really?
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Motor is a philosophical thing easier to reference than make tangible. Focus is at least a mental practice and thus addressable. Focus can be overcome. I think WCS focused on his offense and being viable in the high post rather than refining what he has before addressing the next building block of his career. Like Casspi when he first came into the league, he needs to realize where he will make his money in the NBA.
Whatever I may think of that personally, to a coach like Joerger teaching the grind, trying to change the culture, who's prone to calling a corrective timeout after every loose turnover or stupid selfish shot...that's got to be just unacceptable. Another reason to add a real ? over whether Willie is going to make it with this regime or be moved.
Don't want that to become a point of contention with Valde though. Vlade drafted the kid, and seemed to like him personally because he was more sophisticated than your average dumb jock. Ironically that sophistication/lack of focus/singlemindedness may be a problem.
Don't want that to become a point of contention with Valde though. Vlade drafted the kid, and seemed to like him personally because he was more sophisticated than your average dumb jock. Ironically that sophistication/lack of focus/singlemindedness may be a problem.
As one of WCS's detractors, I don't think I've mentioned yet one of the things about him mentally that concerns me, but the root of it is here
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article56302670.html
As for his role with the Kings? Can’t limit his options there, either.
“Believe me, this will not be me for the rest of my career, just doing the dirty work, blocking shots, rebounding. If we shared the ball,” he said, smiling, shaking his head, “I could score 15 points a game.”
This summer when he was still bad on the boards and impact defensively, he continued talking about his expanding role on offense.
I think I've seen other quotes. Basically, I think he might not know his role in the league if he's going to make it, and thinks of himself as a potential offensive guy.
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article56302670.html
As for his role with the Kings? Can’t limit his options there, either.
“Believe me, this will not be me for the rest of my career, just doing the dirty work, blocking shots, rebounding. If we shared the ball,” he said, smiling, shaking his head, “I could score 15 points a game.”
This summer when he was still bad on the boards and impact defensively, he continued talking about his expanding role on offense.
I think I've seen other quotes. Basically, I think he might not know his role in the league if he's going to make it, and thinks of himself as a potential offensive guy.