@Kingsfan23 said in the Zach LaVine thread that "half the fanbase is up in arms over the suckage of their do or die number 2 pick." I'm starting this poll to test the veracity of this claim, at least as far as the KF membership goes.
Testing a statement about Marvin Bagley
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He certainly was not who most people thought we should of drafted.
That created a more of a microscopic analysis.
He played poorly in his opportunities so far.
Everything my instincts tell me is not favorable.
So no, I'm not up in arms, but I have next to no faith the front office made the proper decision.
That created a more of a microscopic analysis.
He played poorly in his opportunities so far.
Everything my instincts tell me is not favorable.
So no, I'm not up in arms, but I have next to no faith the front office made the proper decision.
All of that is fair ... and true.
I think he hasn't lived up to expectations quite yet but if I had to summarize what I think most Kings fans are thinking it's more along the lines of "It's early. I'm willing to wait and see what happens because the pick has been pretty much universally acknowledged throughout the basketball universe as a good one and 3 pre-summer league games aren't a big enough sample to properly gauge his performance."
I think he hasn't lived up to expectations quite yet but if I had to summarize what I think most Kings fans are thinking it's more along the lines of "It's early. I'm willing to wait and see what happens because the pick has been pretty much universally acknowledged throughout the basketball universe as a good one and 3 pre-summer league games aren't a big enough sample to properly gauge his performance."
What do we know? His NBA career will not be limited by size or athletic ability. He was a stud at Duke. He has made positive statements about Sacramento and outwardly demonstrates good rapport with his young teammates. He is young and not a finished product. He has had 2 bad summer league games. What don't we know? How it will work out for him or any of the other kids drafted this year. Net positive? Surely.
MBIII has a chance to be great A combination of skill, athleticism and determination. This is a combination seen in the great ones. The guys is a hard worker. No right hand? Just wait and see. In two years you guys will think he is a righty. Hard work and a desire to be great Give him a chance please
No.
Bagley is an excellent prospect. I was also in the crowd that wanted Doncic.
I’ve been amused in recent days about everybody’s sudden concern and expert analysis of the “off hand”. Something we heard little to nothing about leading up to the draft. Now people talk like he’s damaged goods and his other hand doesn’t work when it’s more likely it’s just an underdeveloped portion of his game as just a 19 year old that didn’t need the “off hand” to dominate his competition at other levels.
I also get amused by how seriously some people take summer league.
Bagley is an excellent prospect. I was also in the crowd that wanted Doncic.
I’ve been amused in recent days about everybody’s sudden concern and expert analysis of the “off hand”. Something we heard little to nothing about leading up to the draft. Now people talk like he’s damaged goods and his other hand doesn’t work when it’s more likely it’s just an underdeveloped portion of his game as just a 19 year old that didn’t need the “off hand” to dominate his competition at other levels.
I also get amused by how seriously some people take summer league.
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He's a starting NBA PG and one of the best defensive PG's in the world. If you draft a long time starter in the lottery it can hardly be described as a failure. Jimmer Fredette, Thomas Robinson, Ben Mclemore, Nik Stauskas, Georgios Papagiannis, now those are some true failure lottery picks. Not even rotation players let alone starters.
No because it's what I expected and who Marvin is. A 2nd or 3rd tier prospect.
When you rely on others for your own success, you're automatically a 2nd tier prospect or worse. Top tier prospects are the guys who can get their own, attract doubles/attention and create for others. Marvin needs others to do that so he can excel.
The performances this summer aren't the problem. It'd be different if he shot 5-17 and was creating for guys who didn't hit their shots. But the general analysis here is awful. The reason his performances should be a red flag is how and why they happened. He didn't have Fox creating for him. Fox made things happen game 1 and Marvin did well off that attention. But vs non-NBA level competition without Fox Marvin couldn't do the same....to the point he was invisible. Neither he nor his teammates tried to run offense thru him.
As it's not his game.
That's not something you suddenly develop either. Those types who have it, had it and the challenge is translating it to higher levels.
The reason Vlade blew this pick is not because Marvin won't be a good support player. It's because Vlade chose someone who's ceiling is a support player over guys who's ceiling is a tier one player, guys who don't rely on others to impact games.
When you rely on others for your own success, you're automatically a 2nd tier prospect or worse. Top tier prospects are the guys who can get their own, attract doubles/attention and create for others. Marvin needs others to do that so he can excel.
The performances this summer aren't the problem. It'd be different if he shot 5-17 and was creating for guys who didn't hit their shots. But the general analysis here is awful. The reason his performances should be a red flag is how and why they happened. He didn't have Fox creating for him. Fox made things happen game 1 and Marvin did well off that attention. But vs non-NBA level competition without Fox Marvin couldn't do the same....to the point he was invisible. Neither he nor his teammates tried to run offense thru him.
As it's not his game.
That's not something you suddenly develop either. Those types who have it, had it and the challenge is translating it to higher levels.
The reason Vlade blew this pick is not because Marvin won't be a good support player. It's because Vlade chose someone who's ceiling is a support player over guys who's ceiling is a tier one player, guys who don't rely on others to impact games.
I wanted Doncic but I was ok with this selection, though disappointed. But I liked what I saw in his first game so I don't think that means failure to build on that in two subsequent games means he sucks. There will be no shortage of people to feed him the ball and I'm sure with time he'll develop his deficiencies. Fox shut up most of the jokers calling him a bust in his appearance, having shown size and skill development. No reason to think Bags who appears happy to be here and willing to put in the work won't do the same.
Chris Bosh was a fair support player. As was Scottie Pippin. I guess Karl Malone was in the support staff as well, as his game heavily relied upon Stockton in the pick and roll. James Worthy would fit into the support crew; he sure as heck relied on Magic Johnson. No doubt, there are many other support players who are All Stars. Comforting thought. It's nice to know that you can be in the support staff and still be a great player, maybe even a Hall of Famer.
Bagley is a kid. I know it's rough in a world where instant media and instant gratification exist but Bagley won't be lighting anything up for a good 2-3 years.
Chill everyone.
All will agree, the kid has the best motor and work ethic out of all drafted. Just give a minute will ya. He is going to adjust.
Chill everyone.
All will agree, the kid has the best motor and work ethic out of all drafted. Just give a minute will ya. He is going to adjust.
Actually his lack of right hand was one of his biggest weaknesses mentioned before the draft. But what do you think we should do when we see something in a summer league game? Not write about it? This is a message board after all and unless you suggest we shut this site down during the summer league, I dont understand what you are mad or "amused" about. Every single person that watched these games saw his lack of right hand. Doesnt mean he wont develope but that doesnt mean it cant be mentioned.
If we cant discuss anything even slightly negative happening around this franchise, there wont be real discussion. Will get really boring and really pointless really fast when every post is the same "Im so excited about our young core and every decision Vlade makes" ect.
I hope Bagley becomes a very good player, a go to go guy that we expect if we draft at #2 taking a offensive player. That doesnt mean I have to shut down my own thinking process while watching the games for the next 2-3 years because he is young. If I or someone else sees something concerning in his game, its worth a discussion without it meaning that he is labled as a bust.
If we cant discuss anything even slightly negative happening around this franchise, there wont be real discussion. Will get really boring and really pointless really fast when every post is the same "Im so excited about our young core and every decision Vlade makes" ect.
I hope Bagley becomes a very good player, a go to go guy that we expect if we draft at #2 taking a offensive player. That doesnt mean I have to shut down my own thinking process while watching the games for the next 2-3 years because he is young. If I or someone else sees something concerning in his game, its worth a discussion without it meaning that he is labled as a bust.
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