So where could they go? A Rebuilding Thread.

[Bricklayer]

So...recent events have led me to conclude that the only thing I have to offer the Kings front office for Christmas is roughly a clue. Hence I thought maybe a thread about how/where possible destinations are for our guys could go if this is not going to work and we really are going to be forced to start over.

First Ron Artest, in semi-order:

1) Knicks -- Ron's hometown, Zeke likes, they say they are out of the taking on longterm contracts biz, but for a player of Ron's caliber could we nab one of their enders and brainless kids? Really too bad they screwed themselves over and already gave away their #1 to the Bulls...actually I think the Bulls might just have a right to swap picks, so maybe we could still go after the swapped pick (likely wherever Bulls end up -- early 20s most likely).
2) Heat -- were briefly in the Iverson sweepstakes, who could have been even more disruptive, actually have an asset or two, have powerful veteran egos to help keep Ron in line, a coach/GM with confidence he can handle anybody, and a need for a spark to reignite their championship hopes. Have James Posey, who is an ender, a few kids -- Dorien Wright, Wayne Simien -- and their pick of course. And with them currently sucking that pick could be closer to #20 than #30, and hence of some value.
3) Wolves -- Ron and KG have a mutual admiration society, and with them whiffing on A.I., and KG again not happy about it, maybe if we are just never going to be able to bring the Garnett monster this way, we could send Artest back the other way. They will be desperate for an appeasing move to their fans and Garnett. Randy Foye was apparently available to get A.I. Might very well be to get Artest too. There is also still Eddie Griffin, picks, and our choice of bad midrange contracts to take on.
4) Warriors -- a guess, but Don Nelson wanted to coach us (maybe we should have let him after all), so he must have wanted to coach Ron. And I betcha anything there is a wacky little gleam in Nellie's eye looking at Artest as his dream "PF". Of course these are not only divisional rivals but Norcal rivals, so that becomes a tough deal maybe.
5) Clippers -- in the Iverson sweepstakes, and struggling. Another division rival, not the L.A. team Ron was initially interessted in, but may well be in the market for a shakeup move. Cassle (ender), Mobley, Maggette all available and in range. Kids, picks, whatever.
6) Bucks -- just guessing here -- Bucks continue to diappoint, have lost their #1 SF for the year (Simmons) and only have the certifiable Ruben Patterson to fill the role. Their defense is completely awful -- would they gamble on Ron to help reenergize it? He and Patterson could be nasty, in more ways than one.
7) Lakers -- might be a longshot now with them playing so well, and of course the whole rivalry thing -- be no fun to have Ron kicking our *** for the next however many years. But its the Zen Master, Ron was interested, the Lakers were supposedly interested so... Ironically Bynum now probably IS off limits unfortunately.
8) Nets -- again maybe a longshot, but the Nets seem vaguely restless and listless, and again they are right from Ron's neighborhood. In fact will get even closer here when they move across the river into Brooklyn.

 

[Bricklayer]

Second, Mike Bibby:

1) Boston -- have kids, and a pick. Also have one dissatisfied superstar looking for veteran help. This remains a logical destination. Question would be if they weren't willing to dip too deeply into their kids to get A.I., what would they offer for Mike? The Ratliff contact (done after next year) is the given balancer for Mike's deal, after that, could we get a kid and a pick in exchange for Mike maybe lifting them to the oh so coveted Atlantic crown?
2) Cavs -- a team struggling to take that next step, and gee, what do they precisely need except a) a PG, and b) outside shooting. Could there be any more perfect fit? The question is what could we get back and how could it balance? I bet we could Varajao and a pick out of it, but balancing salaries after that gets tricky given their salary structure.
3) Indiana -- just has their eternal mess at PG, and need a major spark to move forward now. Unfortunately Granger is probably off limitis -- couldn't hurt to ask. But there is always the pick route + Marquis Daniels isn't playing there right now (of course also a cautionary tale). No idea if Shawne Williams can actually play or not.
4) Wolves -- like Artest, on the theory that the Wolves now need to do SOMETHING to save face in KG's eyes, and much as KG and Mike would have been a beautiful thing in Kingsland, the combo could work in Minny, especially with Mike James disappointing. Unfortunately with 19 PGs on their roster, we would have to take back one of their numerous overpaid types, but agian there is also Foye and the pick sitting around. No price too great to keep the franchise player happy and in Minny (not to mention your job) right Mr. McHale?
5) Clippers -- may or may not have been interested in Mike in some sort of package in the whole A.I. sweepstakes. Since he always has huge games against them, might think he's good for 30 a night anyway. Again there is Maggette, or a pick etc. maybe lurking. They remain ridiculously high on slow to improve Shawn Livingston, and if they weren't going to give him up for A.I..... Might be Cassel's ender = whatever youth/pix=cks we could scrounge. Might be able to do it. Maybe.
6) Seattle -- another struggling team with PG problems, and the threat that if they could get Mike while keeping Allen/Lewis they could be one of the great shooting teams ever assembled. Of course problem is that they are cheap, their best ender is Danny Fortson, their two PGs, one of whom we'd probably get, are only marginally interesting, and one of their young project bigs only slightly moreso. That pick might be enticing again though.
7) Houston -- like Cleveland, a good playoff team in need of precisely what Mike brings to take them to another level (although JVG would pull out his last remaining hair at Mike's "D"). Unfortunately even more than Cleveland have an almost complete lack of assets to make it happen. A couple of hohum kids at OG -- presumably the one place we don't need them. No real major enders, just a couple of fairly short midrangers attached to Juwann Howard and maybe Bobby Sura. We might have to take Skip, etc. Outside of a pick, might have to be a three team deal, but no idea who they have to offer ANYBODY.

 

[Bricklayer]

Third, Brad Miller:

1) Wizards -- certainly didn't look like they had a need of him last ngiht. But fits their semi-Princeton offense, and could still help break up the brawling center duo they have. Unfortunately we would probably end up with Haywood, who is dinosaurlike in more ways than just size -- got one of those little pea brains too. Pick as always would be a factor. Don't think they have any real enders of note, and no real great kid prospects sitting around either.
2) Pacers -- apparently still like him, and have a need at center. Same type of prospects/picks deals as mentioned elsewhere. And same type of contract coming back most likely. Granger/Harrison/Daniels I guess...maybe Sarunas or Williams. Something.
3) Chicago -- wonder if it is the Midwest thing or just coincidence that Brad's old teams all seem to still have some interest in him? Maybe a cautionary tale. In any case, they are playing better, and Big Ben has come around, so not as clear of a need now, but they were rumored to have some interest at least in Brad as a faceup big to create space. Lots of kids around obviously, maybe all off limits though. Swapped pick with the Knicks may also be too high. Be worth a call if we were going to move him however.
4) Wolves -- its possible, just possible, in their eternal search for a center to pair with KG as well as possibly an affordable way to make him feel like they were going forward. Doubt we could nab Foye with Brad, so who knows about the package.

 

[Bricklayer]

Fourth, Shareef:

1) Chicago -- interest in Reef might be at an all time low around the league, and maybe its just Sam Smith's constant bleating about this possibility, but it does seem like they could use a PF with some post ability to team with Ben. As with Brad, problem is could he actually net us one of their kids or picks at this stage in his career?
2) Heat -- not sure about this one at this late stage. Last year the Heat wanted to sign Reef as a 6th man, but he didn't want to do it. Ironically now he's a 6th man type here. Maybe Miami might still have an interest, and have the Wright/Simien/pick type things still going on. But not sure how that would work uinless they found a way to move Walker.
3) Spurs -- were the other top team reportedly last year interested in Reef off the bench. Could still be, as winning aside that frontcourt looks mighty thin. Reef often plays well against them, so more reason they might have inflated view of his skills. Of course then again we'd be helping the Spurs, but if we are truly rebuilding their era might be over by the time we were back on the scene anyway. Not sure how good their offer could be, but they do have an ender in Eric Williams, a young big we may have inquired about in the offseason in Jackie Butler, and of course maybe a pick (obviously about #30).

 

[Bricklayer]

Fifth, Kenny:

1) Nets -- well, they are desperately bargain hunting for a big, any big, even if he's not big. Kenny might actually do well in their running game actually, and we are pretty much in a position to take just enders back to escape this contract in a rebuild (McInnis, Mikki Moore). Someboy mentioend Josh Booone -- no idea if they would do that or not. For Kenny Thomas of all people, have to imagine their would be no shot at the pick unfortunately.
2) Houston -- no idea if they would actually like a second bite of this apple or not, but their PF position is so messed up and what they need is just a dirty work reboudner type. The one they have is even smaller than Kenny. And then their is the ghost of Juwann Howard sitting around. Anyway, KT might fit in fairly naturally in this spot. Agian there is the question of what could come back.

 

[nbrans]

So...recent events have led me to conclude that the only thing I have to offer the Kings front office for Christmas is roughly a clue. Hence I thought maybe a thread about how/where possible destinations are for our guys could go if this is not going to work and we really are going to be forced to start over.

First Ron Artest, in semi-order:

1) Knicks -- Ron's hometown, Zeke likes, they say they are out of the taking on longterm contracts biz, but for a player of Ron's caliber could we nab one of their enders and brainless kids? Really too bad they screwed themselves over and already gave away their #1 to the Bulls...actually I think the Bulls might just have a right to swap picks, so maybe we could still go after the swapped pick (liekly wherever Bulls end up -- early 20s most likely).
2) Heat -- were briefly in the Iverson sweepstakes, who could have been even more disrutptive, actually have an asset or two, have powerful veteran egos to help keep Ron in line, a coach/GM with confidence he can handle anybody, and a ned for a spark to reignite thier championship hopes. Have James Posey, who is an ender, a few kids -- Dorien Wright, Wayne Simien -- and their pick of course. And with them currently sucking that pick could be closer to #20 than #30, and hence of some value.
3) Wolves -- Ron and KG have a mutual admiration society, and with them whiffing on A.I., and KG again not happy about it, maybe if we are just never going to be able to bring the Garnett monster this way, we could send Arteset back the other way. They will be desperate for an appeasing move to their fans and Garnett. Randy Foye was apparently available to get A.I. Might very well be to get Artest too. There is also still Eddie Griffin, picks, and our choice of bad midrange contracts to take on.
4) Warriors -- a guess, but Don Nelson wanted to coach us (maybe we should have let him after all), so he must have wanted to coach Ron. And I betcha anything their is a wacky little gleam in Nellie's eye looking at Artest as his dream "PF". Of course these are not only divisional rivals but Norcal rivals, so that becomes a tough deal maybe.
5) Clippers -- in the Iverson sweepstakes, and struggling. Another division rival, not the L.A. team Ron ws initially interessted in, but may well be in the market for a shakeup move. Cassle (ender), Mobley,
6) Bucks -- just guessinghere -- Bucks continue to diappoint, have lost their #1 SF for the year (Simmons) and only have the certifiable Ruben Patterson to fill the role. Their defense is completely awful -- would they gamble on Ron to help reenergize it? He and Patterson could be nasty, in more ways than one.
7) Lakers -- might be a longshot now with them playing so well, and of course the whole rivalry thing -- be no fun to have ron kicking our *** for the next however many years. But its the Zen Master, Ro was interested, the Lakers were supposedly interested so... Ironically Bynum now probably IS off limits unfortunately.
8) Nets -- again maybe a longshot, but the Nets seem vaguely restless and listless, and again they are right form Ron;s neighborhood. In fact will get even closer here when thye move across the river into Brooklyn.

Thanks for putting these all together, there are some interesting ideas here. Unfortunately I don't know how many of them are very realistic. The Kings are in a very, very tight spot. Below I'm just looking at team to team deals, which obviously doesn't take into acount 3 team deals.

For Ron:

Knicks -- they really don't have anything that remotely resembles and ending contract. I'm sure we'd all like to have David Lee or Channing Frye, but do you swallow the 3 years/$21 million left on Malik Rose's contract to do it? Jamal Crawford's, which ends in 2010? Jered Jeffries? There's just nothing to make it add up for rebuilding purposes.

Heat -- Probably something like Posey, Wright (who I think looks pretty terrible, but whatev, he's on a rookie contract) and a mid to late first. Not a bad option really. I'd put them on top.

Wolves -- Similar to the Knicks problem. No one resembling an ender, and I seriously doubt they'd give up Foye for Artest.

Warriors -- again, a combination of no enders and some probably untouchable good young players. Although something like Cabarkapa's ender/Diogu/Pietrus' ender would work. But when Cabarkapa and Pietrus walk you're looking at a Artest for Diogu trade. Yikes.

Clippers -- I like Maggette and his deal is very similar to Artest's. If his injury problems aren't too severe this might be an appealing option.

Bucks -- they have Skinner's ender and some good young players. But I think they're looking towards getting a star point guard in the offseason, so I don't know if they'd be interested in giving up an ender. I guess it depends on whether they think Bobby Simmons will ever come back from that ankle injury.

Lakers -- Ron for Kwame? Ron for Mihm's ender and a pick? Of course, then you have to watch Phil Jackson make it all work and spend the next three years gouging your eyes out every time you play them. Not sure it's worth it.

Nets -- Only two deals I could see here is Ron for Jason Collins (ends after next season) and picks or Ron and an ender for Richard Jefferson. Niether one really appeals to me. I'm not much of a Richard Jefferson fan, and Collins' deal doesn't end soon enough.

Couple of other possibilities off the top of my head:

Portland -- they need a good small forward in the worst way, although you have to believe that they're scarred enough from the JailBlazer days that they wouldn't take a flyer on Artest.

Dallas -- you have to think Cuban would be in the mix, and they have some appealing enders (although no picks this year).

The landscape isn't great, although we may be able to "buy low and sell high" given that Ron has been (relatively) well-behaved and has shown his impact. I'd put Miami and the Clippers as the most likely destination, especially the Clippers. A problem for a problem?

 

[hearns]

Another idea for Artest: Washington. They need defense and something like Artest+Potapenko for Butler+Haywood would be interesting for the Kings.

Of the original list I only see two decent posibilities: Artest for Jeffries+Frye; a 3 way deal Artest to LAC, Maggette to Hou, Battier+Sura to Sac.

And the best for a rebuilding would be try to send him to Atlanta for Marvin Williams (they have cap space, with Joe Johnson+Artest they can finally win now) or wait until the offseason and make a deal with Memphis (they'll have cap space) Artest for Rudy Gay.

 

[hearns]

For Bibby, the best would be a trade with Dallas where we get Devin Harris+ some of their expirings (Croshere or Stackhouse). A trade with Minesotta for Foye+Griffin+Davis would be interesting too.

The trade with Bos (Ratliff+West) I think isn't good, I wouldn't do that.

 

[hearns]

For Kenny Thomas, some trades with NJ:

a) Kenny for Moore+McInnis+Boone
b) 3 way: Kenny to NJ, Collins to Sea (they need a C and defense), Fortson to Sac.

I wouldn't do Juwan Howard for Kenny Thomas.

 

[nbrans]

Second, Mike Bibby:

1) Boston -- have kids, and a pick. Also have one dissatisfied superstar looking for veteran help. This remains a logical destination. Question would be if they weren't willing to dip too deeply into their kids to get A.I., what would they offer for Mike? The Ratliff contact (done after next year) is the given balancer for Mike's deal, after that, could we get a kid and a pick in exchange for Mike maybe lifting them to the oh so coveted Atlantic crown?
2) Cavs -- a team struggling to take that next step, and gee, what do they precisely need except a) a PG, and b) outside shooting. Could there be any more perfect fit? The question is what could we get back and how could it balance? I bet we could Varajao and a pick out of it, but balancing salaries after that gets tricky given their salary structure.
3) Indiana -- just has their eternal mess at PG, and need a major spark to move forward now. Unfortunately Granger is probably off limitis -- couldn't hurt to ask. But there is always the pick route + Marquis Daniels isn't playing there right now (of course also a cautionary tale). No idea if Shawne Williams can actually play or not.
4) Wolves -- like Artest, on the theory that the Wolves now need to do SOMETHING to save face in KG's eyes, and much as KG and Mike would have been a beautiful thing in Kingsland, the combo could work in Minny, especially with Mike James disappointing. Unfortunately with 19 PGs on their roster, we would have to take back one of their numerous overpaid types, but agian there is also Foye and the pick sitting around. No price too great to keep the franchise player happy and in Minny (not to mention your job) right Mr. McHale?
5) Clippers -- may or may not have been interested in Mike in some sort of package in the whole A.I. sweepstakes. Since he always has huge games against them, might think he's good for 30 a night anyway. Again there is Maggette, or a pick etc. maybe lurking. They remain ridiculously high on slow to improve Shawn Livingston, and if they weren't going to give him up for A.I..... Might be Cassel's ender = whatever youth/pix=cks we could scrounge. Might be able to do it. Maybe.
6) Seattle -- another struggling team with PG problems, and the threat that if they could get Mike while keeping Allen/Lewis they could be one of the great shooting teams ever assembled. Of course problem is that they are cheap, their best ender is Danny Fortson, their two PGs, one of whom we'd probably get, are only marginally interesting, and one of their young project bigs only slightly moreso. That pick might be enticing again though.
7) Houston -- like Cleveland, a good playoff team in need of precisely what Mike brings to take them to another level (although JVG would pull out his last remaining hair at Mike's "D"). Unfortunately even more than Cleveland have an almost complete lack of assets to make it happen. A couple of hohum kids at OG -- presumably the one place we don't need them. No real major enders, just a couple of fairly short midrangers attached to Juwann Howard and maybe Bobby Sura. We might have to take Skip, etc. Outside of a pick, might have to be a three team deal, but no idea who they have to offer ANYBODY.

I can't really see Bibby being dealt this year, especially not for something of value, with his contract year looming. I suppose a Peja/Artest situation could always arise, but

Boston -- They gave away a lot to get Telfair and a future pick to get Rondo. I can't quite see them being interested in Bibby, but hey, maybe Ainge will think he has the right brain type. I'd definitely do a Ratliff/West trade for Bibby at this point, but would Boston?

Cavs -- Blech. I want nothing on their roster but Verejao and he's a free agent that we'd have a shot at signing anyway.

Indiana -- I can definitely see why Indiana would be interested, but what do you take back in return? Probably something like Jasikevicius and Foster or Jasikevicius and Marquis Daniels? I seriously, seriously doubt they're parting with Granger and they'd probably try and make us take back Steven Jackson or Tinsley.

Wolves -- Maybe, maybe. I'd think about Mike James and Blount for Bibby, but that just breaks Bibby up into one crap contract (Blount) and one possibly crappy contract (James). But we can forget about Foye and probably the pick as well.

Clippers -- I seriously, seriously doubt we could get a pick from them. Cassell is really important to them from a leadership perspective, and even if they decided to cash him in for Bibby, why would they give up a pick when he could just walk at the end of the year?

Seattle -- Ridnour has been playing really, really well for them this year and so I think they might not be as pressed to deal with the PG position. They might create more problems than they solve bringing in Bibby, even if it's for, say, Earl Watson and Danny Fortson. And that, of course, makes a horrible defensive team even horrible-r.

Houston -- I just look at that roster and think "blech."

I stand to be very wrong, but I just can't see a Bibby trade happening.

 

[hearns]

Brad Miller: I can't find any takers where we get something decent in return. Maybe Orlando would be interested for Milicic+Dooling, a passing center with the range of Brad with a beast like Howard would be great. Maybe wait until the offseason and try to do something with Orlando or Charlotte, both with cap space an with the PF-type Brad needs to be really good (Howard, Okafor). And in dreams, something like Brad Miller+Francisco Garcia for Gasol. Stromile Swift is, at other level, another player who can work well with Miller.

SAR: keep him. With his contract, a player with his talent is too interesting for dump him, and I don't think we get something better than an expiring for him.

 

[Bricklayer]

SAR: keep him. With his contract, a player with his talent is too interesting for dump him, and I don't think we get something better than an expiring for him.

30 yrs old 11pts 6rebs and can't beat out Kenny Thomas. Dump him along with the rest of the old vets. No place in a rebuild.

 

[nbrans]

30 yrs old 11pts 6rebs and can't beat out Kenny Thomas. Dump him along with the rest of the old vets. No place in a rebuild.

I'm with Hearns, I don't think the Kings could get a better post player with the $5 million SAR is making, so why give him up? I don't see why Shareef isn't starting right now anyway, he's outplayed Kenny all season long.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm with Hearns, I don't think the Kings could get a better post player with the $5 million SAR is making, so why give him up? I don't see why Shareef isn't starting right now anyway, he's outplayed Kenny all season long.

Its not about getting a better post player -- not that half the league isn't better than Reef anymore anyway. Its about youth. Remember -- rebuilding, nto reloading. Reef could still be a 6th man for some good team somewhere, but he's fading young, and will be flat out getting old before any real rebuilding has us mattering again. So you move him.

 

[nbrans]

Third, Brad Miller:

1) Wizards -- certainly didn;t look like they had a need of him last ngiht. But fits their semi-Princeton offense, and could still help break up the brawling center dupo they have. Unfortunately we would probably end up with Haywood, who is dinosaurlike in more wats than just size -- got one of thoise little pea brains too. Pick as always would be a factor. Don;t think they have any real enders of note, and no real great kid prospects sitting aorund either.
2) Pacers -- apparently still like him, and have a need at center. Same type of prospects/picks deals as mentioend elsewhere. NAd same type of cotnract coming back most likely. Granger/Harrison/Daniels I guess...maybe Sarunas or Williams. Something.
3) Chicago -- wonder if it is the MidWest thing or just coincidence that Brad;s old teams all sem to still nhave some interest in him? In any case, they are playing better, and Big Ben has come around, so not as clear of a need now, but they wer rumored to have some interest at elast. Lots of kids around obviously, maybe all off limits though. Swappaed pick wiht the Knicks may also be too high. Be worth a call if we were going to move him however.
4) Wolves -- its possible, just possible, in their eternal search for a center to pair with KG as well as possibly an afordable way to make him feel liek they were going ofrward. Doubt we could nab Foye with Brad, so who knows about the package.

I may be in the minority, but I still think Brad has some value to this team because he's the only good -- and willing -- passer, he sets incredible screens that free up our shooters and his outside shooting is valuable. Even with as poorly as he's playing there aren't a whole lot of centers out there that are more valuable. He's overpaid, but unless he becomes more injury prone I'd say he's probably more valuable to the team than what we can get in return. I know the theory of this thread is rebuilding and Brad would be an obvious player to go, but I don't know, if there's one veteran on the team I'd keep it just might be Brad.

As for the above list, Washington doesn't need the offense, Chicago has no need for Miller and the Wolves have nothing we'd want.

Indiana -- maybe. Break up the contract into Jeff Foster and Jasikevicius? That's a short term hit but maybe a long term gain with the cap room after Jasikevicius' contract expires.

Unless New Orleans sours on Tyson Chandler I think that's probably the only possibility.

 

[SLAB]

As of now, I am exclusivly on the trade Miller, Bibby, and SAR bandwagons.

Those could be considered valuble to some teams, and they could bring in pieces to compliment Artest the way he wants to be compliments.

Brad Miller to Chicago for PJ Brown and Chris Duhon...Miller plays PF for Chicago, and we aquire a disgruntled center and a floor general.

Bibby / SAR for a good PF...We end up looking like this.

Duhon/Price/Douby
Martin/Cisco
Artest/Salmons
Traded PF/Thomas
Brown/???

It all depends on the PF we aquire trying to make this work...I have to run, so I can't think this one out fully...Anyone wanna help me out?

 

[kpm308]

Ron-

I think if the Kings try and trade Ron right now after having him less than a year, he won't have much more trade value than he did last year when the Pacers wanted to move him. The only teams that would be genuinly interested would be true contenders with a superstar and a strong coach who could keep him in line and focused, so with that, maybe the Lakers, Heat, or as a darkhorse possibly the Spurs. Riley Shaq and Wade could keep him in line and focused, as could Jackson and Kobe, and his defense would be huge in either of those teams championship runs. Spurs don't seem like a team that would want to deal with Ron's chemistry problems, but with Bowen starting to head downhill, Artest could fill his role and more, and then bring Bowen off the bench and you could possibly lockdown a teams number one option the entire game with the two of them. They already have their identity and would just force Artest to fit in, and Pop's coaching with Duncan's leadership are one of the few combinations who
would have a good shot at controlling Artest. None of those teams would really be able to offer much though, mostly just expirings and late draft picks, so you have to decide if he is a serious enough problem to just dump him. Clippers may be forced into the gamble with Maggette asking for a trade, but I don't think many other teams have enough in the risk/reward aspect. I think the Lakers would offer the best package, maybe something like Kwame and a 1st, and he could really put them over the top, but you have to worry about tradign him to a rival, but with the Kings rebuilding maybe you do it and figure you aren't going to be winning much in the next few years anyway.

Mike-

Mike is going to be tricky to trade because he has the most trade value of anyone on the team, and he is probably the only one who could get you a high first rounder, which is really what this team will need if they are going to go into full rebuilding mode, but with his opt out possibility, not sure how many teams would be willing to give much youth or high picks for him. Dependign on what the ownership sistuation will turn out to be in Memphis, but if they were willing to commit to Mike's salary, this could be a possibility where Mike could could be moved for Eddie Jones' expiring and next years first, which will be high enough to really draft a difference maker. Bibby, Gasol, and Gay would be a great core for them with the athleticism they have in their frontcourt.

Brad-

I read an article the other day where the sonics coach was sayign how bad they needed a starting center, so maybe Brad for Swift and DFF's expiring or Brad for Petro, DFF, and a pick. If Brad is moved it has to be for younger big men with potential, and this may be about as good as you can hope to get for Brad at this point.

I don't think Shareef or Kenny are really going to get anything of value, maybe something like Duhon for Reef, but we will probably be better off just holdign on to them as the new young guys develop and then dumping them when someone shows they can beat them for a spot.

 

[nbrans]

Ron-

I think if the Kings try and trade Ron right now after having him less than a year, he won't have much more trade value than he did last year when the Pacers wanted to move him. The only teams that would be genuinly interested would be true contenders with a superstar and a strong coach who could keep him in line and focused, so with that, maybe the Lakers, Heat, or as a darkhorse possibly the Spurs. Riley Shaq and Wade could keep him in line and focused, as could Jackson and Kobe, and his defense would be huge in either of those teams championship runs. Spurs don't seem like a team that would want to deal with Ron's chemistry problems, but with Bowen starting to head downhill, Artest could fill his role and more, and then bring Bowen off the bench and you could possibly lockdown a teams number one option the entire game with the two of them. They already have their identity and would just force Artest to fit in, and Pop's coaching with Duncan's leadership are one of the few combinations who
would have a good shot at controlling Artest. None of those teams would really be able to offer much though, mostly just expirings and late draft picks, so you have to decide if he is a serious enough problem to just dump him. Clippers may be forced into the gamble with Maggette asking for a trade, but I don't think many other teams have enough in the risk/reward aspect. I think the Lakers would offer the best package, maybe something like Kwame and a 1st, and he could really put them over the top, but you have to worry about tradign him to a rival, but with the Kings rebuilding maybe you do it and figure you aren't going to be winning much in the next few years anyway.

Mike-

Mike is going to be tricky to trade because he has the most trade value of anyone on the team, and he is probably the only one who could get you a high first rounder, which is really what this team will need if they are going to go into full rebuilding mode. Not sure what the ownership sistuation will turn out to be in Memphis, but if they were willing to commit to Mike's salary, this could be a possibility where Mike could could be moved for Eddie Jones' expiring and next years first, which will be high enough to really draft a difference maker. Bibby, Gasol, and Gay would be a great core for them with the athleticism they have in their frontcourt.

Brad-

I read an article the other day where the sonics coach was sayign how bad they needed a starting center, so maybe Brad for Swift and DFF's expiring or Brad for Petro, DFF, and a pick. If Brad is moved it has to be for younger big men with potential, and this may be about as good as you can hope to get for Brad at this point.

I don't think Shareef or Kenny are really going to get anything of value, maybe something like Duhon for Reef, but we will probably be better off just holdign on to them as the new young guys develop and then dumping them when someone shows they can beat them for a spot.

I agree with just about everything you're saying here and you make a lot of good points, but I disagre with the part about Bibby. Memphis would be crazy to give up anything for him, especially a pick. They're going to have cap room next year and if he opts out they can just sign him outright. I don't think people are going to give up a pick for (potentially) a half season of Bibby. His contract situation, not to mention his horrendous play, really drives down his trade value.

 

[sidney]

Its not about getting a better post player -- not that half the league isn't better than Reef anymore anyway. Its about youth. Remember -- rebuilding, nto reloading. Reef could still be a 6th man for some good team somewhere, but he's fading young, and will be flat out getting old before any real rebuilding has us mattering again. So you move him.

thanks for the summary btw. We really do have a lot of options for Mike and Ron.

If we do rebuild, you do try and move both Kenny and Reef, but if you can't get a 1st round pick or youth (which is entirely possible), Reef is almost the perfect guy to have around while we are losing/developing. Veteren, seemingly good attitude, still motivated, can score, will accept a bench role (especially as he gets older), and most importantly he's cheap and we can get away with starting him while kids develop.

Even though we'll be looking at the future, there is some quality threshold for the current product on the floor otherwise most fans won't even bother coming. Can't start Justin Williams at center for 40 minutues a game for example. Has to be a few decent cheap vets to keep things together like Reef and Corliss (vet min maybe)

 

[Padrino]

if petrie ever got serious about rebuilding, he'd probably dust off his copy of "Rebuilding Your Basketball Team - For Dummies: Volumes 1-3." in one of those volumes, i'm sure it says that, in a rebuilding process, you liquidate everything you've got in your starting lineup that is older than 28. one or two old savvy vets are valuable off the bench, but you trade all of your expensive crap away for enders. if you can get talented youth in return, that's great, but its unlikely. and you do this over the course of a couple of years, all the while putting yourself in a position to draft well so that you know what gaps to fill along the way. so, brick's pretty much on the money. its not really about what you can get back, its who's gonna take them?

 

[RS189]

The only way I will believe Geoff has still got it, is if he can get David Lee from the Knicks in a deal for Ron

 

[Rockmeister]

For Kenny Thomas, some trades with NJ:

a) Kenny for Moore+McInnis+Boone
b) 3 way: Kenny to NJ, Collins to Sea (they need a C and defense), Fortson to Sac.

I wouldn't do Juwan Howard for Kenny Thomas.

I do NOT want Fortson on the Kings team. Period

 

[LPKingsFan]

Warriors -- again, a combination of no enders and some probably untouchable good young players. Although something like Cabarkapa's ender/Diogu/Pietrus' ender would work. But when Cabarkapa and Pietrus walk you're looking at a Artest for Diogu trade. Yikes.

Zarko and Pietrus are both RFA's next year, so we could keep them if we really wanted to. Pietrus/Martin would be a sweet swingman tandem on the wings, and I still think Diogu can turn into a Brand-lite if he gets the PT.

 

[sidney]

I do NOT want Fortson on the Kings team. Period

would just be a salary dump. I think his deal expires at the end of the year. We could even waive him

 

[LPKingsFan]

As of now, I am exclusivly on the trade Miller, Bibby, and SAR bandwagons.

Those could be considered valuble to some teams, and they could bring in pieces to compliment Artest the way he wants to be compliments.

Brad Miller to Chicago for PJ Brown and Chris Duhon...Miller plays PF for Chicago, and we aquire a disgruntled center and a floor general.

Bibby / SAR for a good PF...We end up looking like this.

Duhon/Price/Douby
Martin/Cisco
Artest/Salmons
Traded PF/Thomas
Brown/???

It all depends on the PF we aquire trying to make this work...I have to run, so I can't think this one out fully...Anyone wanna help me out?

Think you're better off sending SAR to Chicago than Brad. I think a deal like this would work for both sides. Kings get a young promising point and an expiring, while Bulls get post offense and an expiring:

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
12.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 27.2 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
3.4 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 9.9 minutes
Incoming

Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
8.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 5.0 apg in 29.1 minutes

P.J. Brown
6-11 PF from Louisiana Tech
9.0 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 31.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +2.0 ppg, +3.5 rpg, and +3.7 apg.

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
8.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 5.0 apg in 29.1 minutes

P.J. Brown
6-11 PF from Louisiana Tech
9.0 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 31.8 minutes
Incoming

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
12.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 27.2 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
3.4 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 9.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -2.0 ppg, -3.5 rpg, and -3.7 apg.


Successful Scenario

Then you see how things shape up for a month or so, and look to see what a Bibby/Miller package can net on the market. Probably more than Bibby/SAR, and you can go for either players or picks, depending on how low you want to rebuild at that point.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Price, Martin, Douby,Salmons, are the only ones I want to stick around if we rebuild, if they are going to rebuild they have to do it right, its pretty obvious were most likely going to be in the lottery this year, and the draft this year is great, lots of bigs in our range, Noah,Wright, Thabeet, Oden, Splitter we will be able to get one of these guys and they all have promise.

So what do we do this year that is the big question? Well the longer we keep playing with this team and losing the longer we are getting no where, we need to make some moves now and start developing this teams new identity as soon as possible. We should deffinitely try and get some more 1st or 2nd rounders for this years upcoming draft, and we do have tradeable assets to make this happen, who honestly thinks Bibby is going to be on this team next year. Not saying I don't want him to be but, I highly doubt he will be, we should let him get back into his groove then, get some legit pieces for him(Young prospects, picks, expiring contracts), Shareef is dirt cheap and a championship contender I'm sure could use him. Corliss Hart and Pot are all moveable for pieces.
As for Thomas, he has been our most solid big this season, hes doing all the little things we need him to do, If he had a shotblocking rebounder beside him he could be a very effective role player on this team in the future, I say we keep K9 whether or not he starts or comes off the bench next year he could be a very useful piece with the right sorroundings, his rebounding and hustle says that alone.

 

[jcassio]

Price, Martin, Douby,Salmons, are the only ones I want to stick around if we rebuild...
I say we keep K9...

I agree with your first statement, but also haven't given up on Garcia just yet. With Douby it's too early to tell, but he hasn't impressed me yet. I'm doubtful, but still hopeful.

On K9, though, I don't want a player with his attitude on my team. As a rebounder, he's a good role player. But he's only an adequate defender who doesn't block shots, and he contributes only turnovers and mistakes on offense. Not good enough for a starter, and he doesn't have the right attitude to come off the bench and be effective.

 

[King4Life]

what's Eddy Curry's contract like? If Artest were to go to the Knicks, he's a player I'd want ..

 

[Big Cuz 15]

30 yrs old 11pts 6rebs and can't beat out Kenny Thomas. Dump him along with the rest of the old vets. No place in a rebuild.

agreed. might as well get a young buck in and let him gain some experience

 

[nbrans]

The Nets just lost Nenad Krstic for the season. Suddenly a trade like this might be a tad more realistic:

Kenny Thomas

for

Jeff McInnis (expiring)
Bostjan Nachbar (expiring next season)
Antoine Wright or pick