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#1
So. Do you trade Buddy Hield for a late pick or sf? Is there even a market for him? Or do you try to convince him to be a hired gunner, a Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford player?
 

kingsboi

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#3
Buddy has a role on this team. I just don't like him starting. He can come off the bench and give you points. If he is off his game, take him out until he develops his game further, if at all.
 
#8
All 29 teams would want Buddy if we put him on the block. However, there's no point to trade him for a late 1st rounder. I wouldn't be extremely opposed to trading him for a young player of equal value, but so far, I can't figure out who that would be yet.

I'd rather just stick with Buddy. I think he'll always have a place on this team if it's as a starter or the bench. He's only in year 2 of his rookie contract, so there's no rush to trade him yet.
 
#10
I’d like an extended period with them starting together to see if it works. I think Buddy is a capable quality starting SG. Sometimes it’s out of necessity where you have to start two of your better prospects who may not be ideal together
 
#12
Oh there is NO problem with Buddy in any role. However, I was listening to Grant today and his rhetoric about drafting the best player regardless of fit. So I was curious to start a discussion on whether Bogie is a legit 2 going forward and what to do with Hield if Bogie is that guy.
I love them both just fyi. I would try to convince Buddy to gun off the bench. But is it smart with his value and or feasible with our future?
 
#14
Oh there is NO problem with Buddy in any role. However, I was listening to Grant today and his rhetoric about drafting the best player regardless of fit. So I was curious to start a discussion on whether Bogie is a legit 2 going forward and what to do with Hield if Bogie is that guy.
I love them both just fyi. I would try to convince Buddy to gun off the bench. But is it smart with his value and or feasible with our future?
As far as fit goes..... if we draft a 3, I like Bogs as a starting 2 and Buddy as our 6th man who puts up points. Bogs and Buddy can play alongside each other too, so there should be plenty of minutes to go around.

If we take one of the bigs, then something will have to give. Especially if Giles comes back and lives up to all the hype he's getting about killing it in practice (I really hope he gets NBA minutes this year just so we can make better decisions come draft day).

I've already written off Papa. KK and Z-bo aren't part of the future. But you gotta wonder if WCS won't end up draft day trade bait if we end up picking Ayton.

I love Willie when he's on, but the dude is so inconsistent, and with his wacky ego, you gotta worry about how much he'll want in an extension. I don't want us to overpay, but I would hate it if we lose him for nothing.

I'd also hate it if we end up in a Philly situation, where they had too many bigs, so everyone lost value and development time.

Anyways, I'm just rambling. Vivek will probably trade our pick for a rental of Paul George so we can make the playoffs and this whole conversation will be moot (jk)!
 
#16
As far as fit goes..... if we draft a 3, I like Bogs as a starting 2 and Buddy as our 6th man who puts up points. Bogs and Buddy can play alongside each other too, so there should be plenty of minutes to go around.

If we take one of the bigs, then something will have to give. Especially if Giles comes back and lives up to all the hype he's getting about killing it in practice (I really hope he gets NBA minutes this year just so we can make better decisions come draft day).

I've already written off Papa. KK and Z-bo aren't part of the future. But you gotta wonder if WCS won't end up draft day trade bait if we end up picking Ayton.

I love Willie when he's on, but the dude is so inconsistent, and with his wacky ego, you gotta worry about how much he'll want in an extension. I don't want us to overpay, but I would hate it if we lose him for nothing.

I'd also hate it if we end up in a Philly situation, where they had too many bigs, so everyone lost value and development time.

Anyways, I'm just rambling. Vivek will probably trade our pick for a rental of Paul George so we can make the playoffs and this whole conversation will be moot (jk)!
If we pick Ayton, I would trade out WCS for a SF or a pick that gets us one (Bridges???)!

My reasoning for it would be simple. WCS is the big with most value our of the three (Skal and Giles). He is in his contract year next season and oldest of the 3. So we reset with Ayton, Giles and Skal. By trading WCS you get a young SF that can grow with the rest of the group and that way you have a young starter at every position. Plus is preserves cap space to renew guys like Bogdan, Buddy, Fox etc.
 
#18
I'm wondering how Bogdan is not a 30mpg starter yet
He will eventually, but right now Joerger is just doing a ton of experimenting. Assuming Frank Mason takes back his role and we don't trade any PGs, I think we will see Bogdan more as a SG and off-ball player. There's just too many on-ball players on the team.

What the Kings should do is try to get Buddy moving off-ball into open looks. Would help ease the problem.
 
#22
Why would you ever trade Buddy for a late 1st rounder? What are the odds that player is going to be as good as Buddy? Slim to none. He's doing great -- the problem is everybody is always going to expect more because he was one of the main pieces in the DMC trade.
I feel the same with WCS. Willie stepped into BIG shoes when Boogie was traded. Willie will never be as good as DMC, but that doesn't make him expendable trash as some seem to think.
 
#23
I'm worried about Bogie.

If we keep playing s**t like we do, he's gonna bolt.

He's a 25 year old pro who really hates losing and just wants to win. If we cant do that for him he's gone.

Pops already showed love for him and would probably almost throw everything outside Kawhi to get him.

Watch this space...
 
#24
I feel the same with WCS. Willie stepped into BIG shoes when Boogie was traded. Willie will never be as good as DMC, but that doesn't make him expendable trash as some seem to think.
I can’t speak for anyone else but that could not be further away from the truth for me personally. If WCS can average 10 rebounds, 2 blocks and 2 steals over the course of the season then you won’t hear much complaining from me about WCS. With his length, athleticism and speed, there is absolutely NO reason why he cannot average those numbers of the course of the season. It’s all got to do with his willingness to do it. He should be one of the best defenders in the NBA with his tools but he is not.
 
#25
I can’t speak for anyone else but that could not be further away from the truth for me personally. If WCS can average 10 rebounds, 2 blocks and 2 steals over the course of the season then you won’t hear much complaining from me about WCS. With his length, athleticism and speed, there is absolutely NO reason why he cannot average those numbers of the course of the season. It’s all got to do with his willingness to do it. He should be one of the best defenders in the NBA with his tools but he is not.
And I agree those would be great averages for him. I don't think Willie has lived up to his full potential either, merely pointing out some seem to have thought he should be held to the same standard as Boogie simply because they play (played) the same position.
 
#26
We should keep both. Plenty of minutes for each of them. They’re not redundant players style wise either. They can play together through stretches. They both bring something special unique to each of them to the table and they’re also currently the only two young guys on our team that look like they’re going to be something special.

“Oh, looks like one of ours guys is sure to pan out..sooo trade the only other guy that looks like he’ll pan out”
 
#27
I'm worried about Bogie.

If we keep playing s**t like we do, he's gonna bolt.

He's a 25 year old pro who really hates losing and just wants to win. If we cant do that for him he's gone.

Pops already showed love for him and would probably almost throw everything outside Kawhi to get him.

Watch this space...
He signed a three year deal. Things will look different in a year or two.
 
#28
Buddy is a hard worker so its not unreasonable to assume that he will keep improving. He is already showing improvement in his ability to find teammates compared to the beginning of the season. The ability to make pass was probably always there, but it looks like he became more aware of what his teammates are doing and when to make a pass, especially when he is driving and drawing in the defense. He still has to improve his awareness on the defensive end and improve his ball handling, but it seems he is one of those guys that keeps working hard on his weaknesses...
 

VF21

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#29
I'm worried about Bogie.

If we keep playing s**t like we do, he's gonna bolt.

He's a 25 year old pro who really hates losing and just wants to win. If we cant do that for him he's gone.

Pops already showed love for him and would probably almost throw everything outside Kawhi to get him.

Watch this space...
I think you're being unfair to Bogs. He knew what he was signing on for when he agreed to come over from Europe. He may get frustrated, but I see him working his posterior off to help his teammates get better.
 
#30
Bogey plays hard and keeps his head down. He can stand the heat because he has a lot of mental toughness. He is a physically strong player. I like him in a leadership role and would start him. He could end up playing the 1,2 or 3 depending on the opposition, but I would find a place for him. He plays under contol and is really good in crunch time.