Rebounds

#3
You have to consider all aspects of the bigs when talking about playing time. I get that it seems like if we play Giles more that the rebounding improves but his defense in some areas is not as good as WCS. I like all 3 of the bigs. Bags still makes some rookie mistakes on where to be.....I get it, the 2 rookies are going to be better but I just don’t think we can turn it over to them at this point.

No doubt that Joerger is mixing all of them in now......and that is a good thing.
 
#4
Rebounding is not glamarous, but I really like it. It is mental exercise as much as a physical one. You have to get mean and want the ball more than the other guy. The techniques are not that hard to learn. This team still makes some fundamental mistakes in their defensive rebounding every game. They are lazy about boxing people out and give up too many offensive boards.

I agree with the Hammer about 5 defensive boards a game. That is an attainable goal and deserves a high priority. Most people pay little attention to rebounding. Few responses on this thread considering that it is a key to the Kings success going forward.
 
#5
I’m to lazy nor care enough to research this but within the last few years.....Are guards getting more rebounds than previous era? And I don’t just mean a Russell Westbrook but overall in the league, are guards rebounding more?
 
#7
what I think is many of them rarely take a look where the player they are guarding on the court when a shot goes up. They just stand near the Basket and occupy a space, but not boxing out.
A lot of the offensive rebounds the Kings give up are from perimeter players crashing the boards. Guys outside the paint usually don't think about boxing out, but they need to put a body on someone. Case in point, Bogie didn't box out Oubre at the end of the Suns' game and it completely changed their final possession.
 
#8
I’m to lazy nor care enough to research this but within the last few years.....Are guards getting more rebounds than previous era? And I don’t just mean a Russell Westbrook but overall in the league, are guards rebounding more?
Absolutely. The prominence of the 3 ball creates many more long rebounds out to the back court.
Many teams play an open middle which also allows guards more access to rebounds. In today's NBA guards need to be able to rebound. Buddy and Fox are great rebounders. Bogdan is pretty good at it.
 
#9
When I used to check the Duke box scores last year I remember salivating over Bagley's amazing rebounding numbers. He's the one guy who can make a HUGE difference. Giles, with his injury history and limited NBA experience to date is a small mystery. It's hard to tell just yet what he can bring to the table rebounding wise. WCS has been better.
 
#10
Absolutely. The prominence of the 3 ball creates many more long rebounds out to the back court.
Many teams play an open middle which also allows guards more access to rebounds. In today's NBA guards need to be able to rebound. Buddy and Fox are great rebounders. Bogdan is pretty good at it.
I also think, at least hypothesize, that a guy like WCS switches out on the pick and pop and then leaks out on the break since he’s such a mobile big. Not all the time but certainly I see that happening. Just haven’t kept track of how many times that happens.
 
#13
I have watched how a couple of our bigs box out lately and for the most part the style is different.
WCS turns slightly and with one hand tries to keep the opposing player at bay.

Now with Giles he faces the basket with his arms slightly outstretched and backs the opponents back away and then he attack’s The basket or goes to the ball. But he boxes out the old fashion way.

Do both styles work well I suppose they do but with Bagley and Giles they are going to put up some good rebounding numbers as they adjust to the NBA.

I also started seeing something that warmed my heart last night and that was those two guys are starting to draw double teams down low and if that continues which it should as their offense develops it is going to really leave some good shooters with open looks.
 
#14
It’s no surprise that Willie’s rebounding numbers the last couple of games have improved as his effort level has jumped up considerably. A guy like him should be able to average 10 rebounds in his sleep.

I’m glad he’s finally showing some more aggression on the defensive side as well, as he’s finally blocking some of the shots he should have been blocking all season. We all knew he could do better.

Motivation seems to be his biggest negative at this point. I just don’t understand why he has the swings that he does. Oh well I guess that’s just Willie.
 
#16
WCS and Bagley actually look nice together and that's a very good thing. Bagley likes to clear space and call his own number but because of our run and gun style teams are left a bit overwhelmed by the pressure they create rim running.
 
#18
It's gonna be awhile before we see another rebounder like The Worm.

Bags definitely has a similarly beserker streak to him when it comes to cleaning the glass though. Dude flies around the paint with zero regard for his own well being or that of others! I can see him putting up multiple seasons of 12+ a game, and that's my conservative estimate!
 
#19
Bagley has hops, desire, good hands, and a big motor. That is most of what it takes. He needs to refine his technique. He will get stronger.
Thanks to Sucide King for the great post.
Rodman had a difficult upbringing (attitude) and a level of desire that was off the charts. Sure he is a goofball, but he could rebound like no one else in his size range.
How bad do you want it?
 
#20
We had a high school coach that would put a ring on the hoop so only a perfect shot would go in. Everything was a rebound. He really got on us about desire. After a while it becomes automatic. You have to get mean, you have to get fierce. Sometimes the Kings' wear tuxedos. No please, after you. You take it. Willie is the worst.
 
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