Preaching Offense would be better for this team

[TheJoker]

It's not going to get us anywhere but its gonna make things alot more less-stressful. lets face it the preach of "D" is not working. let the players have a little Freedom and just let them play a offensive game. its not really gonna improve us but its gonna make things better. Musselman doesn't understand what the lick of defense is. and if he did he doesn't know how to use it upon the team.

no more jokes, the Maloofs bought Musselman because he expected improved defense. hes not getting any. we're giving up a ridiclous 101.5PPG to opponents while we're suffering through other stats aswell.

so once again no more of the preach defense nonsense its not working bring up a new plan and change the whole concept.
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[piksi]

well we let one of the best offense coaches go - so what is the point here ?

 

[TheJoker]

The point is we're giving up "101.5PPG" to opponents. so were is the improved defense? yes, i know letting Adelman go was to improve the defense but its not working. which means Musselman is suffering through the defensive plan just shows how bad getting Musselman was.
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[piksi]

The point is we're giving up "101.5PPG" to opponents. so were is the improved defense? yes, i know letting Adelman go was to improve the defense but its not working. which means Musselman is suffering through the defensive plan just shows how bad getting Musselman was.
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Muss won't make You pretty on offense

 

[Beezy]

Adelman said it best in his exit press conference that if the Maloofs wanted to go defense oriented they should have solid defensive players and that's something the Kings (save Artest) clearly don't have.

 

[SACKINGS4EVER]

Bring RA back! I hope the Maloofs accept it that Muss is a Failed project.

 

[SacKings384]

Muss reminds me of those sports movies coaches. You know the coaches who show up and are a firey little people who come in and whoop a team into shape. Preaching defense, benching players for not hustling, squashing egos, and going back to the basics. Almost like the coach from Glory Road. It's a shame this isn't a movie.

 

[TheJoker]

I dont want RA back however i want a real defensive coach who preaches REAL defense.
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[Ryle]

Yawn

 

[TheJoker]

Yawn

I yawn on, the ever lasting coach "Eric Musselman". who brings nothing to the table and has made us a bad team altogether. atleast Rick Adelman had us playing good offense.

its no surprise Musselman has put this team in to Mediocreville.

instead of yawning on my thread yawn on the direction of this team and were it might be headed. there is no light at the end of the tunnel, the digging is slow and the tunnel is still dark.
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[Warhawk]

I yawn on, the ever lasting coach "Eric Musselman". who brings nothing to the table and has made us a bad team altogether. atleast Rick Adelman had us playing good offense.

its no surprise Musselman has put this team in to Mediocreville.

instead of yawning on my thread yawn on the direction of this team and were it might be headed. there is no light at the end of the tunnel, the digging is slow and the tunnel is still dark.
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Even though this team has been scoring about as many points as last year, right?

 

[BMiller52]

Even though this team has been scoring about as many points as last year, right?

The problem is that our FG% sucks and we can't come up with a basket in the clutch.

 

[Nico]

I dont want RA back however i want a real defensive coach who preaches REAL defense.
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Mike d'Antoni and Rick Adelman suffered from the same thing : not many good defensive player and the coach was pointed at, even if he was not the one who has to make stops !
They said : give us defensive minded player and we become defensive minded coach

A great example is Larry Brown : a genius defensive coach with Detroit.
And then suddently a Rick Adelman type coach (on the deffensive end) in New York !


People have to realize it ! For the defensive part the coach influence isn't very high !

I want also to say that i don't understand ppl separating defense and offense. We're not in football ! With good offensive player you make your opponent work harder on D then they are less effective on the other end of the court.
You have to find a good balance (the spurs for example ! )

 

[TheJoker]

Even though this team has been scoring about as many points as last year, right?

Adelman had the Kings running a better polished offense. Eric's philosophy is defense and he still has the Kings giving up a big amount of points to opponents.


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[gunks]

Dude....Why do you refuse to accept that maybe some of our players are the reason we have such bad defense?

Muss isnt really that good a coach.....But to pin all our teams defensive woes on him is kinda foolish.

We wouldnt be allowing nearly as many points if this team actually had a frontcourt.

 

[TheJoker]

Dude....Why do you refuse to accept that maybe some of our players are the reason we have such bad defense?

And who's blame is that exactly?

Musselman.

Ron Artest is one of the best defenders in the game and his defense is slipping INFACT he was playing better defense under Rick then he has with Musselman.


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[Warhawk]

And who's blame is that exactly?

Musselman.

Ron Artest is one of the best defenders in the game and his defense is slipping INFACT he was playing better defense under Rick then he has with Musselman.


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Petrie. Mussleman didn't build this team.

Artest has also been hurt and missed games and significant playing time, he didn't under Rick.

 

[TheJoker]

Petrie. Mussleman didn't build this team.

Poor excuse.

Geoff was confident Musselman would emerge this team with his defensive plan.

you don't need players you need a coach and its obvious Musselman has used poor stress for defense. hes showing us why his teams have always sucked and hes doing the samething with the Kings.
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[Vlade4GM]

you don't need players you need a coach​

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LOL!!

 

[TheJoker]

LOL!!

LOL @ what? coaching is important. look what Phil Jackson has done to the Lakers. coaching is just as important as having a superstar on your team. it's quite obvious Musselman has no talent in his defensive plan.




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[Vlade4GM]

LOL @ what? coaching is important. look what Phil Jackson has done to the Lakers. coaching is just as important as having a superstar on your team. it's quite obvious Musselman has no talent in his defensive plan.​

Of course coaching is important, but this notion that they can make something out of nothing is ridiculous. If you want a good defensive team, you need players with good defensive ability. I believe a coach can marginally improve results over ability, but not to any large degree. You need talent. As far as the lakers go, they have the best player in the game and a much improved bench and lamar odom. They have bigs who are defensively capable in kwame, turiaf, and bynum.

If you had a middle of the road team and you had the choice of adding michael jordan or phil jackson, who would you take?

 

[TheJoker]

Of course coaching is important, but this notion that they can make something out of nothing is ridiculous. If you want a good defensive team, you need players with good defensive ability.

It's the coaches job to emerge the team with his defensive ability. thats his job and thats what he was bought in for. or else we would've kept Rick Adelman.

Eric Musselman has always had talent on his roster dating back to his days with the Warriors but his coaching has flattered his teams. its no surprise hes doing the same with the Kings.
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[Vlade4GM]

It's the coaches job to emerge the team with his defensive ability. thats his job and thats what he was bought in for. or else we would've kept Rick Adelman.​

ok so since that is the reason he was brought in means he's capable of producing high results out of low ability?​

 

[Oscar]

The problem as I see it is that the current roster (except Artest) doesn't like to play defense. The Kings have to decide the type of team they want. If it's a team that stresses defense, then gut this roster and find players that play D. If you want a Suns-type team, than keep this roster. Musselman is not the problem.

 

[VF21]

Adelman said it best in his exit press conference that if the Maloofs wanted to go defense oriented they should have solid defensive players and that's something the Kings (save Artest) clearly don't have.

Tha't s it in a nutshell.

As far as preaching anything goes, save it for the evangelists. I don't want to hear any more bleeping preaching.

I want to SEE good solid fundamental basketball based on a game plan that doesn't require use of a calculator, slide rule or abacus. I want to SEE players who know their role and embrace it as a means to make this team better.

Most of all, however, I want to SEE a coach who comes out - just once - and doesn't fawn over the other team after we've blown a game. He's the bleeping coach. He should be at least making some reference about areas we need to work on...

/end rant

 

[NikateeN]

The problem as I see it is that the current roster (except Artest) doesn't like to play defense. The Kings have to decide the type of team they want. If it's a team that stresses defense, then gut this roster and find players that play D. If you want a Suns-type team, than keep this roster. Musselman is not the problem.

You make a good point in my mind, Muss could be the God of defense and it wouldnt make a difference, if you play one way your whole career and thats all you know, its kind of hard to switch up out of the blue, we need players that know defense so Muss can capitalize on it.

 

[fnordius]

If you want a Suns-type team, than keep this roster. Musselman is not the problem.

Well, one or the other is the problem, some would say both are.

"One of these things is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong..."

Petrie picked all of our current roster except for Artest and Salmons for Adelman's style, or Adelman's style was based on maximizing what he could do with Petrie's picks, or both.

Whether or not one thinks that Muss has the necessary skills to lead the Kings through a winning regular season and a long postseason, it is pretty obvious that the Kings do not have the sort of roster that's suited to Muss' (alleged) style. Out of a 15-man roster, we basically have 4 solid defenders -- Artest, Salmons, and Corliss if the matchup isn't killing them, a fractional KT (What phase is the moon in? Will KT be a good defender tonight, will he excel only at turnovers, will some 6'11" guy be shooting over KT all game?), and partial credit for a completely untested Justin Williams. SAR, Price, Martin, Potapenko, Hart, Douby, Taylor, Bibby, Miller: Martin's the best defender of the lot, and that really tells you something. Cisco can defend, but may be too much of a liability to leave on the court for long. You just can't play 3-4 SFs at once and win any games, but that's all Muss can do without leaving big gaps in the defence. That's why fast little guards and powerful bigs invariably kill us, our 6'7" defenders can't handle either one, and those are all the defenders we have.

The RA approach would be to toss those guys out there and tell them to make a ton of points. Muss doesn't have RA's level of offensive battleplan, so that option is not usually available.

So what do we do? Replace Muss, replace the 3/4 of the team that don't fit in with a defensive style, or both?

P.S. - Nothing in this post should be construed to suggest that Muss can lead a team to a winning season, I leave that topic for other threads.

 

[fnordius]

Most of all, however, I want to SEE a coach who comes out - just once - and doesn't fawn over the other team after we've blown a game.

/end rant

He has to fawn over them. If the other team doesn't have superior personnel, then the loss would have to be due to other causes -- like coaching.

 

[vfettke]

i remember last year when Ron first came to Sac under Adelman. We were still an offensive team but were just given a reason to focus a little more on defense. Ron still did some good work on offense, but we finally had someone that could put pressure on an opposing teams star.

anyone remember how well that worked out?

 

[sdballer]

I don't really want to get into a Mussleman vs. Adelman argument, but do people really think we have that good of a team and with a different coach would have significantly better results?