Peja vs. Webber finally settled

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Final all-star balloting (West Forwards):
Kevin Garnett (Min) 2,087,200
Tim Duncan (SA) 1,812,522
Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) 846,912
C. Anthony (Den) 662,215
A. Stoudemire (Pho) 640,370
Peja Stojakovic (Sac) 374,588
Chris Webber (Sac) 360,511
Shawn Marion (Pho) 264,203
Pau Gasol (Mem) 250,844
Lamar Odom (LAL) 243,203
Sorry C-Webb, but you can't argue with the same people that made Vince Carter a starter. They obviously know what they're doing.
Sertiously, though, I thought it was funny they ended up so close. Obviously about 360,000 biased Kings fans participated and split their votes.
The question is, however: does C-Webb deserve a bench spot?
I'd say yes. Although there's a lot of talented Western forwards, and I'd have to rank Nowitzki, Duncan, and Garnett ahead of him, the past month has been pretty fantastic. And if Grant Hill gets sympathy votes for coming through after injury, how bout a little love for C-Webb. Hopefully, Peja regains All-Star form too.
 
Getting back on track...here's what Stein from ESPN.com. Mentions Brad as an unlikely possibility:
Forwards: Dirk Nowitzki and Chris Webber

The case: Kevin Garnett is so consumed by winning that I suspect even he didn't protest too loudly Tuesday night when he heard on ESPN2 that the NBA Nation crew would have voted for Nowitzki as the West's other starter at forward alongside Tim Duncan. That's because KG, like me, puts team success above all else. Yet there's no shame for Nowitzki losing out to Duncan and Garnett in the fan vote, as both are playing at their usual MVP standard and because every good forward in the West knows there isn't much chance of unseating one of those two in the balloting process. Nowitzki's success as the fast-emerging leader of the new Mavericks nonetheless makes him an obvious first choice in this category, and Webber beats out the typically deep field of frontcourt contenders for the second slot because the Kings, at 31-14 despite their thinned-out bench, have to have an All-Star. And Webber is the most sensible Kings choice, having maintained his effectiveness and versatility (as well as drastically improving his free-throw shooting) despite the physical limitations imposed on him by ongoing knee trouble.


Center: Amare Stoudemire

The case: Stoudemire prefers to be known as a forward, but he's a center by default for the Suns and thus an instant selection here. The coaches, remember, do not have to strictly follow the All-Star ballot when making their picks ... as long as the player in question really plays multiple positions. Stoudemire has been so impressive that he'll claim this spot in even fewer than 10 seconds, although Sacramento's Brad Miller deserves some kudos for making a nice late run.
 
i really don't think any of the writers/analysts are gonna end up being right about the reserves in the west...i think the coaches are gonna surprise a lot of people
 
kperica said:
Getting back on track...here's what Stein from ESPN.com. Mentions Brad as an unlikely possibility:
Forwards: Dirk Nowitzki and Chris Webber

The case: Kevin Garnett is so consumed by winning that I suspect even he didn't protest too loudly Tuesday night when he heard on ESPN2 that the NBA Nation crew would have voted for Nowitzki as the West's other starter at forward alongside Tim Duncan. That's because KG, like me, puts team success above all else. Yet there's no shame for Nowitzki losing out to Duncan and Garnett in the fan vote, as both are playing at their usual MVP standard and because every good forward in the West knows there isn't much chance of unseating one of those two in the balloting process. Nowitzki's success as the fast-emerging leader of the new Mavericks nonetheless makes him an obvious first choice in this category, and Webber beats out the typically deep field of frontcourt contenders for the second slot because the Kings, at 31-14 despite their thinned-out bench, have to have an All-Star. And Webber is the most sensible Kings choice, having maintained his effectiveness and versatility (as well as drastically improving his free-throw shooting) despite the physical limitations imposed on him by ongoing knee trouble.


Center: Amare Stoudemire

The case: Stoudemire prefers to be known as a forward, but he's a center by default for the Suns and thus an instant selection here. The coaches, remember, do not have to strictly follow the All-Star ballot when making their picks ... as long as the player in question really plays multiple positions. Stoudemire has been so impressive that he'll claim this spot in even fewer than 10 seconds, although Sacramento's Brad Miller deserves some kudos for making a nice late run.
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I actually think Stein has the analysis about right. Webb is in, and they cheat by swinging Stoudemire over to center (which is actually where he lines up this year).
 
Bricklayer said:
I actually think Stein has the analysis about right. Webb is in, and they cheat by swinging Stoudemire over to center (which is actually where he lines up this year).
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But if they swing Stoudemire over to center, where does that leave Brad? Not that I mind, actually, because you know how I feel about the All-Star game, but I think Brad has proven he's worthy of being selected.
 
VF21 said:
But if they swing Stoudemire over to center, where does that leave Brad? Not that I mind, actually, because you know how I feel about the All-Star game, but I think Brad has proven he's worthy of being selected.
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It leaves Brad out.

Last couple of weeks he's made a case for himself, but really, homerism aside, 15pts 9rebs really aren't All-Star numbers. The only reason he's even remotely considered is because he's a center. So I have a suspicion they will move the 25ppg Stoudemire over to center so they can dip deeper into the well of 20/10 forwards that dominate the league right now.
 
Bricklayer said:
It leaves Brad out.

Last couple of weeks he's made a case for himself, but really, homerism aside, 15pts 9rebs really aren't All-Star numbers. The only reason he's even remotely considered is because he's a center. So I have a suspicion they will move the 25ppg Stoudemire over to center so they can dip deeper into the well of 20/10 forwards that dominate the league right now.
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Exactly, considering the fact that there are so many good forwards in the West, if they can get away with putting one at center, then I think they can and should do so.
 
Folsom Al said:
Just gets kinda old people taking pokes-n-jabs without any backbone.
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Relax, Al. He did use the winking (as in...just kidding) emoticon. :)
 
I do like Peja a lot but based on this years play honestly he doesn't belong in the all star game. Cwebb does for sure based on numbers alone. Not trying to knock Peja as I am a P supporter.
 
I don't think Webber vs. Peja in here is as much against Peja as it is Webber. Most of the kings fans that praise Webber are just taking up for him because of the Peja homers. Hell I am just a kings fans weather it be Webber, Peja, Shaq,
Afernee Hardaway i don't care. I just do not understand how people watch and ENJOY the game thinking the whole time. "Hey you see that #4 guy that is scoreing 21points 10 reb and 6 assist i want him off this team because Peja doesn't get 30 when that #4 plays. THAT is absolutley stupid. Then when Peja does score 30 to come here and gloat saying he is better than Webber this that and this. What sense does that make. I wish there was some way that Webber and Peja could slight the fans that put them against each other. Just come out and say you fans that compare us constantly and dog the other one are ignorant and we don't want you as kings fans go to LA they are used to that there, don't bring that **** to arco.
 
I think Brad is better than Yao Ming, and Bibby is better than Nash. However, I hope none of our players go to the Allstar Game.

I am sorry, but I hope some of these Allstar, media hype, heros pull some injuries. Our best guys have had to suffer through serious injuries for too many years. These injuries really bug me. I just want the Kings to beat San Antonio, and it won't happen unless we get our WHOLE team back. Adelman seldom gets much credit for guiding the U.C. Davis Hospital pick-up squad into the playoffs every year. The Kings get no respect. It's all related to injuries.
 
No matter how big a homer you are, you can't honestly say that Bibby is better than Nash.

Yao Ming is a bit of a dissapointment right now, he can and should get a whole lot better than staying at the level he is at now.
 
Geoff said:
No matter how big a homer you are, you can't honestly say that Bibby is better than Nash.

Yao Ming is a bit of a dissapointment right now, he can and should get a whole lot better than staying at the level he is at now.
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Overall this year(so far) maybe^^ but... end of a playoff game... your teams down 2... 5 seconds left... you can inbound to Bibby or Nash... who's better??
 
KP said:
Overall this year(so far) maybe^^ but... end of a playoff game... your teams down 2... 5 seconds left... you can inbound to Bibby or Nash... who's better??
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I'd rather have Bibby take the shot, but I'd have much (MUCH) more confidence in Nash getting open for a good look. He's much quicker with the ball than Bibby, and much better at beating his man off the dribble without the assistance of a pick. Probably six of one, half dozen of the other in the end, imho.
 
4cwebb said:
I'd rather have Bibby take the shot, but I'd have much (MUCH) more confidence in Nash getting open for a good look. He's much quicker with the ball than Bibby, and much better at beating his man off the dribble without the assistance of a pick. Probably six of one, half dozen of the other in the end, imho.
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You win the game you win the NBA championship... no other thought in your mind... you can pick one... who do you inbound the ball too?
 
KP said:
You win the game you win the NBA championship... no other thought in your mind... you can pick one... who do you inbound the ball too?
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moot point til one of them gets into that situation. neither has been there, so we dont really know, do we? ;)
 
Padrino said:
moot point til one of them gets into that situation. neither has been there, so we dont really know, do we? ;)
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I'm saying if the situation was there silly... why won't anyone answer the question?!
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(they've both been in big playoff games, draw your conclusion from that..)
 
Come on people, don't kid yourselves...Peja is not an all star this year. This is one of his worst years (ahhh...probably THE WORST as a starter) in the NBA.
 
KP said:
You win the game you win the NBA championship... no other thought in your mind... you can pick one... who do you inbound the ball too?
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If the defense knows that this guy is taking the shot, Nash. He's better at getting a good look for himself even if the defense knows it's coming.

If my team has a big guy that will take all the attention off of the PG by running a pick and roll (like Dirk, CWebb or Duncan), I'll take Bibby (although if I'm the defensive coach I'm forcing CWebb to take an 18 footer before I'm giving one to Bibby or Nash in that instance).

[Yes, I'm still on the fence]
 
4cwebb said:
If the defense knows that this guy is taking the shot, Nash. He's better at getting a good look for himself even if the defense knows it's coming.

If my team has a big guy that will take all the attention off of the PG by running a pick and roll (like Dirk, CWebb or Duncan), I'll take Bibby (although if I'm the defensive coach I'm forcing CWebb to take an 18 footer before I'm giving one to Bibby or Nash in that instance).

[Yes, I'm still on the fence]
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At least you answered!
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So you say Nash?
...wait what about Marion or Amare or Richardson they don't draw any attention? As far as letting Webber take the shot, that worked out real good for the Bucks and Houston huh??
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(except those were 22 footers)
 
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