It gets better with age. Usually:

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I was having a converstation with my son on the phone the other day and what we were talking about coinsided with some of the frustration at times on the fourm. Thusly inspired, I decided to do a little reseach. First I'm going to list the eastern conference and western conference by average age of the players on the team. Your welcome to guess which age belongs to which team. Then I'll put names to the ages..​

EASTERN CONFERENCE

Average age of team:

29.6
27.8
27.6
27.0
27.0
26.8
26.3
26.3
26.2
25.8
25.7
25.4
25.4
24.6
24.5

WESTERN CONFERENCE

28.6
28.5
28.4
27.4
27.1
27.0
26.8
25.9
25.8
25.5
25.4
24.6
24.4
24.0
23.6
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If you done guessing which team belongs to which age just check below: By the way, I'm sorry to do it this way but for the life of me I can't figure out how to do orderly collumns side by side without it all combining into a big mess. Anyway, I continue:
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EASTERN CONFERENCE
Average age

29.6 - Heat
27.8 - Celtics
27.6 - Magic
27.0 - Bulls
27.0 - Bobcats
26.8 - Hawks
26.3 - Bucks
26.3 - Pistons
26.2 - Cav's
25.8 - Pacers
25.7 - 76er's
25.4 - Net's
25.4 - Raptors
24.6 - Knicks
24.5 - Wizards

WESTERN CONFERENCE
Average age

28.6 - Lakers
28.5 - Nuggets
28.4 - Mavericks
27.4 - Spurs
27.1 - Rockets
27.0 - Jazz
26.8 - Suns
25.9 - Hornets
25.8 - Trailblazers
25.5 - Warriors
25.4 - Clippers
24.6 - Kings
24.4 - Thunder
24.0 - Grizzleys
23.6 - Timberwolves
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So why did I do this. Well I think you can see that there's a direct relationship between having an older experienced team and winning. There are a couple of exceptions of course, with the Thunder being the biggest one. But then again, we'll have to see if last year was an apparition, or the real thing.

Its easy to see that you just don't win a championship with a young and unexperienced team. You have to earn your spurs, no pun intended. When people on the fourm complain that Casspi didn't do a good job of defending Kobe, or that Cousins struggled against Gasol. My question to those people is, what did you expect? Please preytell, just who is it that defends Kobe?

What I'm trying to say is that you have to have reasonable expectations. Its no accident that most of the youngest teams are at the bottom looking up. So the question is, does your young team have the talent to be a top team when it matures? In the case of the Thunder, and perhaps the Grizzleys, it appears so. I believe thats true of the Kings and the Clippers as well. Right now, I'm not sure about the Timberwolves and they're the youngest team in the NBA.

The Knicks and the Kings are the same age. You tell me which team you'd rather have? Anyway, when the Kings play the Lakers, or the Heat, or any of the top teams, its fine
to hope for a win, and perhaps we'll actually catch one of them by surprise, or tired and pull off a couple of upsets. But don't get down on your team because you just got beat by a better one. Don't criticize Cousins just because he got outplayed by an all star with years of experience. Remember, there's a distinct difference between CAN'T, and HAVEN'T LEARNED YET. Thats where we are as a team and also as individual players.​
 
I saw, I believe in one of the games, that we actually have the youngest starting lineup. Pretty crazy.

Edit: Well, not anymore now that Dally is put into the starting lineup.
 
Very nice bajaden. I think it's useful especially for some of the youngins on the board.

I'm pretty shocked though by Miami. The oldest? Older than Boston? I guess they must have a lot of ancient bench guys on their team.
 
They brought Stackhouse back from the dead, along with Big Z and Juwon Howard. Those three alone probably account for most of it. Even if you look at service time instead of average age though, we're probably way down at the bottom of the list.
 
hrdboild said:
They brought Stackhouse back from the dead, along with Big Z and Juwon Howard. Those three alone probably account for most of it. Even if you look at service time instead of average age though, we're probably way down at the bottom of the list.
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they actually touched on this during the espn broadcast of our game the other day. We have the 6th youngest team in the league and like the 2nd least experienced team.

Great thread, good to keep things like this in perspective. I think we all need to have a little patience.
 
I think that patience is key. I know the Kings front office and staff have patience. The cards are all falling into place. Even if there are those who dont like how slowly they are shuffled. It seriously takes time to build a winner. The Kings are going the right route. Building through the draft is the best way to build a team for the long haul. Free agency is only good if you have a good enough team to attract a good free agent and you are only one or 2 pieces away from making a championship run. It is not the way to build a team. I think that Miami will find that out the hard way in the long run. Boston only has maybe one more shot this year and then their team will disintegrate into a 50 loss team for several years. A Post Free Agent Hangover if you will. I think the Kings are a year or 2 away from making a big splash in free agency and I think after the new CBA is signed it might even be easier for the Kings to get the talent they need to take the next step. The Fakers have been given unusual help in that they were given an all star center without giving anything in return. It was a total fix. There were several teams who would have given Memphis much much more for Gasol, yet somehow Pao ended up in LA. That really smells like price fixing or even gerrymandering. It certainly smells of a rat.

But back to the Kings. I really think they will continue to build their team and the reputations of their players so that they can start getting fair calls during games and have a shot at competing. Rookies and young players generally have to go through a process of rookie fouls before they are respected enough by the refs to get consideration during games. More drafts and eventually free agency will give the Kings more talent and eventually they will make the playoffs and go from there. I like the way Geoff Petrie is building this team. I just hope he can hold all this talent together long enough to reach the payoff.
 
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hey guys i heard we need to play our older guys who wont be on the team next year and block development so we can get some grit on the floor.
 
Having your veteran coach know that putting your best player on Kobe Bryant is going to put him into foul trouble and negate him as a factor for many minutes of a game is a reasonable expectation.
 
I think Westphal put him on kobe because he wanted to limit the playing time because of the ankle plus he wanted reke to learn how to guard kobe...:confused:
 
OptimusRhyme said:
if i ever see JT at sf again im gonna break something
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I was ready to wait for Coach Westphal at the parking lot tonight. This game and the Lakers game SCREAMED for Donte Greene to at least be given a chance to play his way back into the rotation.
 
The Kings are a young squad and I think with time they can learn how to play together. This is Tyreke's second season, DMC's first, and the team has added new players that still have to adjust. This is Landry's first full season with the team, having come over in a deal last season. Sammy D is starting out fresh with this team and coach as well. D Jackson is a new additional frontline reserve. Garcia is returning from being out most of last year with a broken arm. Casspi is just now also entering his second season. So, this is a team that has barely any experience together, so just give it time.
 
Landry needs to be coming off the bench however you cut it. The team needs a solid rebounding/defending PF more than it needs anything else. I sure wish JT would 'get it'. Other than that this team needs experience. So, no panic here.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
It gets better with $$$$$$$$$$, too. http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
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What you are not getting is most of the $$$ are already on the team, just young and on their rookie contracts. When it comes time to pay these guys, its going to take every bit of capsapce we've got. Add a random big $$ piece, and the only way to afford it will be to start throwing other peices that will cost us in the future overboard. You don't do that until you know which pieces are fine china and which are Corningware. And you find that out by playing the kids and seeing who sinks and who swims.
 
Bricklayer said:
What you are not getting is most of the $$$ are already on the team, just young and on their rookie contracts. When it comes time to pay these guys, its going to take every bit of capsapce we've got. Add a random big $$ piece, and the only way to afford it will be to start throwing other peices that will cost us in the future overboard. You don't do that until you know which pieces are fine china and which are Corningware. And you find that out by playing the kids and seeing who sinks and who swims.
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No I get that. But the thing is, no one on this team other than Typere and possibly DMC is ever going to command top money. It's not like they've got a roster full of 5 or 6 future all stars they have to resign.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
It gets better with $$$$$$$$$$, too. http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
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It depends on when and who you use it on. You put together your team core through the draft (that's how it usually works) and then spend money to pay them and add on any role players from there. It's very rare to have a Boston Celtics type buildup and who knows if Miami is going to work. Sacramento is a small market team and they should build their team the way the Spurs did and the way OKC is doing it.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
No I get that. But the thing is, no one on this team other than Typere and possibly DMC is ever going to command top money. It's not like they've got a roster full of 5 or 6 future all stars they have to resign.
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You really don't need 5 or 6. All you need is a couple, and then nice complimentry pieces around them. Point is, we really don't know how good Cousins is going to be. Ditto Casspi or hopefully Greene. For all we know Whiteside could end up being the best of them all . So until we know, its all just speculation. I have my beliefs, but they're worth about what you'd pay me for them. You can't judge these young players on the short history you have of them.

Let me give you an example. Here are the first year stats of two players. One is Rudy Gay, who everyone is now in love with after he almost single handedly killed us saturday night. The other is Omri Casspi. By no means am I infering that Casspi will become our Rudy Gay. What I'm saying is that just judging by a players first year, its very hard to predict just how good he'll become.

Gay: 27 MPG, 10.9 PPG, 42.2% FGP, 36.4% 3PP, 4.5 RPG, 1.3 APG, 1.8 TPG

Casspi: 25 MPG, 10.3 PPG, 44.6% FGP, 37% 3PP, 4.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 1.3 TPG

Amazingly similar stats don't you think. As I said, it doesn't mean that Casspi will become as good as Gay. It doesn't mean he won't either. Point is, we don't know, and we won't know for some time yet. Because thats what it takes, Time.

What I find somewhat amusing is that its the younger posters for the most part that have the least patience. Whats strange about that is that they have the most time to be patient. And yet its I, who have the least amount of time that has the patience. Sort of ironic don't you think? Still, its always been that way. One of God's little jokes.
 
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bajaden said:
You really don't need 5 or 6. All you need is a couple, and then nice complimentry pieces around them. Point is, we really don't know how good Cousins is going to be. Ditto Casspi or hopefully Greene. For all we know Whiteside could end up being the best of them all . So until we know, its all just speculation. I have my beliefs, but they're worth about what you'd pay me for them. Point is, you can't judge these young players on the short history you have of them.

Let me give you an example. Here are the first year stats of two players. One is Rudy Gay, who everyone is now in love with after he almost single handedly killed us saturday night. The other is Omri Casspi. By no means am I infering that Casspi will become our Rudy Gay. What I'm saying is that just judging by a players first year, its very hard to predict just how good he'll become.

Gay: 27 MPG, 10.9 PPG, 42.2% FGP, 36.4% 3PP, 4.5 RPG, 1.3 APG, 1.8 TPG

Casspi: 25 MPG, 10.3 PPG, 44.6% FGP, 37% 3PP, 4.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 1.3 TPG

Amazingly similar stats don't you think. As I said, it doesn't mean that Casspi will become as good as Gay. It doesn't mean he won't either. Point is, we don't know, and we won't know for some time yet. Because thats what it takes, Time.

What I find somewhat amusing is that its the younger posters for the most part that have the least patience. Whats strange about that is that they have the most time to be patient. And yet its I, who have the least amount of time that has the patience. Sort of ironic don't you think? Still, its always been that way. One of God's little jokes.
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I haven't really noticed a correlation between age and patience as far as attitude about The Kings rebuilding process goes. I'm not that familiar with this forum yet though. I'm 36 and in my case, age has nothing to do my stance. I'm just tired of seeing what seem to me like timid, frugal, and sometimes stupid moves on the part of Kings ownership/management. This goes back a lot further than this year. My current attitude has taken a long time to develop and is a culmination of things like foolishly firing Rick Addelman, foolishly trying to make Kevin Martin the franchise player. Not signing Bonzi, trading away our best players in Bibby and Artest and getting nothing in value in return, etc. etc. Then you add on top of all that, playing it safe in free agency and relying entirely on draft picks panning out and it's not too hard to understand why someone could easily be disgusted as a fan.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
I haven't really noticed a correlation between age and patience as far as attitude about The Kings rebuilding process goes. I'm not that familiar with this forum yet though. I'm 36 and in my case, age has nothing to do my stance. I'm just tired of seeing what seem to me like timid, frugal, and sometimes stupid moves on the part of Kings ownership/management. This goes back a lot further than this year. My current attitude has taken a long time to develop and is a culmination of things like foolishly firing Rick Addelman, foolishly trying to make Kevin Martin the franchise player. Not signing Bonzi, trading away our best players in Bibby and Artest and getting nothing in value in return, etc. etc. Then you add on top of all that, playing it safe in free agency and relying entirely on draft picks panning out and it's not too hard to understand why someone could easily be disgusted as a fan.
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If Bonzi agreed to the contract Petrie offered, we would have been in a much deeper whole than we were. That was blind luck Bonzi turned tht deal down. I don't think he made more than $4M the rest of his career.
 
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