Grades v. Rockets 11/06

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Peja ( B+ ) -- very encouraging performance despite the overall shooting numbers. Started the game really struggling with his shot, but for the first time this season we saw some passion from him. Started aggressively attacking the rim, and was playing some excellent defense from the very beginning of the game. Made some huge plays on Mcgrady down the stretch. Rebounding sucked -- 6'9" guy plays 48min and grabs 2 rebs?? But postives far outweighed the negatives tonight.
Webb ( B ) -- set aside the shooting for a moment, and this was a very strong performance. Legs looked positively lively, and showed unusual mobility on defense and hustle around the boards. Shots he took weren't bad either. Just could not get them to fall. Most of the misses were open jumpers in the offense. Got smart as the game went along and started to pass up the J, even if open, to dump it to Bibby and Peja. Became more of a distributor. Some exciting swoops to the basket -- inside game is looking good. Might have forced a few late trying to carry us, but kept on spotting in hits, grabbed some big boards, stayed with it. Missed the one to tie it in the last 24, fought for the board and missed the tip. Good attempt. No go.
Miller ( B- ) -- not a huge game, but played well within what we were trying to do. Still having some rebounding issues -- not sure what it is right now but he's just not snatching the ball and a lot of them are getting away from him. Having his problems in there against Ming -- battled him, but could not stop him. Hit the open jumpers, was battling white man's disease when he got near the rim.
Christie ( B- ) -- helped get us off on the right foot -- haha get it! foot! -- oh, anyway. Some good energy and got on the boards for us. While Bobby was solid tonight, I thought we could have used a little more Doug late rather than the two PG lineup.
Bibby ( A ) -- great great game by Mike. Kept up the scorching shooting from the Spurs agme. But more than that, rebounded, played respectable defense, hustled, and made smart plays throughout. No "+" because we lost, and there were jsut too many people popping open for threes on the perimeter int he second half.
BJax ( B- ) -- much calmer effort by Bobby. Still took a few ill-advised shots, but hey, that's Bobby. Nowhere near his best -- not a huge impact game. But a solid contributor tonight and his usual hustle -- stole the tip to start OT.
Barnes ( B- ) -- came in a little wild -- could see the lack of polish. But hustled and provided a nice defensive boost from the beginning, and settled in as a dependable force for the rest of the game. Just well suited to our system -- can play a complete game AND hustle. Think we have a real find, even when he isn't providing huge numbers. Could see in the early 4th quarter the potential for Bobby/Tag/Barnes to provide a hustling.
Ostertag ( C+ ) -- not hugely effective, but hustled around, set some big picks. Nothing to write home about, but starting to show some of the areas he can contribute in.
Songaila ( C+ ) -- didn't hurt us, but really barely noticed him. Grabbed a few boards, but not really involved offensively. Was skipped over in the rotation in the second half as we went with a Webb/Brad/Tag trio.

Adelman ( B- ) -- you know, if there is such a thing as a "good loss" this might be it. We should NOT have lost it -- nto with a 15pt 3rd quarter lead. But we did so many things so much better in this game -- rebounded, defended, were more patient on offesne, played together -- that I am ok. Good building block for the rest of the season. Only real complaints with Rick were 1) where was Doug late? 2) we really needed to make an adjustment to stop those three point bombs. Won the game for Houston. Solid rotations though. good game plan. And the team was ready to play. Just poor shooting nights again by its two biggest stars. But we played the game right. Earned a win tonight. Just did not get it.
 
Adelman (FFFFFF) for the last minute of regulation. My grandmother new what would happen. Sad - very sad
 
A little too generous for Adelman. I wouldn't have given him an "F," but you can't get as high as a "B+" when your team blows a 15-point second half lead. Otherwise, I agree.
 
Petrie/Maloofs/Adelman - F for getting rid of/not giving a chance to Gerald Wallace (it would have been SIMPLE to keep him); he had a very good game in an actual win for Charlotte (the first of many). Meanwhile the Kings have one of the bottom 5 benches in the NBA.
 
RangerC said:
... Meanwhile the Kings have one of the bottom 5 benches in the NBA.
Come now. That's not even based in reality; there's still at least fifteen teams in the league with a worse bench than Sacramento. As weak as our bench has become, we're still in the top half, and probably in the top third.
 
Pretty much agree with the grades. They played well on a lot of areas but didn't seem to play to win--just for the heck of playing well or improving on the aforementioned areas. Poise was questionable esp. during the Rockets' run in the third. Fire in'em fizzled out & looked lost. Perimeter D was suspect in OT but was very impressive in the 1st half. The guy to beat us? Charlie Ward. Must he be the one?






Go KINGS!
 
C4_Stojakovic said:
...The guy to beat us? Charlie Ward. Must he be the one?
I prefer it that way, and I wouldn't be surprised if the team did, too. Let's be honest: the Rockets' only two real offensive options are Ming and McGrady (with Jim Jackson bringing up the rear in a distant third, I guess). Those guys had good games, but were contained by good Sacramento defense down the stretch. When you're playing against a team that has superstars, you want to make somebody on that team other than the superstars beat you. Giving up the ghost to Charlie F. Ward qualifies as an "acceptable loss," if there is such a thing.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
I prefer it that way, and I wouldn't be surprised if the team did, too. Let's be honest: the Rockets' only two real offensive options are Ming and McGrady (with Jim Jackson bringing up the rear in a distant third, I guess). Those guys had good games, but were contained by good Sacramento defense down the stretch. When you're playing against a team that has superstars, you want to make somebody on that team other than the superstars beat you. Giving up the ghost to Charlie F. Ward qualifies as an "acceptable loss," if there is such a thing.

i see your point Slim. was just thinking that it was negligence to have to give up back2back 3's to Charlie Ward in OT's dying moments.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Come now. That's not even based in reality; there's still at least fifteen teams in the league with a worse bench than Sacramento. As weak as our bench has become, we're still in the top half, and probably in the top third.
The Kings have ONE above average bench player at the moment (Bobby Jackson). Right now their only backup swingman is a virtual rookie who has had trouble sticking in the NBA (I do like Barnes, but not as the Kings' 7th man), their backup bigmen are an injured Ostertag (who has played well in every 5th game throughout his career) and Songaila (looked horrible so far and IMO remains a terrible fit for this team - another slow, poor finishing, non-shotblocking big man is not what the Kings need). The deep bench has 2 rookies and a virtual rookie. It's a far cry from 2 years ago, when Damon Jones was the 12th man. I honestly can't see 5 benches worse than the Kings at the moment (the Kings are probably in a 2 or 3 way virtual tie for 5th, but that's hardly a ringing endorsement).
 
I'll buy those grades. Before the game I said I'd take an ugly win, looks like we got something akin to a good looking loss. The team played a lot better than than they did the past 2 games.
 
way too high for adelman- i'd say we give him a D. he coached well for the first half (heck- let's give him a B+), but if he isn't able to adapt to houston's new offensive strategy, he gets an overwhelming F. averages out to a D.

let's face it- adelman couldn't win with portland back in the 90's, i don't know if he's the right guy for sacramento.
 
I agree with the grades for the most part, although I might give CWebb a B- for taking shots in the 4th quarter that probably should have gone to Bibby first or Peja second.

I'd also certainly drop Adelman to a C of some sort, but that's a glass is half-empty look at things.

As for the Charlie Ward threes, he's clearly the 5th option on offense when he's on the floor, and with Yao rolling the way he was rolling in the 4th quarter, you have to double the guy, not to mention shade toward TMac when he has the ball in his hands, so Ward should get tons of open looks. Had them late in the 3rd quarter and just couldn't hit them. If Ward and/or Lue can shoot the three consistently from their spots on the floor, Houston will probably get 5 to 10 more wins this season than if they can't. Have to live with Charlie Ward beating you.
 
RangerC said:
The Kings have ONE above average bench player at the moment (Bobby Jackson). Right now their only backup swingman is a virtual rookie who has had trouble sticking in the NBA (I do like Barnes, but not as the Kings' 7th man), their backup bigmen are an injured Ostertag (who has played well in every 5th game throughout his career) and Songaila (looked horrible so far and IMO remains a terrible fit for this team - another slow, poor finishing, non-shotblocking big man is not what the Kings need).
Baloonjuice. There are few teams in the NBA with more than one quality 6th man coming off the bench, let alone any other decent role players. I will happily take Bobby Jackson, Darius Songaila, Greg Ostertag and Matt Barnes ten times out of ten ahead of:

Atlanta Hawks: Predrag Drobnjak, Josh Childress, Jon Barry, Kevin Willis
Boston Celtics: Jiri Welsch, Tom Gugliotta, Marcus Banks, Al Jefferson
Charlotte Bobcats: Jason Hart, Melvin Ely, Jason Kapono, Steve Smith
Chicago Bulls: Luol Deng, Othella Harrington, Tyson Chandler, Chris Duhon
Cleveland Cavaliers: Robert Traylor, Eric Snow, Ira Newble, Scott Williams
Golden State Warriors: Derek Fisher, Dale Davis, Clifford Robinson, Eduardo Najera
Los Angeles Clippers: Mikki Moore, Zeljko Rebraca, Rick Brunson, Shaun Livingston
Milwaukee Bucks: Desmond Mason, Erick Strickland, Toni Kukoc, Zaza Pachulia
New Jersey Nets: Alonzo Mourning, Aaron Williams, Brian Scalabrine, Jacque Vaughn
New Orleans Hornets: Darrell Armstrong, Chris Andersen, Rodney Rogers, JR Smith
New York Knicks: Moochie Norris, Vin Baker, Trevor Ariza, Michael Sweetney
Orlando Magic: Hedo Turkoglu, Tony Battie, Pat Garrity, Jameer Nelson
Seattle Supersonics: Antonio Daniels, Vladimir Radmanovic, Nick Collison, Damien Wilkins
Washington Wizards: Juan Dixon, Jared Jeffries, Michael Ruffin, Anthony Peeler


And at least seven times out of ten ahead of:

Houston Rockets: Juwan Howard, Dikembe Mutombo, Tyronne Lue, Bostjan Nachbar
Philadelphia 76ers: Samuel Dalembert, Corliss Williamson, Brian Skinner, Kyle Korver
Toronto Raptors: Donyell Marshall, Morris Peterson, Milt Palacio, Lamond Murray


RangerC said:
... The deep bench has 2 rookies and a virtual rookie...
I never said that our bench was "deep." I said that it was better than half the benches in the NBA... and it is. I think you don't have a proper appreciation for just how bad some benches are; I get the sense that you are comparing the depth of our bench against your expectations for the team, and concluding that the bench "must" be bad. Sorry, but that's not the way it works.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Baloonjuice. There are few teams in the NBA with more than one quality 6th man coming off the bench, let alone any other decent role players. I will happily take Bobby Jackson, Darius Songaila, Greg Ostertag and Matt Barnes ten times out of ten ahead of:



Atlanta Hawks: Predrag Drobnjak, Josh Childress, Jon Barry, Kevin Willis

Ok, that's a given.

Boston Celtics: Jiri Welsch, Tom Gugliotta, Marcus Banks, Al Jefferson


Close, but Boston has far superior players on its deep bench. The development of Jefferson will swing this one one way or the other.

Charlotte Bobcats: Jason Hart, Melvin Ely, Jason Kapono, Steve Smith

Worse, but sadly not by much.
Chicago Bulls: Luol Deng, Othella Harrington, Tyson Chandler, Chris Duhon


Another one that's contingent on how the team's young players play. If Deng keeps it up and Chandler plays like he did early in last season, this bench is MUCH better.

Cleveland Cavaliers: Robert Traylor, Eric Snow, Ira Newble, Scott Williams


Probably a little worse, but their deep bench is better.

Golden State Warriors: Derek Fisher, Dale Davis, Clifford Robinson, Eduardo Najera


Fisher < Jackson, but Davis and Robinson are better than Songalia and Ostertag, and Najera > Barnes. I'll take the Warriors by a nose.

Los Angeles Clippers: Mikki Moore, Zeljko Rebraca, Rick Brunson, Shaun Livingston

Once Kittles and Kaman are back (neither is seriously injured), Wilcox and Simmons move to the bench. Clippers bench > Kings bench at that point.


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Milwaukee Bucks: Desmond Mason, Erick Strickland, Toni Kukoc, Zaza Pachulia
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Mason is a wash with Bobby Jackson, Kukoc is better than anyone else on the Kings bench. Their bigs are also horrid, so it's pretty close here.


New Jersey Nets: Alonzo Mourning, Aaron Williams, Brian Scalabrine, Jacque Vaughn


Probably worse.

New Orleans Hornets: Darrell Armstrong, Chris Andersen, Rodney Rogers, JR Smith


Don't forget David West (better than any of the Kings' bench bigs). If Rogers is in decent shape, I'd take NO's bench.

New York Knicks: Moochie Norris, Vin Baker, Trevor Ariza, Michael Sweetney

Worse, I guess.
Orlando Magic: Hedo Turkoglu, Tony Battie, Pat Garrity, Jameer Nelson
Seattle Supersonics: Antonio Daniels, Vladimir Radmanovic, Nick Collison, Damien Wilkins


Close, probably two of those 3 or 4 teams tied with the Kings for 5th worst bench.

Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Washington Wizards: Juan Dixon, Jared Jeffries, Michael Ruffin, Anthony Peeler

If Dixon keeps his early play up, this bench is clearly better once they get healthy (Etan Thomas).

Mr. S£im Citrus said:
And at least seven times out of ten ahead of:

Houston Rockets: Juwan Howard, Dikembe Mutombo, Tyronne Lue, Bostjan Nachbar
Philadelphia 76ers: Samuel Dalembert, Corliss Williamson, Brian Skinner, Kyle Korver
Toronto Raptors: Donyell Marshall, Morris Peterson, Milt Palacio, Lamond Murray

All of these benches are a full notch above (remember that Sura will be back soon for the Rockets).

Mr. S£im Citrus said:
I never said that our bench was "deep." I said that it was better than half the benches in the NBA... and it is. I think you don't have a proper appreciation for just how bad some benches are; I get the sense that you are comparing the depth of our bench against your expectations for the team, and concluding that the bench "must" be bad. Sorry, but that's not the way it works.
No, the bench is horrid. I think the problem is that Songaila and Ostertag have been vastly overrated on this board. Songalia isn't a worthless player, but his skillset is the exact opposite of what the Kings need. Ostertag is mostly horrible, and without Sloan to goad him into the occasional good game, I expect absolutely nothing from him (he looks to be in horrible shape, as well). It's Bobby Jackson and a bunch of junk; that's all; and the only hope is that Matt Barnes breaks out (I hope it will happen, but I'm not holding my breath).
 
RangerC said:
Boston Celtics: Jiri Welsch, Tom Gugliotta, Marcus Banks, Al Jefferson
Close, but Boston has far superior players on its deep bench. The development of Jefferson will swing this one one way or the other.
The "far superior" players you refer to that I did not mention consist of Walter F. McCarty, Tony Allen and Kendrick Brown. I'm not impressed. As far as "the development of Jefferson," you could apply the same logic to the development of Kevin Martin. If Martin pans out, Jackson, Songaila, Barnes, Martin and Ostertag are "far superior" to McCarty, Gugliotta, Welsch, Banks and Jefferson... Nobody else is worth mentioning; any team that actually relies on its twelfth man is irrelevant.

RangerC said:
Chicago Bulls: Luol Deng, Othella Harrington, Tyson Chandler, Chris Duhon
... Another one that's contingent on how the team's young players play. If Deng keeps it up and Chandler plays like he did early in last season, this bench is MUCH better...
Horse****. Their talent is unproven, and is currently a level below at best. And even if they get a chance to get more minutes or whatever than our reserves, that is only because their starters are far inferior to ours. Players like them don't get any PT on a good team... and the reason is because they stink.

RangerC said:
Cleveland Cavaliers: Robert Traylor, Eric Snow, Ira Newble, Scott Williams
Probably a little worse, but their deep bench is better.
They don't have a deep bench; that's the whole point. Songaila = Traylor, Jackson >> Snow, Barnes = Newble and Ostertag = Williams. No one else on Cleveland's bench is relevant, no matter how "deep" it is.

RangerC said:
Fisher < Jackson, but Davis and Robinson are better than Songalia and Ostertag, and Najera > Barnes. I'll take the Warriors by a nose.
Better how? What makes Robinson and Davis better than Songaila and Ostertag? They might have been better over the course of their careers, but not in 2004.

Najera is crafty and tenacious, but otherwise useless. He has only ever been valuable against lazier players, because he outhustles them. Barnes is not lazier than Najera; he is also more talented.


RangerC said:
Once Kittles and Kaman are back (neither is seriously injured), Wilcox and Simmons move to the bench. Clippers bench > Kings bench at that point.
I'll believe it when I see it. This is a point-of-view situation; you think their bench is better than ours. I think ours is better. Only time will tell...


RangerC said:
Milwaukee Bucks: Desmond Mason, Erick Strickland, Toni Kukoc, Zaza Pachulia
Mason is a wash with Bobby Jackson, Kukoc is better than anyone else on the Kings bench.
Maybe in 1998 he was. Maybe even last season he was. Not this season. Probably not ever again. Kukoc is a 10th man at this stage in his career. Songaila is a 7th man.

RangerC said:
Don't forget David West (better than any of the Kings' bench bigs). If Rogers is in decent shape, I'd take NO's bench.
I didn't forget David West; I just consider him overrated. If he isn't traded before the end of the season, I'll be very surprised. Rogers in decent shape? Excuse me a moment...


BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Okay now, where was I?


RangerC said:
... If Dixon keeps his early play up...
He won't. You watch what I tell you.

RangerC said:
... this bench is clearly better once they get healthy (Etan Thomas).
Whenever that is.

RangerC said:
All of these benches are a full notch above (remember that Sura will be back soon for the Rockets).
I wouldn't put any of those benches "a full notch above" Sacramento's. And, just as with the other examples you cited, I did not *forget* about Sura; McGrady is going to play forty-five minutes a game; exactly how useful do you think Sura is going to be for this team? He's not going to be able to put up the same numbers for Houston that he did in Atlanta. In fact, Sura has never put up good numbers on a good team; he didn't in Cleveland, he didn't in Detroit, and he won't in Houston.

RangerC said:
No, the bench is horrid. I think the problem is that Songaila and Ostertag have been vastly overrated on this board. Songalia isn't a worthless player, but his skillset is the exact opposite of what the Kings need. Ostertag is mostly horrible, and without Sloan to goad him into the occasional good game, I expect absolutely nothing from him (he looks to be in horrible shape, as well). It's Bobby Jackson and a bunch of junk; that's all; and the only hope is that Matt Barnes breaks out (I hope it will happen, but I'm not holding my breath).
You have an inflated sense of a lot of other team's benches, while having a very fatalistic view of our own. There's a difference between not having an elite bench and having a horrid one; our bench is not horrid.
 
Better, but still beaten part IIHow I saw this game: (it's my opinion)

Chris Webber:I'm very happy because he found his rhythm and showed what he got!Excellent game for Chris.And,he and Pedja doing great! Really nice teamwork bettween this two guys.
Well done Chris,You are tha man!:D
But he ruled two actions at the end of 4. quater...and lost some balls....BTW, I give him A-

Pedja:Excellent game,too!He was bad only in 2nd quoter.Some great steals,dunks,and threes.....like All Star player.
At the end of 4. quoter he shooted many threes,and he knew that he wasn't able to hit this. Because I'll give him B

Bibby:Great game,Mike;) ,but Kings need teamwork:mad: !
On the court,he saw only Chris .It's not 2 on 5,it's 5 on 5!
He scored a lot of points but he is very selfish. Like Bobby before two years.
So, mark is C+

Christy: I don't know...he played little time,so I can't describe his game.

Boby:He trow too much shoots,and he was missing big part of them (Like Pedja and Chris sometimes).I cannot see teamwork,too. C+
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Chris MVP on the game! I expect good game from You in next games!

I'm disappointed because I saw only one new guy (Matt).Adelman used in rotation only 3 guys(starting five+ Matt,Bobby,and Tag) and it's very strange for him....

BTW,it was good game with good teamwork (on the 2nd half) and with good atmosphere in team. (it's more important)
Better days will come soon!:cool:
 
Slim, are you saying that Ostertag in 2004 is in prime of his career? I think you missed a decade here.
 
sloter said:
Slim, are you saying that Ostertag in 2004 is in prime of his career? I think you missed a decade here.
Not sure Tag is any better or worse than he's ever been. Last season was actually a pretty good one for him, but not radically different than normal.
 
sloter said:
Slim, are you saying that Ostertag in 2004 is in prime of his career? I think you missed a decade here.
What I'm saying is that Ostertage in 2004 is a better player than Dale Davis in 2004.
 
Woops, I actually made a post adressed at Slim about our bench, but posted it in the totally unrelated Adelman thread, I forgot it was in this one:

Slim,

You're looking entirely on paper when comparing benches.

I can't speak for other teams, but the Raps bench looks terrible on paper, but are playing great. As I write this, they have almost 75% of the Raps points late in the first half vs Portland.

It's about who you have, it's how they play. Our bench stinks ont he court. The Raptors coach is doing a better job of organizing the offense than Rick Adelman is. That is pathetic. Our guys don't run plays together, take bad shots, and have no cohesion. The garbage Raps bench (who rely heavily on Palacio and Matt Bonner) actually know what they're doing, and at times outplaying the starters. Matt Bonner is hitting long 2's and 3's at C, and Milt Palacio has yet to take a bad perimiter shot at PG. Imagine that.

There are two options. 1) Our players stink. 2) They aren't prepared. And that means our cohesion, leadership, and/or coaching stinks.

Either way, it's bad news for the Kings.
 
out of those teams you named slim... how many are contenders for a 'ship? forget that, how many are going to be in the playoffs? our bench isn't horrible, but i don't expect all that much out of it.
 
I managed to watch the first half, and I could see that there was a noticable difference in terms of energy and ball movement which seemed to be lacking in the game against Dallas (which I also managed to get my hands on). Guys were running back on D, blocking out, and grabbing boards. We definately look like a much different team without Vlade in th lineup, but that might be a good thing. It was refreshing to just the see the Kings play, let alone watch them play reasonably well. They are making strides and I think we will be ok and back in the hunt soon. Go Kings!!!
 
peja16 said:
... I can't speak for other teams, but the Raps bench looks terrible on paper, but are playing great. As I write this, they have almost 75% of the Raps points late in the first half vs Portland...
Water seeks it's own level; the Raptors are playing above their heads, and they will be proven to have an average bench at best by the All-Star Break. The Kings bench, on the other hand, will improve the longer they play together.

Grobar said:
out of those teams you named slim... how many are contenders for a 'ship?
What difference does that make? The comment that was made by RangerC wasn't whether or not the Kings had the worst bench of any playoff/contender team; I wouldn't have even bothered to challenge that. His comment was that the Kings have one of the five worst benches in the entire league, which is just flat out wrong.
 
You are forgetting the Raptors Bench has (Morris Petersen, Donyell Marshall, and Lamond Murray) and their bench isnt garbage, they have basically been the catalyst behind their last 2 wins. they have erased large deficits, especially yesterday against Portland.
 
Our bench this, our bench that. It's not really going to matter too much if two of the three primary scoring options are going to shoot 8 for 21 and 9 for 26, respectively. The Kings rode a solid shooting night by Bibby to challenge for a road win, then either let Houston take the ball out of Bibby's hands at the end of the 4th, or decided that they didn't need to work to let the one guy on the team hitting more than half of his shots get a few more.
 
Truconfidence said:
You are forgetting the Raptors Bench has...
I'm not forgetting that the Raptors have anybody; Donyell Marshall will get better as the season goes on, once he get accustomed to coming off the bench again... the rest of that bench will fall off precipitously.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
I'm not forgetting that the Raptors have anybody; Donyell Marshall will get better as the season goes on, once he get accustomed to coming off the bench again... the rest of that bench will fall off precipitously.
Morris Petersen isn't a nobody either, or Lamond Murray...so i think you are underestimating.........not to take sides in the argument. But that bench is pretty good on paper to me. they may be playing "above their heads" but there is decent talent there, including 3 guys who have started and played major minutes before.
 
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truconfidence is right.

Seriously, Slim, I've seen these guys play night-in night-out for years. Mo Pete is very inconsistent, but this gameplan fits him great. He's not doing anything beyond his capabilities, he is just hitting his shots at a better rate. That's due to the fast3er gameplay, better looks, and more creative ballhandling of the guys setting him up. Milt Palacio is being given MUCH more freedom, and is doing a great job of penetrating, and getting bette rlooks for himself or his teammates. That will not change. His jumpshot is as ugly a ever, and he's still not making it.

As you said, Marshall will only get better. Lamond Murray has also been released from the doghouse, and is playing superb as well, just as he was before Kevin O'Neil. Matt Bonner of all people is consistently hitting his open shots. That will not change either, it's not as if he's dominating the stat sheets.

The Raps bench probably will outplay the Kings bench for the rest of the year, whether it be through talent or better gameplan/coaching.
 
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