[Grades] Grades v. Blazers 3/2/11

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
We interrupt the daily oh woe, where is the team going to be playing next year concerns for a little dash of normalcy.

In other words the Kings played a good team tough, then collapsed down the stretch for the loss.

The positives: DeMarcus Cousins and Marcus Thornton. And that a pretty good set of positives to have. We said goodbye to playoff aspirations in December. All this stuff now is about tryig to figure out what the team is going to look like next year. And those two guys looked great. Would love to get Reke back in time to have a little 15-20 game tryout wiht all three of them before the year is over.

Theme tonight is going to be Hail to the Little Guys, based on the observation that sports fans have a sometimes illogical love affari with the undersized players, perhaps because relatively speaking the vast majority fo sports fans are little guys themselves and want to cling to the fnatasy they could coimpete with the monsters. So I'll be going through some fo the best little guys to ever play in a variety of sports.


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Casspi ( D ) -- again with an early three -- becoming a tradition now for Omri to start the game off with a three in the early moments. Unfortunately its also becoming a tradition for that to be all that he does for a long long spell. In this one he was largely neutralized by 6'2" Andre Miller, which brought back ugly memories of Peja's inability to take advantage of smaller players. Be one thing if it was just his offense that disappeared -- there at least you can say that he is not a primary option and the ball just went other ways. But neither did he board, have many notable moments on defense, or rack up any assists. Finally got another score late in the thrid when he was guarded by Batum again, but again it led nowhere. And his final image of the game was of him dribbling downcourt out of control at the 1:30 mark, getting over excited, and throwing a terrible pass for a turnover that was near backbreaking.
Allen Iverson (6'0" 165) -- heh -- I just spent 15 minutes trying to find a single mix of this guy without a truly vile soundtrack -- natrue of the beast I suppose. In any case, for all the street cred B.S. and whatnot that fueled A.I.'s popularity, I think another huge component of it was his status as a midget in a land of giants. He was taller than the real mites liek Mugsy or Spud, but he checked in at a kick sand in your face 165lbs and as one of the primary offensive weapons in NBA history was going to take a ridiculous amount of hits from guys weighing 50-100lbs more than him over the course of his career. And for all that his controversial playing style was actively destructive of the players around him, he is generally considered the best little player of all time, and in his youth was just impossibly, unfairly quick (the little man's great equalizer).

Thompson ( B- ) -- this was another solid roleplaying effort for Jason, and we're starting to see more of these now. Games where he is keeping it simple, playing within himself and off of other guys rather than trying to force up fugly stuff. From the beginning was moving to the hoop and taking nice passes from Cousins and Thornton. Not on the glass again before half, and lost his starting role after half to Cousins. But he returend to play a solid 4th quarter for us alongisde both the centers. Played witj power on both sides of the court, finsihing strong inside, and coming up with d-boards and a block ther other way. Also flopped to draw an offensive foul on Aldridge. Repeated Cousins' deat from earlier in the game, as in the mid-4th mhe issed 2 FTs that could have given us the lead, but then went doiwn the other way, grabbed the d-board when the Blazers missed, and hit the long jumper on our offensive possession to make up off the gaffes at the line. Should also be noted that Aldridge had another tough shooting night against us, and this time out it wasn't all Dalembert -- Jason did a solid job on him as well.
Barry Sanders (5'8" 200) -- we had this discussion back in the summer when we were talking about Tyreke, and of whom he reminded everybody, and so I call forth Barry Sanders again. IMO the most talented running back I have ever seen, he played a sport inhabited by giants who routinely tip the scales at over 300lbs and who can bench press small automobiles, and yet at all of 5'8" tall if Barry moved in next door and came over to introduce himself you would think that maybe he sold kitchen appliances for a living. But as with almost every great little man athlete, it was that amazing quickness and elusiveness that set him apart. The big man can't hurt you if he can't find you, and there was never anyone as difficult to find as Barry Sanders. His ability to stop, start, change directions, break down and then burst out at full speed again just made defenders look silly.

Dalembert ( B- ) -- an ok game from Daly in all respects except one -- somebody apparently sprayed his hands with WD-40 befrore the game. Was able to get a smooth turnaround in the post even against Camby, and set some good screens up top for Beno. First half foul trouble limited his minutes against Aldridge, and when he was on him it wasn't the spectcular smush job of our last game against these guys. On the other hand Aldridge had just as tough a time scoring as I think he has trouble finding a comfort zone against a frontcourt who to a man is every bit as big as he is. On offense Daly (liek Jaosn) was very efficient, and most of his shots were very patient power moves resuylting in dunks, incluyding a big one to retie the game at the 3:00 mark of the 4th. Unfortunately throughout the game he was showing shaky hands as he mishandled a number of passes, and down the stretch he had 2 poor TOs that helped us collapse, including one on a play out of a timeout. Fact of the matter is though that I am giving both he and Jason B- grades, and yet they combined for 18pts and 17rebs on 9-11 shooting, which ain't too shabby. Throw in Coussins' numbers and our frontcourt contributed 46pts and 28rebs on 19-28 shooting. Those guys didn't lose this one.
Spud Webb (5'7" 135) -- this list will of course be basketball heavy because its a basketball board, but you could hardly do a list of this nature wihtout Spud anyway. Not as good an overall player as Kings fans sometimes remember him as, he was still remarkable given a size and build that probably had chess club members shaking him down for his lunch money in school. And of course the hops are what he is most remmebered for -- this old dunk footage shows both how far the dunk contest has come, and how far it has fallen. The dunks are better/more elaborate, but the fun and joy of it is largely gone now.

Taylor ( C ) -- several good athletic plays early again, although did get careless bringing the ball up against Miller and got picked clean in the open court for a Portland layup. Lost his starting job after half not so much through incompetence as through just being in front of a more dynamic presence in Marcus Thornton. Back in to start he 4th and miss several opportunities at the rim, including a wild open court layup in the early 4th that could have given us the lead. But a few seconds later cut to the hoop and got the big dunk as Cousins beat the double team. Added a couple of little statpadding hoops in the final 10 seconds to make the statline look a lot better, but it was pretty much just a 6pt game. Will say this: a number of our players ahve, along wiht Westphal's rptations (much the same pattern we saw last year) now settled into roles and are doing a pretty good job of playing wihton those roles. I'm thinking here of JT, Taylor, Daly, Omri (mostly), Donte. They aren't great, but they are being mostly smart and in control.
Dominik Hasek (5'11" 165) -- hockey is not my sport, and because of that I think I often come up wiht wacky outside the box solutions to hockey problems. I for instance have pondered how severely bad an idea it would be for one of the overgrown children/bar brawlers that starts fights every night in hte NHL to come at me while I am standing there armed with a wooden club and sharp metal bades on my feet. I have also examined the size of the scoring surface -- the goals -- in hockey and suggested with a straight face why doesn't somebody just hire Konishiki or some other giant sumo to play goalie for them and just sit in the middle of the goal. Along with all the padding goalies wear it might be physically impossible for the opposing team to score. However if you don't happen to have a 6'3" 550lb man available to sit in the goal, then your next best option may have been a 5'11" 165lb Czech who may very well have been the best hockey goalie of all time (which btw I think pisses off Canadiens to no end). While many of the other great hockey goalies were tremendous technicians, Hasek has often been accused of having no style at all...except the style of stopping the puck. His instincts, flexiblity, and quickness made him nearly impossible to score on during his peak, and the classic image is of him flopping on the ground, kicking legs and blockers in all directions to create a whirling barrier to stop the puck. Of all the great goalies of the modern era, none can touch The Dominator's save percentages, and it might only be his being trapped behind the Iron Curtain for the first 26 years of his life that allows alternatives for GOAT to be seriously considered.
 
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Udrih ( C+ ) -- started the game aggressively rather than working himself into it, and a factor in a strong start for us. Got quiet for a long time as Thornton and Cousins took over, and settled back as a facilitator. Unfortunately it was again a facilitator getting consistently beat on defense as both teams were crossmatching like mad, and in our case we couldn't find a matchup for Beno that could really hide him. Finally got one of his fullcourt pullups late in the third after being MIA pretty much the whole quarter, but would only add one more basket the rest of the way. And down the stretch had several miscues, including completely losing Matthews on a backcut at the 3:30 mark to let the Blazers take the lead back, and getting flat stripped at halfcourt as the Blazers went down for the break to make it a 5pt lead. This was an ok support game from Beno, and really despite the shaky shooting we overall scored enough to win. What we didn't do was defend well enough to win or make the plays down the stretch, and Beno was guilty on both those fronts.
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Mugsy Bogues (5'3" 136) -- that shot is not doctored, and its completely ridiculous. To have a 5'3" player in the NBA of all leagues...by far the most spectacular of all the little man ahtletic feats I am aware of -- 5'3" is probably bottom 10% of the male population overall (at least in Europe/America) -- let alone that of basketball players. He was legiitmately tiny, not just tiny in comparison to the outsized giants if the NBA. And the thing was he was good. He started 556 games over the course of his 14 year NBA career. In two seperate seasons he averaged over 10 ast/gm. In 3 others he was over 2 stls/gm. And he even somehow managed to block 39 shots over his career, including once famously getting Patrick Ewing from behind.

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Cousins ( A ) -- and here is one fo the alltime great game to game turnarounds. Almsot no similarity at all to what went on only two nights ago. In the game and immediately with a good strong post move as he was aggressive and confident from the start. ANd you just wonder what changed? Did somebody have a rela heart to heart with him? Did the girl fo his dreams kiss him on the cheek before the game? Or...elsewhere? Don't knwo, but he looked confident and aggressive taking guys inside, stepping out, and hitting his FTs as if Monday never happened. Strong play got him the start after half. On an 8-10 night overall, both his misses came when he missed another pair of FTs in the early 3rd, but came right back and kncoked down a long jumper to get the points back. And was showing a variety of power moves throughout the quarter. And when that forced them to lay off him, down rained the jumpers. It was very well executed and what could make him a deadly opponent one day. Came up with a huge offensive rebound in traffic and quick finish to start the 4th, and play was inspired on both sides in the early 4th. Maybe the most eye popping play was when he raced over to the corner to grab a hustle rebound -- alreayd a rare play for a 6'11" 280lb guy -- then turned, juked the man betwen him and the hoop off the dribble, and roared in for the dunk. There might be 10 guys his size in the world who can do that. Was carrying us, and maybe all that stopped him from truly carrying us all the way to victory on a career night was his old nemiss -- he pciked up his 5th foul with 6 minutes to go in the game, and had to sit. By the time he returned his mojo had been stolen, and he wasn't able to do much down the stretch. With 40 seconds to go and us down 7 tried to drive to the hoop, and got swatted badly inside. But maybe that is a good thing as all that snivbeling and punch throwing lat month was over him not getting enoguh chacnes to do that. So going in there and finding out that maybe its not so easy and the solution isn't as simple as just giving him the ball might be a good lesson learned.
Doug Flutie (5'8" 180lbs) -- quarterbacks as a rule are the worst athletes on the field in a football game. You could say that about the big guys up front, but those behemoths are some of the strongest strength athletes in the world and can really move for their immense size. But quarterbacks can sometimes be very mediocre athletes and get away with it as long as they have a brain and can throw. But one thing they generally cannot be is short. The reason is simple. All those behemoths in front of them, and all the opposing team's behemoths trying to squash them, are not short. They are giants generally starting at 6'2" or so and moving all the way to 6'8". And so if you are a compltely average sized guy (roughly 5'8" 175lbs) back there not only are you in grave danger of being squished like a bug, you also can't see down the field to throw the ball. Any women reading this who have ever been stuck in a crowd where everybody is taller than them will know what I am talking about. That didn't stop Doug Flutie, one of the most heralded mini-letes in history. The solution of course was to have him roll out of the pocket virtually every play -- to use what he had -- mobility -- and conceal what he did not (height). And betwen his scrambling ability, his patented jump throws where he would jump in the air to make himself taller before passing, and a real sense of the moment, he became a college football and CFL legend, and made a Pro Bowl after returning to the NFL late in his career.

Thornton ( A- ) -- started off the game with a three again, and hit another in the early 2nd. Probably too much one on one forcing at times, but just looking extremely confident. Tough spectacular layup to close the first half and get us back within 8. Got the start in the third as the result of his play, and came up with two athletic quick hits to start the third. If there is a reason for the "-" next to his A this time however its because this time the "other" things weren't as good. Looked shaky trying to bring the ball up in lieu of Beno, did not rebound tonight, and his attemptes to feed Dalmebert in the post were adventuresome. In fact in most ways his statline bore a resemblance to something Kevin would once have put up. There was some good effort on defense and a few spectacular plays on that end, but possession to possession the Portland guards were having little trouble beating our guards for most of the night. After returning late in the 4th (too late -- Westphal again forgot about a guy too long) made another three to give us the lead back. His final one came in the dying moments of desperation time, but too late to matter. Continues to look just flat out explosive as a scorer, and its hard to point out where much of it has been a fluke.
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Earl Boykins (5'5" 133lbs) -- to parpahrase a not-as-funny-as-people-claimed movie character "look at the little tiny baaaby! Get in my belly!"

Greene ( D+ ) -- did little in his first half stint, but got another chance late with Casspi ineffective and perhaps having hurt his wrist at the end of the 3rd. Missed his shots in the final quarter, but did a few little things. Got a block on a turnaround in the post by Wallace. Calmly stroked 2 FTs in the mid 4th to give us a two point lead. Made a critical mistake for some reason coming to double an ineffective Aldridge, and this leaving Batum wide open for the three to put the Blazers up 3. From his reaction though I think somebody else was supposed to rotate over and guard that. Again one of those youth/inexperience mistakes by somebody that has been the difference between us winning or losing a good dozen games this year.
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Amanda Coetzer (5'2") -- I was going to put Michael Chang here, but fact is Amanda was cuter and if a pretty girl accidentllay slips into a topic like this, who is going to complain? Height matters in tennis btw, despite it not being a contact sport. Its the geometry of the game -- the taller you are, the shorter that net appears to you, and particularly when it comes time to serve, the more room for error you have. Its also of course in the physics of it -- as in big peopel hit the ball harder than little people. But Amanda didn't care about that during an era when women were getting bigger and bigger and hitting harder and harder. She earned the nickname "The Little Assassin" for her penchant for knocking of the world's top seeds throughout the 90s, and at the peak of her career reached #3 in the world in 1997. Oh, and she was cute too.

Jeter ( INC ) -- nothing in his early minutes. Came back in at the end of the third and immdiately got beat by Patty Mills for a layup. Strictly playing as Beno's backup at the moment, and with Taylor playing solidly, and Thornton exceptionally, Pooh isn't making much of a case for any minutes at all when/if Reke returns and all the PG minutes are accounted for.

Jackson (INC) -- just a few spot seconds




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Hail Spud Webb and Mugsey Bogues!

Question fodder for this game's feedback thread:
How many games this year have been lost because of eye-popping stupid plays by whatever Kings group was on the floor in the last few minutes of games?

Followup:
How would that magically change next year?
 
Hail Spud Webb and Mugsey Bogues!

Question fodder for this game's feedback thread:
How many games this year have been lost because of eye-popping stupid plays by whatever Kings group was on the floor in the last few minutes of games?

Followup:
How would that magically change next year?

Answer to the first questions: A lot

Answer to the second question: No magic, just more experience. A lot of young teams play similarly in close games. It's why veteran coaches give so many minutes to experienced players. Our 2 best players are 20 and 21. Casspi is 22, Thompson 23-24, and Thornton is 23. Our most veteran players (Beno, Sammy, etc.) are just role players who naturally will look bad when asked to do to much. They may make the occasional big play, but we can't ask them to run the team. That is a lesson Reke and Cousins will have to learn just like Kobe, Wade, Roy, James, Pierce, etc. have had to as well.
 
Well happy birthday to me. No seriosly that was a fun game to watch in the late third early fourth. The comeback late in the game was great, there was a whole stretch where I was jumpIng out of my seat because of how exciting it got. The Grateful Dead night crowd was exactly that, dead. And I was more then a little perturbed at a group of guys who were flashing a sign (a sign gloating about a certain team moving South) and using it to incite us real Kings fans. Luckily they got bounced, which they really deserved.

Nobody but Thornton and Boogie showed up tonight, Beno and the rest of our guards were terrible on D, Marcus included. But dang, Thornton is very explosive. I am going to dub him with a nickname after tonight, "M80". His kind of explosiveness should not be legal in the US. Nice to see DMC have his best game in a long time. He was under control, but visibly frustrated with the butterfingers of his fellow big men. Best birthday ever for me though, I love this team, and I always will!
 
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Was at game tonight and couple of observations. If I had to put my finger on one big thing that resulted in this hard fought loss it would be Kings overall weakness at SF - both Casspi and Greene. Nic Batum is just clearly superior player to both of them and about same age, NBA experience. We really need to shore up that position because I just don't see either being big time factor in this league. With a healthy Kings team I'd love to see Tyreke, Thornton, Daly, Cousins and anybody but Casspi or Greene - maybe Cisco, Beno, Taylor or JT depending on matchups - even better a big time FA or draft pickup. Kings gave up a ton of easy baskets tonight on quick Blazers run outs. It seemed we had to work twice as hard as Portland to score most of the evening. Without Marcus 'Buckets' Thornton off the bench and starting in second half would have been blown out. DMC had a huge comeback game from probably his worst performance of season last outing. Lastly, for modest crowd at Power Balance Pavillion made LOUD yelling "DEFENSE!" tighter game got towards the end. Probably would have been better to scream, "NO TURNOVERS! NO TURNOVERS!" when Kings had ball on offense.
 
Awesome man, I will admit the crowd was great during the comeback and when we took the lead. The DMC crossover dunk was insane too!!!
 
donte greene is horrible. how many open shots did he miss tonight?

He does not play with intensity at all, just coasts most of the time. He's not talented enough to coast but apparently does not see it or care. This is his third year in the league but it may as well be his first.
 
Was at game tonight and couple of observations. If I had to put my finger on one big thing that resulted in this hard fought loss it would be Kings overall weakness at SF - both Casspi and Greene. Nic Batum is just clearly superior player to both of them and about same age, NBA experience. We really need to shore up that position because I just don't see either being big time factor in this league. With a healthy Kings team I'd love to see Tyreke, Thornton, Daly, Cousins and anybody but Casspi or Greene - maybe Cisco, Beno, Taylor or JT depending on matchups - even better a big time FA or draft pickup. Kings gave up a ton of easy baskets tonight on quick Blazers run outs. It seemed we had to work twice as hard as Portland to score most of the evening. Without Marcus 'Buckets' Thornton off the bench and starting in second half would have been blown out. DMC had a huge comeback game from probably his worst performance of season last outing. Lastly, for modest crowd at Power Balance Pavillion made LOUD yelling "DEFENSE!" tighter game got towards the end. Probably would have been better to scream, "NO TURNOVERS! NO TURNOVERS!" when Kings had ball on offense.

I think that's our biggest weakness also. I think Casspi makes a great guy to come off the bench but we need a starter. Certainly the team will address that. At the beginning of the year (I don't follow these things closely) the two of the highest ranked college players were a SF and PG and I think we need starters at both positions. Thornton is making the surety of that observation a little shakey but I still think a pure assist first PG would be great. The last position I would address is PF but if we resign Dalemebert, it's less pressing. He has indicated he would like to stay. The cures for what ails us are not on the team now but I think it is possible to plug every hole over the summer and with the draft.

Now to make it perfect, $200 mil falls from the sky and we build a new arena and the Maloofs see how wonderful and long suffering us fans have been and decide to stay, In any case, I understand there is this new invention called a TV and I'll follow them.
 
once again i found myself struggling to understand pauls rotations...

marcus thornton is in his second year. in my opinion 33 minutes was was too little for him to be playing tonight. dude was ballin but sat nearly the entire 1st quarter and half of a crucial fourth quarter. we dont play again til saturday so i dont get why hes ridin pine for so long. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME
 
He does not play with intensity at all, just coasts most of the time. He's not talented enough to coast but apparently does not see it or care. This is his third year in the league but it may as well be his first.

This summer will make or break him. He has a ton of talent and athletic potential, but I am not sure he cares. He may be our next Douby, but I hope I am wrong.
 
Now to make it perfect, $200 mil falls from the sky and we build a new arena and the Maloofs see how wonderful and long suffering us fans have been and decide to stay, In any case, I understand there is this new invention called a TV and I'll follow them.

Lol
 
This summer will make or break him. He has a ton of talent and athletic potential, but I am not sure he cares. He may be our next Douby, but I hope I am wrong.

He had last summer, and the summer before that. that doesnt mean im ready to give up on him though. Although i dont remember gerald wallace being on our team, all i hear about is people regretting that we gave up on him. I think the only chance really have to get donte going is by getting a coaching staff that will push him.
 
This summer will make or break him. He has a ton of talent and athletic potential, but I am not sure he cares. He may be our next Douby, but I hope I am wrong.

Define Talent! He's not a good outside shooter. He doesn't handle the ball very well. His passing ability is average at best. He has a poor mid-range game. He has shown defensive ability, and has decent to good lateral movement. But like last night, he left his man wide open at the top of the 3 pt circle to double down on Aldridge when Dalembert had been playing him one on one all night long. He's a good athlete, but not in the Gerald Wallace mode.

I'm not trying to devalue him. But I think we have to be realistic in our appraisal of him. Douby was a better shooter by the way.. If Douby had been 6'11" he'd probably still be with the team. Size does matter..
 
Define Talent! He's not a good outside shooter. He doesn't handle the ball very well. His passing ability is average at best. He has a poor mid-range game. He has shown defensive ability, and has decent to good lateral movement. But like last night, he left his man wide open at the top of the 3 pt circle to double down on Aldridge when Dalembert had been playing him one on one all night long. He's a good athlete, but not in the Gerald Wallace mode.

I'm not trying to devalue him. But I think we have to be realistic in our appraisal of him. Douby was a better shooter by the way.. If Douby had been 6'11" he'd probably still be with the team. Size does matter..

Donte was pissed. He thought the play call was to double on the dribble. So it wasn't like he left the guy open, he was expecting someone to rotate on the dribble. Who knows if donte missed the play call or someone else.

What alot of people dont see is the missed opportunities in transitition. Donte is open 5-6 times a game on the wing ahead of the defenders and rarely do the ball handlers get him the ball. Donte with JWill would be awesome to watch.
 
Donte was pissed. He thought the play call was to double on the dribble. So it wasn't like he left the guy open, he was expecting someone to rotate on the dribble. Who knows if donte missed the play call or someone else.

What alot of people dont see is the missed opportunities in transitition. Donte is open 5-6 times a game on the wing ahead of the defenders and rarely do the ball handlers get him the ball. Donte with JWill would be awesome to watch.
I'm not sure if that was the play call, to double Aldridge. After the fact of course it looks like a poor decision, and I don't think he should have doubled down to begin with. But there's also the other problem, which is no one rotated over when Donte doubled Aldridge.

That is a reoccuring problem with our team. It's not the first defensive rotation which kills us, it's the 2nd and 3rd. So while it might of been a mistake for Donte to double off Batum, as soon as the help defender on his left(don't know who that was until I see a replay) sees him go to double Aldrige, he should rotate over.
 
Was at game tonight and couple of observations. If I had to put my finger on one big thing that resulted in this hard fought loss it would be Kings overall weakness at SF - both Casspi and Greene. Nic Batum is just clearly superior player to both of them and about same age, NBA experience. We really need to shore up that position because I just don't see either being big time factor in this league. With a healthy Kings team I'd love to see Tyreke, Thornton, Daly, Cousins and anybody but Casspi or Greene - maybe Cisco, Beno, Taylor or JT depending on matchups - even better a big time FA or draft pickup. Kings gave up a ton of easy baskets tonight on quick Blazers run outs. It seemed we had to work twice as hard as Portland to score most of the evening. Without Marcus 'Buckets' Thornton off the bench and starting in second half would have been blown out. DMC had a huge comeback game from probably his worst performance of season last outing. Lastly, for modest crowd at Power Balance Pavillion made LOUD yelling "DEFENSE!" tighter game got towards the end. Probably would have been better to scream, "NO TURNOVERS! NO TURNOVERS!" when Kings had ball on offense.

Good points, but I think we are in trouble without Beno. That means that if we start Tyreke and Thornton we have a problem.
 
Define Talent! He's not a good outside shooter. He doesn't handle the ball very well. His passing ability is average at best. He has a poor mid-range game. He has shown defensive ability, and has decent to good lateral movement. But like last night, he left his man wide open at the top of the 3 pt circle to double down on Aldridge when Dalembert had been playing him one on one all night long. He's a good athlete, but not in the Gerald Wallace mode.

I'm not trying to devalue him. But I think we have to be realistic in our appraisal of him. Douby was a better shooter by the way.. If Douby had been 6'11" he'd probably still be with the team. Size does matter..

Fair enough. Maybe I used the word talent too liberaly. Although he is a pretty good man defender. But he has a lot of raw tools, he just doesn't use them.

Douby was a good shooter in theory, but his performance never really showed that. It's not like he was a James Jones type who did that well and nothing else. During the time he was on our team he was just awful in every facet of the game.
 
Define Talent! He's not a good outside shooter. He doesn't handle the ball very well. His passing ability is average at best. He has a poor mid-range game. He has shown defensive ability, and has decent to good lateral movement. But like last night, he left his man wide open at the top of the 3 pt circle to double down on Aldridge when Dalembert had been playing him one on one all night long. He's a good athlete, but not in the Gerald Wallace mode.

I'm not trying to devalue him. But I think we have to be realistic in our appraisal of him. Douby was a better shooter by the way.. If Douby had been 6'11" he'd probably still be with the team. Size does matter..

Yup. I love Donte as much (if not more!) than anyone, but I think what he lacks is talent. He is so physically gifted that if he had more talent he'd be very good. The good thing is that players can get better/more skilled, but they cant usually get taller/more athletic. So he already has something over most of his peers at the small forward spot, but he has to get better at so many things that its starting to feel like a "he is what he is" situation.

Also, my response to someone who said Donte is usually open on the break would be this; Sure, he may be open, but I dont think the other players trust him. Just like I dont think they trust passing the ball to Casspi sometimes, or even JT.

These guys get too excited when they get the ball and fumble it way to often. It happens time after time. That and most of the players know what there teamates can and cant do, and our two SF's cant really do anything with the ball. Donte at least attempts to drive to the basket, and Omri cant do this at all. And like I said, when they get the ball in a good position under the basket they either blow the layup or get so flustered something bad happens.

And JT ... JT would be so much better if he could fix his issues finishing around the basket and fumbling the ball. His hands look so bad sometimes, and his touch ( which I will admit has gotten a little bit better ) is still not very good.
 
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Yup. I love Donte as much (if not more!) than anyone, but I think what he lacks is talent. He is so physically gifted that if he had more talent he'd be very good. The good thing is that players can get better/more skilled, but they cant usually get taller/more athletic. So he already has something over most of his peers at the small forward spot, but he has to get better at so many things that its starting to feel like a "he is what he is" situation.

I think he is good enough to be a bench player for many years and make millions of dollars. He'll make more money than most of us and put out far less effort than most of us. I don't get the impression he is interested in doing anything more than that. Some people are just over paid and it's a shame a bench spot has to be wasted on a guy with his lack of interest in proving.
 
Donte and Casspi are what they are - backup NBA players.
They're being paid just over $1 million average a piece - that's not starters wages.

In fact, only Dalembert is being paid NBA starters wages - so there's not much mystery why the team has less talent than every other NBA team, and why they lose, especially in thew last few minutes of close games.
Watching the elite teams, I notice how many nights they kinda cruise for 3 quarters - then their intensity changes, and they comfortably secure the (closer than it shoulda been) win.

The fact that the Kings have played a lot of teams close this year, unfortunately does NOT mean they are actually close to them in talent or execution.
Many nights it means the other team hasn't really cared if the Kings have stayed close, since most of the NBA knows they can turn it on and blow out the Kings for a few minutes and put the game away.

These close losses are illusory, people.

The Kings have MAYBE 3 guys that are starters in the NBA -
* one will be paid more by other teams next year than the Kings will want to pay and will leave (Dalembert)
* 1 is battling a potential career-plaguing foot problem and has regressed in play since last year (Tyreke)
* and the other is battling a potential career-plaguing mental problem that has led to him being THE most maligned/criticized/penalized player in the entire league (DMC).
 
Was at game tonight and couple of observations. If I had to put my finger on one big thing that resulted in this hard fought loss it would be Kings overall weakness at SF - both Casspi and Greene. Nic Batum is just clearly superior player to both of them and about same age, NBA experience. We really need to shore up that position because I just don't see either being big time factor in this league. With a healthy Kings team I'd love to see Tyreke, Thornton, Daly, Cousins and anybody but Casspi or Greene - maybe Cisco, Beno, Taylor or JT depending on matchups - even better a big time FA or draft pickup. Kings gave up a ton of easy baskets tonight on quick Blazers run outs. It seemed we had to work twice as hard as Portland to score most of the evening. Without Marcus 'Buckets' Thornton off the bench and starting in second half would have been blown out. DMC had a huge comeback game from probably his worst performance of season last outing. Lastly, for modest crowd at Power Balance Pavillion made LOUD yelling "DEFENSE!" tighter game got towards the end. Probably would have been better to scream, "NO TURNOVERS! NO TURNOVERS!" when Kings had ball on offense.

One thing I noticed was that everytime Thornton was in the game, POR had Miller go at him and go at him hard. And generally he had success. And Matthews a little bit too. Luckily Thornton was lighting it up on the other end and helped keep us in the ballgame along with Cousins.
Did you see that jackass over in section 103 with the Welcome to Aneheim sign wearing an Angels jersey? He ended up getting kicked out. I'm glad I wasn't sitting near him, may have been kicked out with him.
 
- so there's not much mystery why the team has less talent than every other NBA team, and why they lose, especially in thew last few minutes of close games.

You are blind as a very blind bat if you actualy believe that. Its a flat out dumb thing to say.

While I am tired of Sacto fans being blind to their own team's merits, I will continue to challenge any particularly egregious examples of it. The more often things get repeated unchallenged the more often they get picked up and the whole fanbase sinks even further into ignorance. VERY few teams have a one-two punch as talented as Evans/Cousins, including many of the playoff teams. Only a handful has a frontline with as much size and lgnth as our frontline. And if Thornton continues to show he's a legit 20ppg scorer the number of teams who can match our future firepower begins to get limited indeed. The vets are mediocre the kids are too young, but being young is not the same thing as being untalented and it remains borderline shocking the number of people who claim to follow this team that can't see what is forming up right in front of their eyes.
 
IF DMC and Tyreke both get BETTER next year (for Tyreke that's less of a certainty than DMC) than yes they can be a strong 1-2 punch.

But that has NOT happened this year, and is FACTUALLY just a projection on your part that it may happen next year, or the year after.

Factually, the Kings have less talent than most teams right now.
 
IF DMC and Tyreke both get BETTER next year (for Tyreke that's less of a certainty than DMC) than yes they can be a strong 1-2 punch.

But that has NOT happened this year, and is FACTUALLY just a projection on your part that it may happen next year, or the year after.

Factually, the Kings have less talent than most teams right now.

That's rediculous. You're banking on a 20 and 21 year old not improving?

Yes factually, it's a projection. Also factually, throughout all of pro sports(except gymnastics and tennis), as well as life in general, the majority of 20 and 21 year olds, show improvement after the first year or two, whether it's their sport, or profession.

You must be about 17 years old, guessing by your insight on life expereince. I say that because anyone who is 30, knows at 30 they are more mature, more successful, better equipped for life then they were at 25, and the same applies when comparing a 25 year old to a 20 year old. People mature, people grow, and people improve their habbits.

If you want to get all "factual", take a look around you in every day life. See a difference between 20 year olds and 25 year olds? See a difference between 20 year olds and 30 year olds? Or is it a fact that no one improves in life, learns from experiences, and their life path is mapped in stone at age 20?

Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Peyton Manning, Obama, John Glenn, MLK, and many, many others, from all walks of life, would disagree with you. But hey, lets only use facts when they fit our agenda.
 
Donte and Casspi are what they are - backup NBA players.
They're being paid just over $1 million average a piece - that's not starters wages.

In fact, only Dalembert is being paid NBA starters wages - so there's not much mystery why the team has less talent than every other NBA team, and why they lose, especially in thew last few minutes of close games.
Watching the elite teams, I notice how many nights they kinda cruise for 3 quarters - then their intensity changes, and they comfortably secure the (closer than it shoulda been) win.

The fact that the Kings have played a lot of teams close this year, unfortunately does NOT mean they are actually close to them in talent or execution.
Many nights it means the other team hasn't really cared if the Kings have stayed close, since most of the NBA knows they can turn it on and blow out the Kings for a few minutes and put the game away.

These close losses are illusory, people.

The Kings have MAYBE 3 guys that are starters in the NBA -
* one will be paid more by other teams next year than the Kings will want to pay and will leave (Dalembert)
* 1 is battling a potential career-plaguing foot problem and has regressed in play since last year (Tyreke)
* and the other is battling a potential career-plaguing mental problem that has led to him being THE most maligned/criticized/penalized player in the entire league (DMC).

You are living under a cloud of gloom, my friend. It is impairing your sight. Above that artifically created cloud is a huge sun of promise. The Kings are what they are and that is just perfect for a team hoping to become one of the elite.

Man, explaining reality is tiring.

What's your explanation for why the King's winning percentage is higher on the road than at home? A high winning percentage on the road is usually the sign of a good if not great team. Couple that with the high number of close loses, yes, a sign of a young team. Can you spin it into a negative?

The Kings have said they will resign Dalembert.

I'm am concerned about Tyreke's foot but maybe aggressive treatment early is a good thing. Who knows? The doctors?

I am not worried at all about Cousins' future and my specialty is psychiatry.





And, rainmaker, if you ever say my views are those of a young person, I will come to your place and kiss your feet. :)
 
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While it may not be a fact that DMC and Tyreke will get better, I think the most likely scenario is that they will. There are a lot more 20/21 year old players that go from good to great than ones that stay at good.
 
IF DMC and Tyreke both get BETTER next year (for Tyreke that's less of a certainty than DMC) than yes they can be a strong 1-2 punch.

But that has NOT happened this year, and is FACTUALLY just a projection on your part that it may happen next year, or the year after.

Factually, the Kings have less talent than most teams right now.

Hell, the draft is based on projections. You draft players expecting them to get better. Yes, it's a projection. That doesn't mean it's irrelevant.
 
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