Farewell Tyreke?
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Doesn't make sense. It's going to take Tyreke money to get Iguodala. Why not just sign Tyreke and get the younger version of Iggy?
Only reason I can see them doing this is because they don't believe Tyreke can play PG or SF. In that case we better pray McLemore is all everyone is saying he is, otherwise were going to be spinning our wheels again.
Only reason I can see them doing this is because they don't believe Tyreke can play PG or SF. In that case we better pray McLemore is all everyone is saying he is, otherwise were going to be spinning our wheels again.
I provided the link, but I have to ask A) Why the Kings would feel they have the inside track, given all the competition, for Iggy's service and B) Even if they were confident it was going to happen, why they'd reveal their thinking to Mark Stein. In other words, I'm a bit skeptical. Could be New Orleans or and agent attempting to muddy the waters.
I think Tyreke should go. He's regressed recently as he's been asked to share the ball more. His weaknesses are well known, and defenses know his game and have adjusted, and he hasn't kept up his progress to overcome these. He still forces his dribble drive, and it results in a lot of turnovers and wild/missed shots.
I'd honestly love to see Jimmer take on a bigger role in the back court with Thomas. I just don't see Evans's game progressing to properly use him as a 2/3. If he was more consistent defensively, developed his outside shot, and was more than a one-trick pony offensively, I could see keeping him.
I'd honestly love to see Jimmer take on a bigger role in the back court with Thomas. I just don't see Evans's game progressing to properly use him as a 2/3. If he was more consistent defensively, developed his outside shot, and was more than a one-trick pony offensively, I could see keeping him.
Giving Jimmer a bigger role, who still has huge problems to perform simple dribbling moves vs any capable defender? Playing Jimmer alongside Thomas, so that our Backcourt is undersized in any possible way? Sorry - doesnt sound like a good idea to me.
I m not that high on Evans too and i dont think he deserves 11Mio.$ but letting him walk without anything in return is not a proper option. On top of that NO has nothing to offer in a sign&trade besides Vasquez, who has his weaknesses too.
The best decision would be to match the NO offer, keep Evans, see if he can live up to his big contract and see how McLemore works on Nba level and trade or keep Tyreke based on that.
I m not that high on Evans too and i dont think he deserves 11Mio.$ but letting him walk without anything in return is not a proper option. On top of that NO has nothing to offer in a sign&trade besides Vasquez, who has his weaknesses too.
The best decision would be to match the NO offer, keep Evans, see if he can live up to his big contract and see how McLemore works on Nba level and trade or keep Tyreke based on that.
I never said Jimmer and Thomas should share heavy minutes together in the back court, but rather, seeing both of their roles increased on the team.
Having Vasquez would be a huge upgrade, especially with this team having no true traditional playmaking PG. He could fill that role very well. Jimmer, Thomas, Thornton, etc are all score-first type offensive players.
I disagree. If the team can S&T for Vasquez, they shouldn't pass that up.
Having Vasquez would be a huge upgrade, especially with this team having no true traditional playmaking PG. He could fill that role very well. Jimmer, Thomas, Thornton, etc are all score-first type offensive players.
I disagree. If the team can S&T for Vasquez, they shouldn't pass that up.
Honestly S&T for Vasquez and Lopez sounds good to me. Gives our entire roster set roles. Shooters in McLemore, Thornton, IT, Patterson Jimmer? that can come off screens or play pick and roll with Vasquez delivering the dimes. Cousins down low/high post being our Vlade looking for cutters/shooters off double teams. With Tyreke we're looking at eternal Iso's with no off ball movement, because that what Tyreke is good at doing, lets not forget that Tyreke usefulness on a pick and roll is very low, due to him being a complete no threat shooting off the dribble. Cousins is the guy with the potential to be a dominant player in this league. Tyreke's potential is 3rd best player.
He hasn't improved his shot. He hasn't improved his defense. He's regressed offensively (remember how he used to post up opposing 1 & 2s on the high block and abuse smaller guards? He has played 1-3 positions and almost exclusively forces his dribble drive now), proven he can't play without dominating the ball, and he can't stay healthy.
you totally dont understand what you are talking and what you see.
according on 82games
11-12
Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production
Position FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*
PG 22.7 .444 6.7 18% 5.9 10.9 6.7 .0 3.4 24.4 15.6
SG 19.5 .535 3.3 23% 5.7 3.8 2.5 .4 2.3 23.5 16.3
SF 15.8 .573 2.6 30% 6.8 4.6 2.9 .8 3.4 20.3 16.8
12-13
Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production
Position FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*
PG 20.9 .000 15.6 25% 5.2 10.4 2.6 2.6 .0 15.6 10.0
SG 18.1 .522 4.3 22% 5.5 5.7 2.5 .8 3.0 22.1 16.9
SF 16.5 .491 4.2 23% 7.7 4.0 2.8 1.2 3.9 19.8 15.0
12-13
Player 48-Minute Production by Position
Position FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*
PG 23.5 .667 .0 55% 5.2 .0 .0 10.4 2.6 31.3 35.2
SG 17.9 .520 6.4 51% 6.4 5.5 2.9 .5 2.7 23.4 18.8
SF 18.6 .453 6.7 47% 8.3 5.6 3.7 .6 4.5 22.8 16.6
hasn't improved defense????
according to Basketball-Reference.com
season 3P%
09-10 .255
10-11 .291
11-12 .202
12-13 .338
hasn't improved shot??????
Rk Player Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT%
1 Tony Parker 2012-13 30 SAS NBA 66 66 32.9 7.9 15.1 0.4 1.0 4.2 5.0 0.3 2.7 3.0 7.6 0.8 0.1 2.6 1.4 20.3 .522 .353 .845
2 Dwyane Wade 2012-13 31 MIA NBA 69 69 34.7 8.2 15.8 0.2 1.0 4.5 6.2 1.2 3.7 5.0 5.1 1.9 0.8 2.8 2.0 21.2 .521 .258 .725
3 Chris Paul 2012-13 27 LAC NBA 70 70 33.4 5.9 12.2 1.1 3.3 4.1 4.6 0.8 3.0 3.7 9.7 2.4 0.1 2.3 2.0 16.9 .481 .328 .885
4 Tyreke Evans 2012-13 23 SAC NBA 65 61 31.0 5.6 11.8 0.7 2.0 3.2 4.2 0.9 3.6 4.4 3.5 1.4 0.4 2.0 2.0 15.2 .478 .338 .775
5 Kobe Bryant 2012-13 34 LAL NBA 78 78 38.6 9.5 20.4 1.7 5.2 6.7 8.0 0.8 4.7 5.6 6.0 1.4 0.3 3.7 2.2 27.3 .463 .324 .839
6 Ty Lawson 2012-13 25 DEN NBA 73 71 34.4 6.1 13.3 1.2 3.2 3.2 4.3 0.5 2.2 2.7 6.9 1.5 0.1 2.5 1.8 16.7 .461 .366 .756
7 Jarrett Jack 2012-13 29 GSW NBA 79 4 29.7 4.9 10.8 1.0 2.6 2.1 2.5 0.3 2.8 3.1 5.6 0.8 0.1 2.0 1.7 12.9 .452 .404 .843
8 Stephen Curry 2012-13 24 GSW NBA 78 78 38.2 8.0 17.8 3.5 7.7 3.4 3.7 0.8 3.3 4.0 6.9 1.6 0.2 3.1 2.5 22.9 .451 .453 .900
9 Andre Iguodala 2012-13 29 DEN NBA 80 80 34.7 5.0 11.0 1.1 3.6 1.9 3.4 1.0 4.3 5.3 5.4 1.7 0.7 2.6 1.6 13.0 .451 .317 .574
regress offensely ????
can't play w/o dominating the ball??? do we see the same league???
reke is one of top guards in the league, period.
according on 82games
11-12
Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production
Position FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*
PG 22.7 .444 6.7 18% 5.9 10.9 6.7 .0 3.4 24.4 15.6
SG 19.5 .535 3.3 23% 5.7 3.8 2.5 .4 2.3 23.5 16.3
SF 15.8 .573 2.6 30% 6.8 4.6 2.9 .8 3.4 20.3 16.8
12-13
Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production
Position FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*
PG 20.9 .000 15.6 25% 5.2 10.4 2.6 2.6 .0 15.6 10.0
SG 18.1 .522 4.3 22% 5.5 5.7 2.5 .8 3.0 22.1 16.9
SF 16.5 .491 4.2 23% 7.7 4.0 2.8 1.2 3.9 19.8 15.0
12-13
Player 48-Minute Production by Position
Position FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*
PG 23.5 .667 .0 55% 5.2 .0 .0 10.4 2.6 31.3 35.2
SG 17.9 .520 6.4 51% 6.4 5.5 2.9 .5 2.7 23.4 18.8
SF 18.6 .453 6.7 47% 8.3 5.6 3.7 .6 4.5 22.8 16.6
hasn't improved defense????
according to Basketball-Reference.com
season 3P%
09-10 .255
10-11 .291
11-12 .202
12-13 .338
hasn't improved shot??????
Rk Player Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT%
1 Tony Parker 2012-13 30 SAS NBA 66 66 32.9 7.9 15.1 0.4 1.0 4.2 5.0 0.3 2.7 3.0 7.6 0.8 0.1 2.6 1.4 20.3 .522 .353 .845
2 Dwyane Wade 2012-13 31 MIA NBA 69 69 34.7 8.2 15.8 0.2 1.0 4.5 6.2 1.2 3.7 5.0 5.1 1.9 0.8 2.8 2.0 21.2 .521 .258 .725
3 Chris Paul 2012-13 27 LAC NBA 70 70 33.4 5.9 12.2 1.1 3.3 4.1 4.6 0.8 3.0 3.7 9.7 2.4 0.1 2.3 2.0 16.9 .481 .328 .885
4 Tyreke Evans 2012-13 23 SAC NBA 65 61 31.0 5.6 11.8 0.7 2.0 3.2 4.2 0.9 3.6 4.4 3.5 1.4 0.4 2.0 2.0 15.2 .478 .338 .775
5 Kobe Bryant 2012-13 34 LAL NBA 78 78 38.6 9.5 20.4 1.7 5.2 6.7 8.0 0.8 4.7 5.6 6.0 1.4 0.3 3.7 2.2 27.3 .463 .324 .839
6 Ty Lawson 2012-13 25 DEN NBA 73 71 34.4 6.1 13.3 1.2 3.2 3.2 4.3 0.5 2.2 2.7 6.9 1.5 0.1 2.5 1.8 16.7 .461 .366 .756
7 Jarrett Jack 2012-13 29 GSW NBA 79 4 29.7 4.9 10.8 1.0 2.6 2.1 2.5 0.3 2.8 3.1 5.6 0.8 0.1 2.0 1.7 12.9 .452 .404 .843
8 Stephen Curry 2012-13 24 GSW NBA 78 78 38.2 8.0 17.8 3.5 7.7 3.4 3.7 0.8 3.3 4.0 6.9 1.6 0.2 3.1 2.5 22.9 .451 .453 .900
9 Andre Iguodala 2012-13 29 DEN NBA 80 80 34.7 5.0 11.0 1.1 3.6 1.9 3.4 1.0 4.3 5.3 5.4 1.7 0.7 2.6 1.6 13.0 .451 .317 .574
regress offensely ????
can't play w/o dominating the ball??? do we see the same league???
reke is one of top guards in the league, period.
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Any kind of S&T deal with New Orleans reminds me of the Webber for flexible pieces trade. Two mediocre talents do not equal one star-level talent. In fact, the more of those guys you fill up your rotation and payroll with the harder it is to ever get a star player. If we're dead set against paying Tyreke what he's worth, let him walk and search for a comparable talent with the money we can't afford to pay him with. Lopez and Vasquez are hardly worth the trouble I think. If they were, New Orleans wouldn't be so willing to jettison them would they? There's a reason they've both been deemed expendable.
Well apart from being wrong on almost every point you were really batting 1.000 there.
Its almost scary watching people so deeply invest themselves in being wrong.
A few pointers which you can of course ignore if they go against your deeply ingrained world view:
-- his defense has improved a lot
-- he developed a set shot three that was decently accurate
-- remember that post game? Do you remember what position he was playing at the time? Reason for that. He's not a natural post player. Was he going to post SFs? And last season was precisely when we began to see a little of that again at SG. In fact there was a stat late in the season where he was actually one of the most efficient post players in the NBA at that time because of how often he got fouled out of it. But neither Westphal or Smart had much of a plan in using it.
-- yes, he's proven he can't play without dominating the ball...except of course in turning in the most efficient season of his career.
Its almost scary watching people so deeply invest themselves in being wrong.
A few pointers which you can of course ignore if they go against your deeply ingrained world view:
-- his defense has improved a lot
-- he developed a set shot three that was decently accurate
-- remember that post game? Do you remember what position he was playing at the time? Reason for that. He's not a natural post player. Was he going to post SFs? And last season was precisely when we began to see a little of that again at SG. In fact there was a stat late in the season where he was actually one of the most efficient post players in the NBA at that time because of how often he got fouled out of it. But neither Westphal or Smart had much of a plan in using it.
-- yes, he's proven he can't play without dominating the ball...except of course in turning in the most efficient season of his career.
Everyone here who has visions of Greivis Vasquez being the "real PG" of their dreams because of his high assist total last season should probably read some of the eye opening things New Orleans fans have to say about him. He's thought of as highly among the people who see him play the most as we think of Isaiah Thomas. Can't guard anybody, can't get into the lane consistently, inefficient offensive player who's numbers this season are a mirage. Almost everyone thinks his ceiling is backup PG or 5th best starter on a winning team. A backup PG and a backup C is not my idea of an ideal return for Tyreke Evans.
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