[Rumor] Dave: “Kings looking hard at Kingston Flemings”

SacTownKid said:
Attitude is as well and yes, the stats say getting to the line is mandatory. Kingston plays and approaches the game in a similar way to a Keegan Murray or Harrison Barnes which is possibly why he'll have games where he does just as they do and kind of fades into the background. He'll make the smart play and thus is one of the safter picks. However, on the flipside this is why someone like Brown Jr. likely has a higher boom possibility. He shows the flashes of something more. If he isn't though he could be useless at the next level. Kingston probably won't be useless even in a worst case.
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I saw Brown play an absolutely dominant game against Kentucky early in the season. He eviscerated them every which way. Most dominating performance I saw of any player in college last year. That said, his back scares the hell out of me.
 
SacTownKid said:
Watch this meeting be about trading down. I saw Flemings comp'd himself to Cason Wallace (Wallace is far more physical and more well built but nowhere near the skill level of Kingston IMO) and the Thunder might need to be replace Wallace here soon. Interesting.
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He wasn't comparing his game to Wallace. He was asked if there were any players he tried to emulate how they played. He said that in HS, he liked to watch how Cason Wallace played defense and try to play that side of the floor the same way.
 
Telemachus said:
He wasn't comparing his game to Wallace. He was asked if there were any players he tried to emulate how they played. He said that in HS, he liked to watch how Cason Wallace played defense and try to play that side of the floor the same way.
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Same difference considering it's all about what his game is from an approach stance. He sees himself as that type of player or wants to be apparently and the eye test follows that pattern IMO. This is why he looks like a Keegan Murray/Barnes type at times. It's all about approach, not necessarily ability.
 
He caught a lot of people by surprise being the alpha on a very talented Houston team despite being less heralded than some of their other freshmen. Absolutely the 5th best team, and arguably above Florida, heading into the tournament. No shame losing to Illinois who clearly were a level above their seeding either. He'd be a top 4 pick in most drafts.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
He caught a lot of people by surprise being the alpha on a very talented Houston team despite being less heralded than some of their other freshmen. Absolutely the 5th best team, and arguably above Florida, heading into the tournament. No shame losing to Illinois who clearly were a level above their seeding either. He'd be a top 4 pick in most drafts.
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Not unlike Stephon Castle 4th pick two years ago. Flemings as a true PG exactly what Kings need, would be a steal at 7 this years draft. Acuff not likely to be on the board when Kings pick and possibly neither will Flemings be available. But Kings better hope two-way talented PG is there.
 
Kingster said:
I haven't seen enough of either to have a firm opinion one way or the other. The question I have on Acuff other than his defense is whether he is more like Monk in the ability to score, but not necessarily a great play-maker.
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This isn't a question at all. Both Acuff and Kingston are extremely talented playmakers/lead-ball handlers and they'll be installed as an "offensive engine" from day 1.

Wagler is probably the one of with more "questions" about his ability to be a high level NBA playmaker, but I'm not overly concerned about that part of his game either. He just won't be a day 1 lead playmaker like the other 2
 
SacTownKid said:
Same difference considering it's all about what his game is from an approach stance. He sees himself as that type of player or wants to be apparently and the eye test follows that pattern IMO. This is why he looks like a Keegan Murray/Barnes type at times. It's all about approach, not necessarily ability.
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No it's not. He said he tried to emulate Wallace's defensive style, but plays nothing like him on offense. His style on offense is to make his teammates better and then score as needed
 
hrdboild said:
Hmm, maybe they're targeting Mara and would package both picks to do it.
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Moving from #7 (Mara potentially available) to #12 and #17 is really only on my radar if we're happy dropping from Acuff/Flemings to Philon/Anderson. Now, I actually like both Philon and Anderson so if Acuff is off the board I could be very tempted, as I don't see a lot of separation between Flemings and Philon/Anderson.

If anything, this is the draft to have a ton of picks in, so...
 
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Capt. Factorial said:
Moving from #7 (Mara potentially available) to #12 and #17 is really only on my radar if we're happy dropping from Acuff/Flemings to Philon/Anderson. Now, I actually like both Philon and Anderson so if Acuff is off the board I could be very tempted, as I don't see a lot of separation between Flemings and Philon/Anderson.

If anything, this is the draft to have a ton of picks in, so...
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theres also a chance you could get one of the Thunder guards back in a trade since they’re up against the roster limit as is.

If the deal was something like McCain/12/17 for 7, I’d do it. Probably would do it for Cason Wallace too despite the fact he’s going to want a big extension as part of the move.
 
I could see the Thunder trading up with the Nets at 6 or even the Clippers at 5 if there’s someone they really like and they want to be sure. They certainly have the assets to make such a move. I don’t think they’d be interested in any of the PGs the Kings are, so I’d welcome that development.
 
Tetsujin said:
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theres also a chance you could get one of the Thunder guards back in a trade since they’re up against the roster limit as is.

If the deal was something like McCain/12/17 for 7, I’d do it. Probably would do it for Cason Wallace too despite the fact he’s going to want a big extension as part of the move.
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Honestly, any of Ajay/McCain/Wallace with 12+17, i'd do it.
 
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The_Jamal said:
Sorry, I meant *any* not all lol
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I feel like we’d have to give up a lot more to get Ajay but if it were something like 7/2027 Spurs pick protections full off/the pick we’re swapping with the Spurs in 2030 where we still have the TWolves pick for Ajay/12/17, I’d still do it
 
The_Jamal said:
The more interesting question is if the offer is any of those guards+12 only? Or we don't get 17, but we get our protections back on the 27 spurs pick?
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Was wondering the inverse on if us taking all the protections off that Spurs pick would be enough to get them to bite considering the new flattened odds
 
Tetsujin said:
I feel like we’d have to give up a lot more to get Ajay but if it were something like 7/2027 Spurs pick protections full off/the pick we’re swapping with the Spurs in 2030 where we still have the TWolves pick for Ajay/12/17, I’d still do it
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I don't see how they keep Ajay, unless they just decide he's going to be their "4th" guy and the gut the rest of the expensive pieces around their big 3 and Mitchell.
 
LPKingsFan said:
I could see the Thunder trading up with the Nets at 6 or even the Clippers at 5 if there’s someone they really like and they want to be sure. They certainly have the assets to make such a move. I don’t think they’d be interested in any of the PGs the Kings are, so I’d welcome that development.
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i'm also expecting okc to move up for mara... on 5/24, as okc was showing it's weakness, i posted this on the "kings draft 7" thread:

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as i watch, tonight's playoff game, i ask myself, "if hartenstine were wemby's backup and kornet started for okc, wou;d okc be a better team?

not that hartenstine is a weak link, he just can't defend against wemby...

so, i ask myself, with all those future #1's, why WOULDN'T okc move up and select mara?...

at least mara can look wenby in the eye and defense is his specialty...

if mara lasts until #5, the clippers will probably grab him and if lac passes, brooklyn likely will take him, but perry has to be ready...

i'm not a fan of trading up, but if i REALLY want to bet the farm on acuff, and mara is also on the board, i probably trade down (maybe with atlanta, then maybe again, if i can still get acuff). i'm not a fan of spending a high pick on a point guard, unless he is a cade cunningham type (physically dominant), but if the kings don't take mara, i hope they get something for allowing another team to take him and he really would be "the missing piece" for okc


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how can we leverage ourselves?

well, IF we are thinking of sending domas to lac, part of that deal should be a pick swap with the clips... now we have #5 and okc has to deal with us... our price is the two lower picks okc has AND hartemstine (to replace domas)... then we use those picks to grab a wing and whatever pg drops...

if we can also move zach (and monk or hunter) for ja and aldama, all of a sudden, we are a younger, bigger and more of an upcoming contender.

core:

ja/pg in draft
nique/carter (or monk)
keegan/hunter or okc pick
max/aldama
hartenstine/cardwell

looks younger, looks good
 
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So assuming it’s Mara the Thunder want, does anyone think he might go higher than 7.

I could see the Clips or Nets getting in on the trade squeezing us out.

eleventy beat m to it… but yeah, could get interesting
 
Tetsujin said:
Was wondering the inverse on if us taking all the protections off that Spurs pick would be enough to get them to bite considering the new flattened odds
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If they can't move up I do wonder what we can offer them in that regard. They need to move off some salary too, maybe there are some options there. Including taking Deebo just to waive him (if that's allowed)?
 
Telemachus said:
No it's not. He said he tried to emulate Wallace's defensive style, but plays nothing like him on offense. His style on offense is to make his teammates better and then score as needed
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Which is why I put what I did in the parentheses. Just so it didn't create confusion.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Moving from #7 (Mara potentially available) to #12 and #17 is really only on my radar if we're happy dropping from Acuff/Flemings to Philon/Anderson. Now, I actually like both Philon and Anderson so if Acuff is off the board I could be very tempted, as I don't see a lot of separation between Flemings and Philon/Anderson.

If anything, this is the draft to have a ton of picks in, so...
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I agree. The draft is deep, make use of it. Come out with a risk/reward type and one of the PG's who for whatever reason have faded to the background and unless whoever falls to 7 becomes a superstar the team could be in a much better position moving forward.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
There's a rumor that the Nets have settled on Ament which really makes things interesting at 7.
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I mean if they want to continue to aim for the worst record in the league next season despite tht hurting their odds in the new system, they can go ahead and do so. The only reason this is even a thing is because they spent three of their five first round picks last year on point guards and only one of them looked moderately okay (Egor Demin) lol
 
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