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Bibby's blitz silences boo birds

Sacramento overcomes 20-point deficit as point guard catches fire

By Sam Amick - Bee Staff Writer

Published 12:00 am PST Tuesday, January 23, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C1
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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]It wasn't the only moment that was either going to light a match to the Kings' pride or spark a rare fire within.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]There was, for example, New Jersey center Mikki Moore dancing at midcourt at Arco Arena Monday night as if he were Terrell Owens on that infamous day in Dallas. The zany one in dreadlocks was gleeful like the rest of his squad for most of the evening, the surging Nets surviving just fine without Richard Jefferson as a 20-point, third-quarter lead looked anything but reversible.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]But Mike Bibby was inspired by something different, the sound of boos coming from the home fans after he missed a third-quarter free throw and responded by egging the home crowd on. He raised his arms from his hips as a sarcastic encouragement, then raised his game in a way that led to the Kings' largest comeback of the season and their only home comeback in an 88-87 win.[/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Bibby - who was 0 for 6 with one point through three quarters - scored the Kings' final 15 pointsin the fourth quarter, his game-winner coming after he missed an 18-footer, Brad Miller missed a putback layup, and a virtual three-way jump ball ended with a fortuitous bounce back out to Bibby.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]From nearly the same spot as his first attempt, Bibby's 19-footer fell through for the one-point lead with 10.3 seconds left. The Nets went to Jason Kidd for the counter that didn't fall. The point guard was pressured by Francisco García from half court, and his runner from the right fell harmlessly as the same fans who had grown so tired of the losing erupted with delight. After a 1-3 road trip in which the opposing fans didn't foster so much energy, the Kings won for the second time in three games.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]"Stuff like that really kind of hurt him a little bit, makes him angry inside," García said. "He was coaching the team (in the fourth quarter) when we were on the floor, like 'Yo, we've got to come back. They're not supposed to boo us like this. Let's go man. Let's show we can do it.' And we did it."[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]They did it by ending the game on a 35-14 run, with Bibby the only starter who was a fourth-quarter mainstay as an already-shaken-up roster was jostled a bit more. Kings forward Kenny Thomas was given his starting role back in place of Shareef Abdur-Rahim, but Thomas and shooting guard Kevin Martin did not play in the fourth quarter. Martin - who has sat for three of the last eight quarters and was 3 of 12 from the field against New Jersey - watched asFrancisco García and John Salmons played the entire final quarter.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]After the Kings cut the lead to 76-64 entering the fourth, Bibby's run began with 6:56 remaining. His three-pointer cut the lead to 83-76, and was followed by a reverse layup, another three, and a three-point play from a fast-break layup and foul. He hit two free throws with 40.6 seconds left to bring the Kings within one before capping the run with the fortuitous bounce and jumper.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]"I figured the first shot would've went in, but it was a little short," Bibby said. "I was hoping the guys kept (the ball) alive." Asked if the crowd's response bothered him, the longest-tenured King admitted as much.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]"If that's how they want to be, there's nothing I can do about it," he said. "I'm going to go out there and play the way I can. And if they don't like it, then that's them."[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]The Nets, meanwhile, were just 4 of 15 from the field in the fourth and missed their last four free throws. With 23.7 seconds left, Vince Carter spun in the lane and turned the ball over. It was his second turnover in the final 1:12.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]"I thought our defense in the fourth quarter was the best 12 minutes of defense that we've played all season long," Kings coach Eric Musselman said. "García did a great job, not only offensively but he helped us on the glass tonight (with eight rebounds)."[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Moore's antics were borne out of his own outburst, as he hit all eight of his shots in the first three quarters and set a career high with 22 points. He didn't shoot in the final period, though, when Carter and Kidd were a combined 2 of 6. Kidd finished with his eighth triple double of the season (18 points, 10 assists and 10 rebounds).[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Kings small forward Ron Artest had all 21 of his points in the first three quarters and was 9 of 22 overall.[/FONT]
 
But Mike Bibby was inspired by something different, the sound of boos coming from the home fans after he missed a third-quarter free throw and responded by egging the home crowd on. He raised his arms from his hips as a sarcastic encouragement, then raised his game in a way that led to the Kings' largest comeback of the season and their only home comeback in an 88-87 win.

"Stuff like that really kind of hurt him a little bit, makes him angry inside," García said. "He was coaching the team (in the fourth quarter) when we were on the floor, like 'Yo, we've got to come back. They're not supposed to boo us like this. Let's go man. Let's show we can do it.' And we did it."

"I figured the first shot would've went in, but it was a little short," Bibby said. "I was hoping the guys kept (the ball) alive." Asked if the crowd's response bothered him, the longest-tenured King admitted as much.

"If that's how they want to be, there's nothing I can do about it," he said. "I'm going to go out there and play the way I can. And if they don't like it, then that's them."

And this is what's frustrating about the Kings, or at least Mike in this instance. He has to get boo'd and embarassed to play well, it seems.

You know Mike, just play like you want to win all the time. You should be embarassed about the team's record and play this season. Why can't you be motivated to do well all the time and not just when you haven't hit a bucket in 3 quarters.....

I think this is why so many folks are on the "blow it up" bandwagon.
 
Well I was at the game last night, was good effort thru the half keeping it close, but the collapse in the third quarter was just AWFUL!!!!

To see another third quater collapse at home was really too much to bear at first. Wow it was just hard to watch we went down by 10 points, we mere missing everything, we were getting torched by Mikki Moore? Dang looked it up in the program who is this guy? Program said 8 years experience, must have rode a lot of pine, sure dont remember him at all. Muss took a time out but sure didnt help any seemed it was just a few min later and we were down 20pts and Muss takes another time out. This time the Boo Birds were very loud (although i am not a boo bird - I did scream out " Hey This is embarrissing" )

Per article:

"Stuff like that really kind of hurt him a little bit, makes him angry inside," García said. "He was coaching the team (in the fourth quarter) when we were on the floor, like 'Yo, we've got to come back. They're not supposed to boo us like this. Let's go man. Let's show we can do it.' And we did it."

Well yeah we are not supposed to Boo home team, but hey the players were the ones sucking so badly on the court. Muss's time out didnt help, we should not have to Boo Mike Bibby to get him mad enough to get out there and play with some heart, intensity and leadership. Before Boos 1 pt, After Boos 15 pts and leads team to big time comeback. Its real simple Mike, If you dont want to get booed get off your ***, get your shooting stroke back in practice, put some effort into defense and start leading the team!!!
 
And this is what's frustrating about the Kings, or at least Mike in this instance. He has to get boo'd and embarassed to play well, it seems.

You know Mike, just play like you want to win all the time. You should be embarassed about the team's record and play this season. Why can't you be motivated to do well all the time and not just when you haven't hit a bucket in 3 quarters.....

I think this is why so many folks are on the "blow it up" bandwagon.

Right on warhawk, i know i said pretty much same thing you were just faster than i was. Dang my hunt n peck typing skills :)
 
Some atheltes don't get it, if you play like crap or just flat out suck your going to get boo'd, if your playing bad they are not going to cheer you so just shut up and play.
 
Anyone notice Bibby's antics last night?? During the dreadful 3rd quarter meltdown when the boo birds(myself included) were letting the team have it Bibby went to the free throw line. He clanked the first one and people started to boo and Bibby started raising his arms like "okay, bring it on" and it was really a childish gesture and made alot of people more pissed.

This teams lack of effort is just astonishing to me and they truly do not even care.
 
I don't agree with what you're all saying. If a fan bothers enough to buy a ticket to support his/her team then they should do just that. You're all saying "He just doesn't get it, win games and we'll cheer", I think it's you that just doesn't get it. This team, simply put, is not going to win a tonne of games. They're not a good team. Anyone that boos players from there own team is not a good fan. I don't care what anyone says, if you're not goin to support your team, don't got to the games. Booing does no good.

Secondly, you don't seem to realise that Mike Bibby cannot just choose when his shots go in. Just because he's not making them doesn't mean he's not trying. He was the hero in this game, completely carried us back. If he had missed some of those shots would it have meant he was trying any less? No. Shots just woudn't have been falling. The team tries there best, they're just not a good team.

If you're frustrated as a fan, think how the players feel. And don't come at me with the "they're getting paid millions of dollars...Poor them". They want to win more than any of us fans, whether you want to believe it or not. They're the ones that worked there asses off to get here in the first place. They're the ones that worked to get that contract in the first place and some are looking for new contracts. Don't tell me they're not trying.

Bad team, bad coach = Losing team.

Not the players fault. The least we can do as fans is cheer them on, let them know we're behind them.

By booing them, you're being a fairweather fan. No argument, that's how it is. Booing your team because they're not as good as they used to be is ridiculous. Why don't you just go and support another team.
 
I don't agree with what you're all saying. If a fan bothers enough to buy a ticket to support his/her team then they should do just that. You're all saying "He just doesn't get it, win games and we'll cheer", I think it's you that just doesn't get it. This team, simply put, is not going to win a tonne of games. They're not a good team. Anyone that boos players from there own team is not a good fan. I don't care what anyone says, if you're not goin to support your team, don't got to the games. Booing does no good.

Secondly, you don't seem to realise that Mike Bibby cannot just choose when his shots go in. Just because he's not making them doesn't mean he's not trying. He was the hero in this game, completely carried us back. If he had missed some of those shots would it have meant he was trying any less? No. Shots just woudn't have been falling. The team tries there best, they're just not a good team.

If you're frustrated as a fan, think how the players feel. And don't come at me with the "they're getting paid millions of dollars...Poor them". They want to win more than any of us fans, whether you want to believe it or not. They're the ones that worked there asses off to get here in the first place. They're the ones that worked to get that contract in the first place and some are looking for new contracts. Don't tell me they're not trying.

Bad team, bad coach = Losing team.

Not the players fault. The least we can do as fans is cheer them on, let them know we're behind them.

By booing them, you're being a fairweather fan. No argument, that's how it is. Booing your team because they're not as good as they used to be is ridiculous. Why don't you just go and support another team.

Re-read my post. I said nothing about winning. I want effort and desire to win. They can lose every game the rest of the season as long as they are putting out the effort to win and I am satisfied. Do I want wins? OF COURSE! But I will support my team as long as they play with effort and desire.

It's Mike's comment "Yo, we've got to come back. They're not supposed to boo us like this. Let's go man. Let's show we can do it." that really chaps my hide. Mike, why don't you play like that BEFORE the boo's start raining down, huh? Maybe then you won't have to hear them to begin with, or is that a foreign concept?
 
Mike played like complete and utter crap through the first three quarters. No question. No argument. Love Mike, still have a sentimental-yet-probably-unrealistic hope to keep him on the team throughout any and all rebuilding efforts, but he sucked.

Fourth quarter was vintage, clutch Bibby. And, while I've got my reservations about really celebrating this win, it was exciting to see that again.

As for the booing (of which I'm not a fan, but... well... thoroughly tired of that argument a few seasons ago) and Mike's reaction... don't know.

Yes it would have been nice to have seen that effort/success from Mike throughout the rest of the game, but I'd be a LOT more concerned today if we were discussing the fact that he was booed and didn't get pissed off because of it.
 
If you're frustrated as a fan, think how the players feel. And don't come at me with the "they're getting paid millions of dollars...Poor them". They want to win more than any of us fans, whether you want to believe it or not...Don't tell me they're not trying.

By booing them, you're being a fairweather fan.

i'd like to see you tell clippers fan that tim thomas cares, or knicks fans that jerome james cares. athletes aren't always model professionals. heck, i'd like to see brad actually work out in the summer instead of hunting (team USA duties this past summer not withstanding), or peja working on his game. not all of these guys care. some do, but not all.

if the booing is deserved, then have at it, folks. consider it providing the team feedback. after all, if i get crappy service at a restaurant, i'd complain to management, wouldn't you?

If a fan bothers enough to buy a ticket to support his/her team then they should do just that... I don't care what anyone says, if you're not goin to support your team, don't got to the games. Booing does no good.

watching the games or buying tickets IS supporting the team. support doesn't mean unconditional love, you know. and apparently, booing DOES do some good....see last night's game + bibby, mike.
 
Anybody see Mike, during the height of the booing last night, gesture to the crowd in a "I can't hear you", type thing?

I was like WTF.
 
i'd like to see you tell clippers fan that tim thomas cares, or knicks fans that jerome james cares. athletes aren't always model professionals. heck, i'd like to see brad actually work out in the summer instead of hunting (team USA duties this past summer not withstanding), or peja working on his game. not all of these guys care. some do, but not all.

Forunately, Tim Thomas is not king and neither is Jerome James ;)

Well, if you're upset about Brad not working out (I'm not saying his lack of work is a godd thing) then don't take it out on him on the court when he's trying his hardest. I actually believe that Peja worked on his game. You don't just become one of the best shooters in the world by not practicing.

if the booing is deserved, then have at it, folks. consider it providing the team feedback. after all, if i get crappy service at a restaurant, i'd complain to management, wouldn't you?

Or consider yourself a bad fan. IMO if you're not going to help your team by cheering then go somewhere else.

No, if I went to a restauraunt that I knew sucked real bad, and payed my money for there food then that would be my fault. Hence, go to another team if you don't like losing (which every team does at some stage).



watching the games or buying tickets IS supporting the team. support doesn't mean unconditional love, you know. and apparently, booing DOES do some good....see last night's game + bibby, mike.


But booing them isn't. I've played on front of big crowds, I can tell you that cheering helps alot more then booing (which just pisses players off since you think you're fans can't understand how good you're team/opponent is etc.) No fan should boo there team. If you don't like the way the team plays, don't buy a ticket.

By the way, I'm in no way trying to insult you or anything like that, just saying my opinion. :)

And Warhawk, I wasn't talking about your post. Just the thread in general. No hard feelings!
 
No fan should boo there team. If you don't like the way the team plays, don't buy a ticket.

By the way, I'm in no way trying to insult you or anything like that, just saying my opinion. :)

And Warhawk, I wasn't talking about your post. Just the thread in general. No hard feelings!

No problem at all.

I, for one, think booing is fine if the team clearly didn't show up to play. I don't demand wins, I demand playing like you want to win. I can respect a bad team that plays hard.

Mike saying that, in effect, he wasn't trying all that hard until the boos came really torques me. That's why I think the boos, in this case, are fine by me. Show some effort, do something good - anything good - and the crowd will respond. They always do at ARCO.
 
Bibby's blitzes, boo birds

I agree with those that feel no one wants to win more than the players. This team is what it is, period. And let's see, oh yeah, one more thing to pick on Miller for. You play 8 straight months, get about 3 days off a month from practice or games, it is rare you spend "going home" time with your family for holidays, you work out in the summer and you think you deserve some time to go hunting??? Come on, you don't get to have a life--we fans own you, we want to know all of your personal business too. Now about posting about his playing-yep, we are all okay with that, good or bad. Annie.
 
I think it should be okay to express your opinion about the team in any way shape or form, especially since the fans are paying for the product.

Don't like the product? Express yourself.

Don't agree with how someone expresses themself? Express yourself too, but don't label anyone else in the process.

None of this makes anyone a better or worse fan for it.
 
I think it should be okay to express your opinion about the team in any way shape or form, especially since the fans are paying for the product.

If you don't like the product, no one is forcing you to pay for it. Pay for a product you do like, it doesn't cost much more, if anything.

Don't agree with how someone expresses themself? Express yourself too, but don't label anyone else in the process.

If this was aimed at me, I didn't label anyone anything.

None of this makes anyone a better or worse fan for it.

In your opinion. IMO and BudWrights, it does change what kind of fan you are.
 
In your opinion. IMO and BudWrights, it does change what kind of fan you are.

no hard feelings, it's all good.

but you essentially say that there can only be two types of fans, good or bad, and that's just not true. there are shades of gray. i brought this up with you before, knicks fans are not any worse fans for booing the knicks, it's clear that they don't show up to play. these are fans who have been with the knicks all their lives, and most likely will to their grave; i don't think you find better fans than that.

and re: budwright, no, we do not own brad miller, he can go hunting if he wants. but then, you can't actually be surprised that your game doesn't improve and the fans will let you hear about it.

it'd be one thing if every NBA player just chills during the summer and does whatever they wish, but it's obvious that some choose to work on their craft. the superstars work on their games in the summer, that is why they don't get booed, and that attitude is why they lead their teams to wins.
 
But booing them isn't. I've played on front of big crowds, I can tell you that cheering helps alot more then booing (which just pisses players off since you think you're fans can't understand how good you're team/opponent is etc.) No fan should boo there team. If you don't like the way the team plays, don't buy a ticket.

again, it helped mike out last night... maybe some guys just need to play with a chip on their shoulder.
 
again, it helped mike out last night... maybe some guys just need to play with a chip on their shoulder.


I hate you/**** you fans is not a sustainable chip. That's poison right there, and either the player ends up leaving town, or the mutual disdain continues to build until it gets really ugly. Portland developed an us against the fans mentality too there after a while. Oddly now they have neither those players nor those fans.
 
I hate you/**** you fans is not a sustainable chip. That's poison right there, and either the player ends up leaving town, or the mutual disdain continues to build until it gets really ugly. Portland developed an us against the fans mentality too there after a while. Oddly now they have neither those players nor those fans.

guess that that's true. but in this case, not the end of the world if mike decides to leave, if we go ahead with operation: rebuild the kings men.
 
I hate you/**** you fans is not a sustainable chip. That's poison right there, and either the player ends up leaving town, or the mutual disdain continues to build until it gets really ugly. Portland developed an us against the fans mentality too there after a while. Oddly now they have neither those players nor those fans.

That is what I am afraid of with the booing. Besides that fact that I find it personally tacky, it does not help team morale. One thing that I have always loved about this team is the relationship between the players and fans, especially when they played at ARCO. IT has always been an "us" against the other team mentality. It was a great thing that is missing with most teams. I have seen many games played in many different cities. I have not had the opportunity to attend a game is Sac, but I can tell you that even seeing it on tv, those other arenas do not even compare. That seems to be gone now.

Maybe we feel entitled to have a great team each season. Maybe we did get spoiled. I don't know. I just hope that as fans, we return to the classy way we used to be. I also hope that it does not take us as long to rebuild as it is going to take Petrie to get the team back into championship contention. Just as this organization is better than they have shown this season, so are we.
 
That is what I am afraid of with the booing. Besides that fact that I find it personally tacky, it does not help team morale. One thing that I have always loved about this team is the relationship between the players and fans, especially when they played at ARCO. IT has always been an "us" against the other team mentality. It was a great thing that is missing with most teams. I have seen many games played in many different cities. I have not had the opportunity to attend a game is Sac, but I can tell you that even seeing it on tv, those other arenas do not even compare. That seems to be gone now.

Maybe we feel entitled to have a great team each season. Maybe we did get spoiled. I don't know. I just hope that as fans, we return to the classy way we used to be. I also hope that it does not take us as long to rebuild as it is going to take Petrie to get the team back into championship contention. Just as this organization is better than they have shown this season, so are we.

No, no, no. That feeling is still there, the booing is just for repeated long term lousy effort and decisionmaking, not wins/losses. At least in my experience. The only booing at a loss is when the refs cost us a game (like the infamous goaltending calls, etc) and are directed at the refs, not the fans.

Think of it this way - if you are at a NASCAR race and your favorite driver is only driving at 3/4 speed - just for the heck of it. He's not sick. The car is fine. He's just not "into it" today. Feels like taking it easy. For 2/3 of the race all the cheering in the world doesn't get him to drive any faster - he just doesn't give a **** that day. You paid a lot of $$$ to watch him race, and usually he's very competitive. Wouldn't you feel cheated and upset, maybe boo him? Same thing. I wouldn't boo if our guy doesn't "win the race", only if he's blatantly not competing.
 
I would not boo.
The thing with this team is that I do not think that they are "blatantly not competing." They are just not good enough as a team. I think that they are trying. Maybe they have come to the same realization that we as fans have arrived at: They are not a good team, even in contention for a playoff spot. I am sure that adrenaline and maybe a little wounded pride kicked in with Bibby after the booing. I don't know. None of us do. Mike and the others may have played terribly for a good portion of the game, but they never stopped trying. They were still fighting even before the booing began. Losing is not always equated with not trying.
I would not boo.
 
The boos usually come because of a perceived lack of effort, or bad judgement. If they're moving the ball, passing and cutting until they get an open shot, no one will boo if they miss it. But when you have Artest going one-on-four, then loses the ball without a shot, or Bibby trying to be Mr. 33 foot shot with 21 on the shot clock, then you're going to get booed.

Play with your head...still suck...nobody is going to boo you.
 
no hard feelings, it's all good.

Of course man, that's what the boards are here for, I'm not trying to upset anyone. :)

but you essentially say that there can only be two types of fans, good or bad, and that's just not true.

I think this is a misunderstanding. I didn't mean to imply that there is only two types of fan, good and bad. I just meant that IMO whether you boo or cheer your team changes what kind of fan you are.

there are shades of gray. i brought this up with you before, knicks fans are not any worse fans for booing the knicks, it's clear that they don't show up to play. these are fans who have been with the knicks all their lives, and most likely will to their grave; i don't think you find better fans than that.

I kind of agree here. Tbh, I have only seen the Kings three times this year so maybe my opinions are a little less worthy than yours. But the three games I did see (Dallas, Knicks(loss), Boston), it just seemed that the team just isn't that good to be competitive every night.
IMO when the team loses it's not because of lack of effort, it's 'cause of lack of team unity. IMO, on paper, we are much better than how we're playing. But I still think we suck. We have talent but this team just doesn't fit at all so I think we won't make the POs. I'm hoping for a re-build. But back to the point, I don't think it's right for fans to boo because the team isn't good.

But maybe in other games when they have been booed, maybe they weren't playing with effort. I don't honestly know since I didn't see them, but I'm guessing all the losses are coming because of the bad team we have and we have no player who can take over a game in the fourth (Bibby is clutch as hell, but doesn't have the athletic ability to take over the game).


and re: budwright, no, we do not own brad miller, he can go hunting if he wants. but then, you can't actually be surprised that your game doesn't improve and the fans will let you hear about it.

I find it hard to believe that a naturally slow, unathletic centre that didn't get drafted didn't work his *** off to get here in the first place. This is just a difference of opinions.

it'd be one thing if every NBA player just chills during the summer and does whatever they wish, but it's obvious that some choose to work on their craft. the superstars work on their games in the summer, that is why they don't get booed, and that attitude is why they lead their teams to wins.

Absolutely agreed. Martin has a huge work ethic, I remember reading all about the hard work during the summer and he proved it pays off. Lets hope he keeps working as hard to improve his all-round game.
 
I would not boo.
The thing with this team is that I do not think that they are "blatantly not competing." They are just not good enough as a team. I think that they are trying. Maybe they have come to the same realization that we as fans have arrived at: They are not a good team, even in contention for a playoff spot. I am sure that adrenaline and maybe a little wounded pride kicked in with Bibby after the booing. I don't know. None of us do. Mike and the others may have played terribly for a good portion of the game, but they never stopped trying. They were still fighting even before the booing began. Losing is not always equated with not trying.
I would not boo.


I agree completely! What is being perceived as lack of effort is probably a combination of being overmatched, poor coaching, and general confusion. They don't have that extra spark or passion that goes with KNOWING that you're a good team, and having the confidence to win, but I don't think the players are really not trying. These guys did not make it to the NBA by being noncompetitive, and if you think we hate losing, I guarantee that they hate it more. Very similar to the boos when Webb came back, he was limited physically and struggling, but he was giving his best. Was bringing him back the way they did the best thing for the team, who really knows, but obviously Adelman & Webb thought it was the best chance for the team, and all Webb was trying to do was win. The current team is not a championship team. Heck, with the current coach, they're probably not even a playoff team. But, I do think they are trying their best, and I think that deserves our support. I would not boo.
 
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