Assessing Giles (January version)
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Question. Last night harry thru a fall away lob pass into the corner which I thought was going to be a turnover but instead JJ caught it in corner and hit a 3....
Did Giles intend to lob that pass where only JJ could get it like a QB to a WR in corner of end zone??? Or was it a wild throw that he lost control of and just got lucky?
Did Giles intend to lob that pass where only JJ could get it like a QB to a WR in corner of end zone??? Or was it a wild throw that he lost control of and just got lucky?
I'm going to go with Bagley as the one with the most potential. Giles has the most complete, smooth game. But Bagley is the most raw and given equal time on the court today, he would still be the most productive (yes, it's all subjective. Just my opinion man). So I can only imagine what he could do with a better understanding of the game and how to use his athleticism. I can see a significant increase in year 2 like we saw with Fox. I love Fox, but it may come down to consistency with his shot. I understand his shoulder may be playing a factor in these last few games, but then we don't know because his NBA history hasn't shown us a consistent shot throughout a season yet.
I just think we have a talented core, and being able to have this kind of debate is remarkable considering where we were at 18 months ago.
I just think we have a talented core, and being able to have this kind of debate is remarkable considering where we were at 18 months ago.
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I was double-facepalming on that play - first when JJ reached out to catch it instead of letting it go out of bounds (I thought he barely caught it himself) and then again when he took the shot from so deep on the baseline he was well behind the backboard (though, to be fair, the shot clock was winding down and he had to do something). Then it went in. A classic "No, no, no, No, NO...YES!" play.
Here is a pass by Jokic. I post it because most NBA players have no chance of making this play. It takes 2 attributes. Incredible hands and incredible court vision.
The only person besides Jokic that has his hands and his court vision is Giles. Vlade has the court vision but not the hands. Jokic developed his hands playing water polo. But is hand size is only 8 3/4. Giles was gifted 10 3/4 hand size.
The only person besides Jokic that has his hands and his court vision is Giles. Vlade has the court vision but not the hands. Jokic developed his hands playing water polo. But is hand size is only 8 3/4. Giles was gifted 10 3/4 hand size.
I mean Harry had like two spectacular passes this game (the chasedown/steal/casual toss over the entirety of the Pistons defense to Buddy and the wraparound pass to Bagley as he was falling out of bounds) and he hasn't played serious basketball since his junior year of high school.
Their situations have been completely different as Jokic has received plenty of time playing overseas and then since his rookie season in Denver where Malone essentially just handed him the reigns and let him max out his talents to the point he's become a potential MVP candidate while Harry has had two catastrophic knee injuries that cost him two years of high school ball, a couple of minutes of college basketball off the bench and an entire season of rehab.
I think the thing that we can say is that if there were someone capable of surpassing Jokic as the premiere passing big of the 21st century, it would be Harry Giles.
Their situations have been completely different as Jokic has received plenty of time playing overseas and then since his rookie season in Denver where Malone essentially just handed him the reigns and let him max out his talents to the point he's become a potential MVP candidate while Harry has had two catastrophic knee injuries that cost him two years of high school ball, a couple of minutes of college basketball off the bench and an entire season of rehab.
I think the thing that we can say is that if there were someone capable of surpassing Jokic as the premiere passing big of the 21st century, it would be Harry Giles.
Exactly. No one is saying Giles is better than Jokic now. What we are saying is what makes Jokic special is 2 maybe 3 things: incredible hands, incredible court vision, extremely unselfish. Very few people have all three. Jokic does. Giles does also. Whether those ingredients come together remains to be seen but the talent is there. See the pass at the :46 mark
Giles could be our idea pick and roll from the low post as they could not sag on our guard because Giles can shoot.
He had the fouls and turnovers last night but he’s still learning and is beginning to play more controlled.
Better than Bagley or Fox? Only time can tell but the teams future is very bright.
He had the fouls and turnovers last night but he’s still learning and is beginning to play more controlled.
Better than Bagley or Fox? Only time can tell but the teams future is very bright.
Yep definitely would not have been on the Kings, he would have been a Top-2 pick. Actually now that I think about it he probably goes #1 to Boston because I don't think Boston would have traded away the #1 pick if they had Giles there instead of Fultz.
Makes you wonder just how athletic he was (before the injuries) and how athletic he would have been now at 20 years old. He still has above average athleticism for the NBA but he's not as quick laterally or as explosive as Bagley and WCS. Giles still seems stiff to me in comparison to those two. Where he makes up for it of course is superior basketball IQ.
I still worry about his knees long term. No question he has the talent to become an all-star but are his knees going to hold up?
Makes you wonder just how athletic he was (before the injuries) and how athletic he would have been now at 20 years old. He still has above average athleticism for the NBA but he's not as quick laterally or as explosive as Bagley and WCS. Giles still seems stiff to me in comparison to those two. Where he makes up for it of course is superior basketball IQ.
I still worry about his knees long term. No question he has the talent to become an all-star but are his knees going to hold up?
Do you happen to know the name of the only center to lead the league in assists? I'll give you a clue, he also led the league in points and rebounds that same year, and yes, he's obviously the only center to do that as well. Hint, his first name is Wilt.........
By the way, one of the best passing centers was Sabonis when he was with with Portland. Dam shame he came over to the NBA so late.
By the way, one of the best passing centers was Sabonis when he was with with Portland. Dam shame he came over to the NBA so late.
