2-0 Weekend!!!!

[Purple Reign]

Congrats to Coach Musselman and Team!!!!

Coach, you take a lot of heat here, I want to give you some praise. Nice going. Keep up the good work and we may see some basketball in May

 

[Vlade4GM]

woopty freakin doo, hooray for no gain at all. yay!!

 

[VF21]

woopty freakin doo, hooray for no gain at all. yay!!

This is just wrong IMHO. It should never come down to getting on people for being happy their team won.

 

[BMiller52]

This is just wrong IMHO. It should never come down to getting on people for being happy their team won.

Considering all these wins are really harmful to the future of this team IMO it's fine.

 

[Elise10]

Considering all these wins are really harmful to the future of this team IMO it's fine.

Not as if you can just tell the current team to lose for the sake of the future either.

We won a back to back set of games, for once just leave it at that

 

[Rain man]

Considering all these wins are really harmful to the future of this team IMO it's fine.

Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. All of this negativity is starting to make me sick. Excuse me for being happy that the guys haven't quit on the season and still seem to care. Go KINGS forever and always.

 

[NikateeN]

Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. All of this negativity is starting to make me sick. Excuse me for being happy that the guys haven't quit on the season and still seem to care. Go KINGS forever and always.

Im with ya there, im happy to see them get some wins.

All the negativity comes from what i like to call fans of the future, beeing that they will become fans the minute we become a great team, while the rest of us are fans RIGHT NOW, you support your team no matter what and should always be happy with wins, if not then you should really think about moving on to another team, because obviously this aint the team for you.

 

[91sickness]

friendly reminder if this is KINGSFANS.COM if you would like to root for the kings to lose please feel free to become a member of LAKERSFANS.COM, otherwise we (kings fans) should be happy when our team wins, we r not in the oden durant hunt so at this point i want wins. GO KINGS!!! FOREVER

 

[BMiller52]

Im with ya there, im happy to see them get some wins.

All the negativity comes from what i like to call fans of the future, beeing that they will become fans the minute we become a great team, while the rest of us are fans RIGHT NOW, you support your team no matter what and should always be happy with wins, if not then you should really think about moving on to another team, because obviously this aint the team for you.

Oh please save all this garbage about how there are people who are fans right now and how they're the only real fans and blah blah blah. Everyone wants THIS TEAM to do well. There's a reason I want LA or SA or other teams who may or may not be mediocre to be mediocre. There's a reason I want to see Kevin Martin have another player who can be a franchise player. Because you don't win unless you have 2 really good players, at least usually. And honestly I would rather see the young guys play. But does that mean that Vlade4GM, me, and whoever else would like to see this team get another franchise player in the draft aren't fans? Nope.

 

[NikateeN]

Oh please save all this garbage about how there are people who are fans right now and how they're the only real fans and blah blah blah. Everyone wants THIS TEAM to do well. There's a reason I want LA or SA or other teams who may or may not be mediocre to be mediocre. There's a reason I want to see Kevin Martin have another player who can be a franchise player. Because you don't win unless you have 2 really good players, at least usually. And honestly I would rather see the young guys play. But does that mean that Vlade4GM, me, and whoever else would like to see this team get another franchise player in the draft aren't fans? Nope.

Everybody here wants the team to be better, we want to win a championship, but its just stupid to want your team to lose, im sorry you dont see that.

If i want my girlfriend to lose weight im not gonna be a complete prick to her untill the day she finally does, thats not right, niether is wishing something bad upon your team.

Kingsfans.com, not Kingsfanswhentheygetsomebetterplayersandarecontenders.com

 

[BMiller52]

Everybody here wants the team to be better, we want to win a championship, but its just stupid to want your team to lose, im sorry you dont see that.

If i want my girlfriend to lose weight im not gonna be a complete prick to her untill the day she finally does, thats not right, niether is wishing something bad upon your team.

Kingsfans.com, not Kingsfanswhentheygetsomebetterplayersandarecontenders.com

Except you won't win a championship unless you build a core of other young guys around Martin.

 

[NikateeN]

Except you won't win a championship unless you build a core of other young guys around Martin.

Your right, but all we can do is wait, it might happen soon, it might not, nothing WE can do will change that, so might as well enjoy the game while we wait.

 

[Vlade4GM]

This is just wrong IMHO. It should never come down to getting on people for being happy their team won.

i think it's wrong to discriminate against the people who want a better draft position for the kings, i don't think one goal is any more or less genuine or nobel than the other. i think i should be allowed to express my frustration through sarcasm, but hey it's not my board dude so duely noted.

 

[JayBird]

Awesome. Another "feel-good" thread turned into the ongoing "who are the real fans" thread. I know I don't post here as much as I used to, and maybe that means I shouldn't be so judgemental, but can you tankers please just stay out of the happy threads?

If it will help you sleep better at night, for every thread started that celebrates wins, why don't you just start another counter-thread to whine about how we're one step further from our elusive "franchise player". For example, this thread is titled "2-0 Weekend!!!!" Instead of raining on the parade, you could start a thread called "Oh crap, a 2-0 weekend" or "2 games farther from Oden/Durant". That way, those of us who are happy for our current team can have this thread, and the future-planners can have their own, and we can all be Kings fans at the same time and sing koom-ba-ya.

This ongoing Kingsfans civil war is getting a bit old, no?

 

[diggining]

It's not really an issue of how you feel about the Kings winning games right now; the point, imo, is that we should respect others' opinions and feelings whether you agree with them or not, and begging on people who express their feelings of joy when they see a Kings win can be understandably annoying.


I think it boils down to this: constructive criticism is fine, impassioned but respectful disagreement is fine, even unabashed adulation is acceptable! But when it comes to fellow posters on this board, it's back to "when you don't have nothin' nice to say, don't say notin' at all". At least that's the philosophy I try to adopt anyway.

 

[VF21]

Oh please save all this garbage about how there are people who are fans right now and how they're the only real fans and blah blah blah. Everyone wants THIS TEAM to do well. There's a reason I want LA or SA or other teams who may or may not be mediocre to be mediocre. There's a reason I want to see Kevin Martin have another player who can be a franchise player. Because you don't win unless you have 2 really good players, at least usually. And honestly I would rather see the young guys play. But does that mean that Vlade4GM, me, and whoever else would like to see this team get another franchise player in the draft aren't fans? Nope.

The point is that there's no need for you to rain on people's parade when they're celebrating a win.

 

[ParniValjak]

We even suck at sucking

 

[slugking50]

Awesome. Another "feel-good" thread turned into the ongoing "who are the real fans" thread. I know I don't post here as much as I used to, and maybe that means I shouldn't be so judgemental, but can you tankers please just stay out of the happy threads?

If it will help you sleep better at night, for every thread started that celebrates wins, why don't you just start another counter-thread to whine about how we're one step further from our elusive "franchise player". For example, this thread is titled "2-0 Weekend!!!!" Instead of raining on the parade, you could start a thread called "Oh crap, a 2-0 weekend" or "2 games farther from Oden/Durant". That way, those of us who are happy for our current team can have this thread, and the future-planners can have their own, and we can all be Kings fans at the same time and sing koom-ba-ya.

This ongoing Kingsfans civil war is getting a bit old, no?

< Que Guns N Roses Cival War in the Background >

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm weighing in here as an admitted heavyweight, and throwing that weight around.

1) Enough bickering on this topic. Years ago we actually started experimenting with creating "pollyanna" threads as safe harbors for rah rahing. Not sure if there are enough of us left to do that nowadays without zapping board vitality, but if I read one more self righteous comment about how your way of being a fan is the right way, I'm going to vomit. Petty bickering over a dunghill.

2) If you are rooting for the team to win right now, that makes sense as a "fan". Unfortunately it may also be not smart. Hence the problem.

I do understand the awkwardness of that position for a fan -- no fun at all. And so if its easier and cleaner and more "fanlike" to just say "go team!", I understand...even if personally I think you may in effect be inadvertently rooting for your own franchise's demise. But please spare me the righteous indignation for those who are looking deeper. They've got a lot more on their mind than just "go team!" These are dangerous times for this franchise, and (channeling my inner Geoff) while playing the ostrich may be more comfy as a fan, going so far as to try to cull the people watching for approaching lions because you don't want to hear it is...

 

[Jerryaki]

1) Enough bickering on this topic. Years ago we actually started experimenting with creating "pollyanna" threads as safe harbors for rah rahing.

how do these threads work? may be good for these times. it seems to me that this was clearly a celebratory thread, and i think the fans who want to cheer our rare back to back road wins should have the opportunity to do so without being bashed for it. a lot of people here have chimed in on the "to boo or not to boo" argument, and a large chunk of this board is in the "not to boo" group (i am not); this is the same thing. the people who are celebrating in this particular thread did not come here to get boo'ed.

for the record, i'm of the better-draft-so-tank camp. but still...doesn't mean that people can't celebrate their team's victories if they want to. ultimately, whether one group is "right" or not isn't going to affect this franchise's fortunes.

 

[GoGoGadget]

how do these threads work?

They don't, apparently.

If there was going to be any attempt at starting a rah-rah/feel-good thread, I'm guessing this was it. And I'm guessing that any future attempts at creating such a thread would also turn into little more than petty bickering and self-righteous proclamations on what it means to be a "real" fan.

Just as, I'm sure, a thread dedicated to bitching about the franchise's failure to take advantage of a crappy roster and deep draft would also turn into such an argument.

And, really, while I'm as sick of reading that particular argument as everyone else is, don't know that I could stomach a thread full of nothing more than "Yeah!", "Me too!", and "Ditto" much more easily. So... bit of a catch 22, it seems.

 

[diggining]

They've got a lot more on their mind than just "go team!" These are dangerous times for this franchise, and (channeling my inner Geoff) while playing the ostrich may be more comfy as a fan, going so far as to try to cull the people watching for approaching lions because you don't want to hear it is...

I really think that this is tangential to the question at hand here. Irregardless of one's position on how they feel about the Kings winning games, (as Jerryaki pointed out) one could still feel that begging on purple reign there just wasn't a very nice thing to do.

Not sure if there are enough of us left to do that nowadays without zapping board vitality, but if I read one more self righteous comment about how your way of being a fan is the right way, I'm going to vomit. Petty bickering over a dunghill.

I also don't think this is relevant either. I think the point people are making here is not that their way of being a fan is the right way, but that there is a certain standard of respect people should hold for one another on a forum of communication like this one. Admittedly, on most internet message boards today, the standard of what constitutes acceptable is far lower. I have always thought/felt that this is a forum in which people are held to a higher standard than most other boards, but maybe I am wrong, or my expectations are too high. I do not expect others to agree with my views, but I do expect them to respect what I have to say, and I try to treat others here in the same way.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I also don't think this is relevant either. I think the point people are making here is not that their way of being a fan is the right way, but that there is a certain standard of respect people should hold for one another on a forum of communication like this one. Admittedly, on most internet message boards today, the standard of what constitutes acceptable is far lower. I have always thought/felt that this is a forum in which people are held to a higher standard than most other boards, but maybe I am wrong, or my expectations are too high. I do not expect others to agree with my views, but I do expect them to respect what I have to say, and I try to treat others here in the same way.

Voicing an alternate opinion is not the same thing as disrespect.

The only thing, in my opinion, that can be seen as disrespectful in this thread (or the countless others that have gone down the same path) is the
snarky, defensive need to prove that a particular way of being a fan is THE right way. And the comments there have been pretty snarky and condescending on both sides of the fence.

 

[Entity]

Either way our future isn't lost with wins. We could never land a top 5 or maybe even a top 10 pick anyway with the other crap teams the NBA has to offer. So whats the difference between 13th pick and 17th pick not much so if you can't root for Oden might as well root for the 8th seed just like we all did last year.

 

[diggining]

Voicing an alternate opinion is certainly not the same thing as disrespect, but there are different ways of voicing objections, and it is the way it was done, in the context of this thread, that made it seem inappropriate to me. As I said earlier, maybe my expectations were too high; in which case, what was done was acceptable, and I was just being too sensitive about what's reasonable and what's not. But enough people here seemed genuinely annoyed by what has happened that it seems to me that I am not the only one who thinks that we can, and should, show more respect for people who hold dissenting views.

The unfortunate part, to me, is that there really is no way for those who want to to go back and celebrate and express their joyous feelings that the Kings are, well, on a winning streak. We can do it, but it won't be the same after the rather heated discussion that has happened. And the fact that people can't even express their feelings here anymore without cold water being poured on them saddens me.

 

[Ryle]

Here's the problem that some people don't understand.....the players can give a rats *** about lottery positioning or tanking the season to get a better draft simply because there is a good chance that quite a few of them won't be around next year.

Fans can gripe about winning a game all they want(I can't believe I just said that) but I can gaurantee the players want to win and don't care about anything else.

 

[NikateeN]

These are dangerous times for this franchise

I wouldnt consider it dangerous, we are having a bad season yea, but we dont have much to work with this year, we have a confused coach, no rebounding, and poor defense.

Now the Cletics, thats a franchise in danger.

 

[Entity]

If anybody has a reason to tank for the future it would be Kevin and maybe Ron because they are the only likely 2 that could be the future of the franchise and yet instead of loosing to get a better pick to give them help for the future (as some would suggest in here) They are playing the best on the team. As a person you want to win everygame it says alot for you as a person if you loose on purpose or not give it your all. So if this team does indeed start to do that then I myself wouldn't want ANY of them on any Kings team of the future.

 

[Jerryaki]

If there was going to be any attempt at starting a rah-rah/feel-good thread, I'm guessing this was it.

i guess only piksi's "Beat L.A.!" thread is sacrosanct these days.

 

[Spike]

It's fairly easy to see the tone of a thread right away.

If its a "rah-rah" thread, and you're complaining about a lin or a woss, let it go. You don't have to post in every thread. There are plenty of threads made for griping and other nincompoopery. Complain there.

Understand that there are also younger fans on the site that don't quite understand the complexities of "losing to win". There's no need to try and educate them of such things, as you are creating a culture of looking for a loss, regardless of the outcome.

In the end, all it takes is a little self-control. If people can use that and common sense, this forum will be all the better.

For the record, even though I understand that the potential for a high draft pick exists as well as its ramifications, I cheer for wins.