Kings trading Evans for Vasquez/Lopez

[jcwkings]

If somehow we end up with Iggy, this team wins 40 games and fights for the 8th seed, maybe sneaks into the playoffs. Vasquez will be a lob machine to guys like Iggy and McLemore. Pick and roll with he and Cousins will be deadly

PG:Vasquez/IT/Mcallum
SG:McLemore/Thornton
SF:Iggy/Outlaw
PFatterson/JT
C: DMC/Hayes

 

[bajaden]

again all this coming from same source (voison) just retweets of her original tweet. no other comfrimation than that. I'm not saying it isn't true just want another outlet. would really like to some tweets from Evans or Brother.

No, Amick was the first one to report this. Voison is retweeting Amick. At least that how it appears.

 

[VF21]

More from Twitter:

Devin Blankenship ‏@Devin_Blankship 51s

Draft night '09 in NYC, @Bluprintceo comes up and thanks the org for drafting Reke and says, "I guarantee Reke will win Rookie of the Year."

Jimmer Fredette Jimmer Fredette ‏@jimmerfredette 3m

@Bluprintceo @whitneyfredette appreciate that bro. She definitely will! Good luck in N.O.!
Retweeted by INTERNATIONAL i

INTERNATIONAL i INTERNATIONAL i ‏@Bluprintceo 1m

“@jimmerfredette: @Bluprintceo @whitneyfredette appreciate that bro. She definitely will! Good luck in N.O.!” Thanks Jimmer

 

[Quix]

ugh. I wasn't even thinking about Tyreke's defensive potential. I'm feeling sick.

 

[VF21]

NTERNATIONAL i ‏@Bluprintceo 40s

@Devin_Blankship you remember that!! Lol. And he did! #printdat

Devin Blankenship Devin Blankenship ‏@Devin_Blankship 49s

At Arden Fair Mall during the Tyreke ROY celebration, he stops and says, "I TOLD you!"

 

[Section 101]

And I'd love a vegetarian sandwich made out of pure bacon.

Why exactly are the Warriors giving us Bogut and Barnes for free again?

I believe he was saying so they could sign Howard.

 

[ovrush]

While Evans might help them progress, an argument could be made that Vasquez can help us progress. As of last season Vasquez was the better point guard. He's got better each year, Evans has not. If Vasquez can continue to develop his game he could end up doing more for this team next season than Evans has in the past four.

Except we have't seen Evans at the point except on teams with no one on them but him. The last two years he's p;ayed 4 different positions. Tough to get better when you don't know what your role is. Can we really argue Evans isn't the superior talent every single time? This trade is a talent drain on a team that can't afford to lose talent for free (we can't sign FA stars)

 

[Showtime]

This is a damn good trade....We need a facilitator on offense and Greivis Vasquez is a LEGIT PG....plus some quality depth up front with Robin Lopez. Great move IMO considering we woulda just lost Reke outright.

Kings just got a whole lot better. They have a legit front court and playmaker in the back court.

 

[Entity]

If somehow we end up with Iggy, this team wins 40 games and fights for the 8th seed, maybe sneaks into the playoffs. Vasquez will be a lob machine to guys like Iggy and McLemore. Pick and roll with he and Cousins will be deadly

PG:Vasquez/IT/Mcallum
SG:McLemore/Thornton
SF:Iggy/Outlaw
PFatterson/JT
C: DMC/Hayes

lol

 

[kupman]

How many players in the league last year averaged 9 assists?

Agreed. And he did it on a team that was otherwise poor offensively. He may be a diamond in the rough more than a dime a dozen.

 

[VF21]

No, Amick was the first one to report this. Voison is retweeting Amick. At least that how it appears.

Amick actually gave credit to ESPN (Marc Stein?) for being 1st.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Hmmm. Iggy still being on the table is interesting if not logical. Money talks. Maybe Denver lowered their offer as well once we took ours back.

Remember a few years back when we signed Hayes, then took it back, then offered like 3 millions more over the course of the 4 years as a good will gesture?

Well, the initial reports said we offered 4 years, 58 for Iggy. Then Amick came out and said the offer was 4 years 52 ... I could see us meeting him halfway at a 4 years 56 or something as an apology. If, of course, he is actually interested. It would still be a risky deal for an aging player, no doubt about it.

Worse teams have been constructed than

Vasquez
McLemore (Or MT in year 1)
Iguodala
Thompson
Cousins

That being said, I'd rather go after Asik with our new found cap space. Holding out hope that Howard chooses the Rockets. This could be what the Kings are waiting for as well, because if Howard doesn't sign with Houston there is no way they are dealing him.

 

[TTown Kings]

It's not Reke for Vasquez... it's Reke for Vasquez plus about $9mil in cap space. That money will be spent... wait and see what it's spent on before deciding.

heard this before. Regardless of new ownership this is still the Sacramento Kings. It's not a FA destination. I'm not ok with trading for cap space to potentially sign someone

 

[theclash4u5]

I may have missed this in all the posts, but has anyone realized that this pretty much makes this DMC's team? Am I the only one viewing this as an indication they're going to be building around Cousins as the cornerstone of their franchise?

I loved Evans and have fond memories despite some horrible seasons. The more I think about this move, if it comes to fruition, is that the front office is setting up to be able to pay Cousins the max and still have some players left to take the court with him...

Agreed! If we gave Evans 11M a year and then Cousins near or at the MAX, then what are we left with? A bunch of role players and BMac for a few years...that sure sounds familiar to the last 3 years! There's a whole lot of cry babies here, I'll miss Evans but come on guys, give the front office a chance to do something. The 2014 draft is supposed to be one of the best in the last 10-15 years AND if we ditch Salmons, we'll have almost 20M to work with. I don't know about you, but I like the sound of that.

 

[TTown Kings]

The Kings have never ever signed a star. We won't sign a star. We'll spend it on a bunch of mid priced role players like Chuck Hayes, Mikki More, John Salmons etc. The cap space does absolutely nothing for a small market team based in Sacramento. If we're committing to moving on I'd hope we at least scored some draft choices, because we're going to need to reload through the draft in a year or so when we lose Cousins.

This is spot on and my main issue with a trade like this.

 

[VF21]

heard this before. Regardless of new ownership this is still the Sacramento Kings. It's not a FA destination. I'm not ok with trading for cap space to potentially sign someone

Why not wait and see what happens? Show a little faith and let the process evolve. It's ONLY July 4.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Cap space for the sake of cap space is NOT necessarily of great value. BUT the trade could be a nice deal for the Kings depending on what they DO with the cap space. Iggy may well still be in pay since Denver did NOT jump to match our offer. PDA did NOT dis Iggy, he slapped down his agent, way different story.

 

[roasthawg]

Maybe, just maybe, as I stated in another post, they didn't want Tyreke back. Maybe they never intended to resign him, but for obvious reasons couldn't say that. Maybe, they have a plan. A couple of weeks ago everyone on the fourm thought Malone, D'Allesandro, and Ranadive were the smartest people in the world, and now, 4 miserable days into freeagency, apparently their all just stupid idiots, and everyone here, is smarter! I'll pass judgement after freeagency is over, and the team were going forward for the season is complete.

As much as I like Tyreke, the world isn't going to end because he's gone. We didn't exactly dominate last year with him. Not laying all than on him, but the point is, he didn't make that much of a difference. No one did! Were breaking up a team thats only been capable of winning 25 or so games for the last few years, and everyone thinks the world is ending. Someone pointed out that every good team has at least two stars. Well, if you consider both Cousins and Tyreke stars, what the hell went wrong? The truth is, last year we stunk!! And on a team that stunk, no one is sacred! Except maybe Cousins, who I believe is a legit star.

I wish Tyreke all the best in the world. I wish it could have worked out for him here. But I've said from the beginning that I didn't think he'd be back. I hoped he would, but my gut told me otherwise. Its done, and I'm moving on. I could sit here and whine about it for the next few weeks, but you know what, the result will still be the same. He'll still be gone!

Same exact thing happened when Harbaugh/Baalke took over the 49ers. Everyone freaked during the initial phase of free agency and many kept it up until well into the regular season. Two years later they're the toast of the league and odds on favorites to win the Super Bowl. Calm down and let the pros do the work... just try to sit back and enjoy the show!

 

[VF21]

Agreed! If we gave Evans 11M a year and then Cousins near or at the MAX, then what are we left with? A bunch of role players and BMac for a few years...that sure sounds familiar to the last 3 years! There's a whole lot of cry babies here, I'll miss Evans but come on guys, give the front office a chance to do something. The 2014 draft is supposed to be one of the best in the last 10-15 years AND if we ditch Salmons, we'll have almost 20M to work with. I don't know about you, but I like the sound of that.

EXACTLY! This is all very fluid right now, and I'm just incredibly glad our front office is a part of things for a change and not already off fishing until training camp.

 

[ockingsfan]

From Blazer source

Jason Quick @jwquick 1 minute ago

If 3-team deal reported by @Ailene Voisin and @Sam Amick goes down, Blazers would absorb contract of C Robin Lopez and give up nothing

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2Y6AXWMD1

Looks like we'd get nothing from Portland.

Salary Dump for NOTHING!!!

DO THE MALOOFS OWN THE KINGS AGAIN!!!

 

[Showtime]

This is spot on and my main issue with a trade like this.

I don't think the new owners want their first season to be at the bottom of the league. If they feel they can win 35-40 games, they probably will try.

 

[ockingsfan]

Agreed! If we gave Evans 11M a year and then Cousins near or at the MAX, then what are we left with? A bunch of role players and BMac for a few years...that sure sounds familiar to the last 3 years! There's a whole lot of cry babies here, I'll miss Evans but come on guys, give the front office a chance to do something. The 2014 draft is supposed to be one of the best in the last 10-15 years AND if we ditch Salmons, we'll have almost 20M to work with. I don't know about you, but I like the sound of that.

The problem being that we might not even have a draft pick for 2014!!!

 

[Jose]

heard this before. Regardless of new ownership this is still the Sacramento Kings. It's not a FA destination. I'm not ok with trading for cap space to potentially sign someone

We don't have to SIGN someone with cap space, we can absorb someone else's contract. For example, GSW wants Dwight, but doesn't have the cap for him... We could, say do a 3-way trade with Portland, send a pick & change to GSW, portland gets David Lee / Thorton, we get LA...

That's where cap would be most useful - we can facilitate a trade, absorb a huge salary and grab a great player.

 

[Draft2007]

Same exact thing happened when Harbaugh/Baalke took over the 49ers. Everyone freaked during the initial phase of free agency and many kept it up until well into the regular season. Two years later they're the toast of the league and odds on favorites to win the Super Bowl. Calm down and let the pros do the work... just try to sit back and enjoy the show!

I agree, I recall that PDA/Vivek mentioned in his introductory press conference about having to "think 4 moves ahead". Hopefully this is just the first move and the next 3 will start to clarify the organization's vision a little more. Maybe I'm just being optimistic but there has to be something else big on the horizon.

 

[theclash4u5]

Salary Dump for NOTHING!!!

DO THE MALOOFS OWN THE KINGS AGAIN!!!

It's a salary dump because with Lopez here, we're left with hardly anything to get a decent player. With him not being included to Sacramento, we have almost 12M to work with and another 8M if we ask Salmons to find a new team

 

[ovrush]

Same exact thing happened when Harbaugh/Baalke took over the 49ers. Everyone freaked during the initial phase of free agency and many kept it up until well into the regular season. Two years later they're the toast of the league and odds on favorites to win the Super Bowl. Calm down and let the pros do the work... just try to sit back and enjoy the show!

Football free agency is not basketball free agency. I loved what the Niners did that offseason while they were doing it. I hate what the Kings are doing here. Plus the Kings are not the Niners. The Kings won't get low priced bargain types on the tail end of free agency. Plus, the Niners actually kept their stars and surrounded them with low priced role players to fill out the roster while understanding good coaching would elevate an otherwise alented roster. That's exactly the opposite of what the Kings are doing here. We're turning over our talent instead of supplementing it with roleplayers for cheap and proper coaching.

 

[dmj]

This move is bad. Really bad. Worse the than the trade that got us Salmons. I'd at least think we could get Aminu or someone else back in this. But Tyreke for Vazquez straight up? Almost nonsensical. Tyreke's a much better player. The only thing Vazquez does is pass the ball. He is a poor player offensively and a worse player on defense.

 

[Draft2007]

The problem being that we might not even have a draft pick for 2014!!!

I'm pretty sure the 2014 pick is top 13 protected which means either playoffs or pretty close to it. I'd take that for this team over a mid first round pick.

 

[theclash4u5]

The problem being that we might not even have a draft pick for 2014!!!

Well sure, but that's only if we're out of the top 12. With this team, I don't see it. I figure unless we make some huge improvement, we'll be around 8th to 11th spot. If we get lucky and get into the top 3, then I'll pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming.

 

[hrdboild]

Maybe, just maybe, as I stated in another post, they didn't want Tyreke back. Maybe they never intended to resign him, but for obvious reasons couldn't say that. Maybe, they have a plan. A couple of weeks ago everyone on the fourm thought Malone, D'Allesandro, and Ranadive were the smartest people in the world, and now, 4 miserable days into freeagency, apparently their all just stupid idiots, and everyone here, is smarter! I'll pass judgement after freeagency is over, and the team were going forward for the season is complete.

As much as I like Tyreke, the world isn't going to end because he's gone. We didn't exactly dominate last year with him. Not laying all than on him, but the point is, he didn't make that much of a difference. No one did! Were breaking up a team thats only been capable of winning 25 or so games for the last few years, and everyone thinks the world is ending. Someone pointed out that every good team has at least two stars. Well, if you consider both Cousins and Tyreke stars, what the hell went wrong? The truth is, last year we stunk!! And on a team that stunk, no one is sacred! Except maybe Cousins, who I believe is a legit star.

I wish Tyreke all the best in the world. I wish it could have worked out for him here. But I've said from the beginning that I didn't think he'd be back. I hoped he would, but my gut told me otherwise. Its done, and I'm moving on. I could sit here and whine about it for the next few weeks, but you know what, the result will still be the same. He'll still be gone!

Oh I think it's clear they never intended to re-sign him, which okay that alone I think is a mistake because if you watch the games he's being underutilized offensively and he's also the best defender on a bad team where his contributions on that end don't really get recognized. The numbers here are not the whole story. But swapping him out for Igoudala, even if I disagreed with it, was still a move to address the defense. Instead what we're doing here is embracing a showtime run and gun style of game and sacrificing defensive talent to do it. It's like a stake through my heart. I would have missed Tyreke regardless but losing one of the best defensive guards in the league for one of the worst? I'll never agree with that line of thinking. Remember I'm the one guy who thought Rondo's defensive potential made him a top 10 talent in that draft. And yes Boston ended up building a roster around him which compensated for his shortcomings and allowed him to become an All Star, but why couldn't we do that too? People go on and on about how Tyreke is not a true PG and completely overlook the fact that he's impossible for other PGs to guard and he's so big and long that his mere presence on the court at that position messes up the other team's game plan. They go on and on about pass first PGs, what about defense first? Tyreke would be an elite talent choice at PG under that criteria and it annoys me that we'll never see it happen because our new front office lacks that vision.