Kings trading Evans for Vasquez/Lopez
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i don't understand the small market fan's obsession with cap space. what would the kings do with it, exactly? atlanta's a big market that struggles to attract free agents. their plan this offseason was to coax both chris paul and dwight howard via free agency. paul re-signed with the clips, and howard is more likely to sign with houston or re-sign with the lakers than pack his bags for the hometown hawks. they might not even be able to retain josh smith!!
so what are the kings, owners of seven straight losing seasons in an undesirable market, going to do with $20 million in cap space?! the best they could do is extend DMC to a max deal, and that doesn't actually require cap space to accomplish. after that, they'd probably be able to snag a buncha third tier talent, role players, and the like. if the kings are trying to make a play for, say, a guy like lebron james, or if they're hoping to pick up wiggins in the draft, then they're throwing away an opportunity to build a winner now in favor of a pipe dream...
so what are the kings, owners of seven straight losing seasons in an undesirable market, going to do with $20 million in cap space?! the best they could do is extend DMC to a max deal, and that doesn't actually require cap space to accomplish. after that, they'd probably be able to snag a buncha third tier talent, role players, and the like. if the kings are trying to make a play for, say, a guy like lebron james, or if they're hoping to pick up wiggins in the draft, then they're throwing away an opportunity to build a winner now in favor of a pipe dream...
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I guess maybe our FO sees it that way, but man I would hate to add a no defense chucker to compensate for losing a well rounded team first guy who is extremely efficient. I'm still hoping AV lives up to my oppinion of her for being a complete idiot. She does jump the gun on rumors like this when she doesn't like the player in question, and she definitely dislikes Reke.
Cap space also opens up the possibilities to be a player in the Dwight Howard sweepstakes...not to get him, but as a three way. Golden State badly needs to dump salary to get him, and the Kings could take on Bogut/Biedrins (both expiring) and get back picks and maybe even a guy like Barnes. Like others have said, it's not my money.
Houston could trade to the Kings Asik and/or Lin and they could go after Josh Smith and Dwight.
Not saying either of those are the ideal trade, but just saying there are other opportunities out there with the cap space.
Houston could trade to the Kings Asik and/or Lin and they could go after Josh Smith and Dwight.
Not saying either of those are the ideal trade, but just saying there are other opportunities out there with the cap space.
Well you may have noted a certain Carmichael resident made a pass through here a bit ago. He might not have actually been confirming things -- my ears were kind of ringing at the time, so it was hard to make out 
-- but he certainly seemed enthusiastic and has been tweeting various hints and whatnot all week. So not sure that's a confirmation, but it certainly wasn't an angry Ailene is stupid denial. Seemed to be a different target for the ire.
-- but he certainly seemed enthusiastic and has been tweeting various hints and whatnot all week. So not sure that's a confirmation, but it certainly wasn't an angry Ailene is stupid denial. Seemed to be a different target for the ire.
Actually I already debunked this theory like 10 pages earlier [here]. If you do the math we either do have enough cap space to give Igoudala 4/52M and Tyreke 4/44M already simply by amnestying Salmons or we are 2 million short and all we'd have to do is trade Jimmer or Patterson for picks or trade Thornton/Hayes/Thompson in some kind of deal where we take back a little less salary. This is hardly world-moving stuff. You have to remember these deals have escalating raises. So the yearly average might be 13 million but the first year salary is closer to 11.5M for Igoudala and if Tyreke's deal is structured exactly like Steph Curry's 4/44M deal then he would make 9.88M in his first season not 11M. Yes New Orleans can structure the deal differently but Tyreke can also sign outright with us for the same money but a deal structured so that we can also sign Igoudala. Why wouldn't Tyreke want to come back for the same money as he gets in New Orleans only as a starting PG with Igoudala as his teammate and a better chance to win right away?
Also could open up other trade options for guys like Deng, Granger, and Gay without sending back much salary. Lots of opens out there for sure...Hopefully we will find out soon what these other possibilities are that Amick mentioned the Kings are considering. Hopefully Gay or Monta won't be seriously considered.
Trading Evans for Vasquez essentially straight-up would be a brilliant move for the Kings. To me it's not proof of incompetence, but rather proof that the new regime is actually thinking down the road and not willing to settle for just being "kinda good" or a borderline playoff team.
With this move you not only save money (that can be used now or later) but you also get a player that is a better fit for this team. Vasquez is a true point-guard that actually makes other players better and if any team needed a player that makes other players better it's this one.
Ask yourself this..... does Tyreke Evans make Cousins better? Will Tyreke Evans make Ben McLemore better? Does Tyreke Evans make Thornton better? The answer to all of these questions is no and in the case of McLemore, a guy like Evans might actually get in his way and hinder his development.
Bottom line is that many Kings fans seriously overrate Tyreke Evans. What has the team done with him the last few years? Has he really gotten that much better since his rookie year? The numbers certainly don't indicate it and I don't want to hear excuses either. Excuses only go so far and at the end of the day you are what your stats say you are.
Yes Tyreke Evans can get to the basket and yes he can put up some decent numbers (on bad teams) but guys like him are essentially a dime-a-dozen. They don't help you win. It may look like they do but wins and losses are what matters and when you keep losing games the losses speak for themselves. Some of that blame has to fall on the supposed "best players" and the guys that always have the ball in their hands.
Tyreke Evans is a good player and would probably have some real value as say the 3rd best player on a well organized team like the Spurs with a solid structure and less selfish players but on a team like the Kings he's not going to help you get to your end goal if he's one of your two best players. Yes he's better than Vasquez in terms of sheer talent but this league isn't always about sheer talent, it's about making your teammates better and Vasquez may be just the type of catalyst that the Kings need to make Cousins and McLemore better.
With this move you not only save money (that can be used now or later) but you also get a player that is a better fit for this team. Vasquez is a true point-guard that actually makes other players better and if any team needed a player that makes other players better it's this one.
Ask yourself this..... does Tyreke Evans make Cousins better? Will Tyreke Evans make Ben McLemore better? Does Tyreke Evans make Thornton better? The answer to all of these questions is no and in the case of McLemore, a guy like Evans might actually get in his way and hinder his development.
Bottom line is that many Kings fans seriously overrate Tyreke Evans. What has the team done with him the last few years? Has he really gotten that much better since his rookie year? The numbers certainly don't indicate it and I don't want to hear excuses either. Excuses only go so far and at the end of the day you are what your stats say you are.
Yes Tyreke Evans can get to the basket and yes he can put up some decent numbers (on bad teams) but guys like him are essentially a dime-a-dozen. They don't help you win. It may look like they do but wins and losses are what matters and when you keep losing games the losses speak for themselves. Some of that blame has to fall on the supposed "best players" and the guys that always have the ball in their hands.
Tyreke Evans is a good player and would probably have some real value as say the 3rd best player on a well organized team like the Spurs with a solid structure and less selfish players but on a team like the Kings he's not going to help you get to your end goal if he's one of your two best players. Yes he's better than Vasquez in terms of sheer talent but this league isn't always about sheer talent, it's about making your teammates better and Vasquez may be just the type of catalyst that the Kings need to make Cousins and McLemore better.
I may have missed this in all the posts, but has anyone realized that this pretty much makes this DMC's team? Am I the only one viewing this as an indication they're going to be building around Cousins as the cornerstone of their franchise?
I loved Evans and have fond memories despite some horrible seasons. The more I think about this move, if it comes to fruition, is that the front office is setting up to be able to pay Cousins the max and still have some players left to take the court with him...
I loved Evans and have fond memories despite some horrible seasons. The more I think about this move, if it comes to fruition, is that the front office is setting up to be able to pay Cousins the max and still have some players left to take the court with him...
From Blazer source
Jason Quick @jwquick 1 minute ago
If 3-team deal reported by @Ailene Voisin and @Sam Amick goes down, Blazers would absorb contract of C Robin Lopez and give up nothing
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2Y6AXWMD1
Looks like we'd get nothing from Portland.
Jason Quick @jwquick 1 minute ago
If 3-team deal reported by @Ailene Voisin and @Sam Amick goes down, Blazers would absorb contract of C Robin Lopez and give up nothing
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2Y6AXWMD1
Looks like we'd get nothing from Portland.
yeah we realize that. only problem is you mention 1 person. Its cuz team. BUT Lakers, heat, Thunder, boston, Spurs. all the elite team don't just have that 1 player with role players around them. they have 2-3 stars. without Tyreke baring a Maclemore explosion (which very well may happen) we have 1 star.
Amongst other things. Miami's Big Three hardly make each other better -- in fact hey are always struggling with this guy or that being forgotten. People have long questioned if Westbrook helps or hinders Durant. But you win with talent in the NBA. You fit your roleplayers around your stars, but stars are too rare and unique to get too picky about.
I hate waking up to this news as Tyreke was one of the only watchable things and signs of hope for the Kings in recent years. It is sad that the Maloofs and their crappy coaches basically killed all the potential he showed in his first season by constantly shuffling him around to fit other mediocre players onto the floor. I do think if Reke had been trusted at point for the past 4 years he would have developed into a competent PG by modern NBA standards.
It sounds like this move could make us a little more competitive, but again that is at a high price in if we had properly developed Reke we could be a lot competitive.
I'm just going to wait and see. But I'm definitely sad to lose Reke. And I guess I will hope that it isn't true until it is.
It sounds like this move could make us a little more competitive, but again that is at a high price in if we had properly developed Reke we could be a lot competitive.
I'm just going to wait and see. But I'm definitely sad to lose Reke. And I guess I will hope that it isn't true until it is.
I'm not forgetting. Defense is another area where Tyreke is slightly overrated. Yes Tyreke is a good defender but he's not a great defender. Maybe in a great defensive system, Tyrekes defense continues to improve to the point of being great but at least the last few years he has not been a great game-changing type defender. How do I know that? Simple, the Kings defense has been pathetic the last few years and defenders that are true "difference makers" don't play on teams that are dead-last in defense.
Speaking of defense, this teams defense doesn't go anywhere as a unit until DeMarcus Cousins decides to start playing some defense.
Speaking of defense, this teams defense doesn't go anywhere as a unit until DeMarcus Cousins decides to start playing some defense.
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