Maloofs have trademarked domain name for Los Angeles Royals.com(something like that)
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Here, on the other hand, the Green Bay Packers are the only publicly owned major league sports franchise. They had owned the franchise since the 1920s, so in the 1980s when the NFL banned teams from having over 32 owners, they had to be allowed as an exception.
Yes, here leagues BAN public ownership, and the government's anti-trust branch seems fine with that. Make of it what you will.
Yes, here leagues BAN public ownership, and the government's anti-trust branch seems fine with that. Make of it what you will.
Thanks for the nice kick. And congrats on being one of those new legions of fans expected to finance those players. Your pair of season tickets should start right around 4-5 thousand dollars on up to 10 grand. Don't be cheap and go after the rafter seats. You are all pretty rich there unlike us po folk here in the ghetto. Better get that checkbook out now because Joe and Gavin are going to be in a huge money hole after they write their checks this summer.
this point you (both) can have--it's difficult describe what constitutes 'sanctity' in sports.
but certainly there's some value in continuing the tradition of community-located teams. the league could be modeled as a traveling exposition, playing for huge audiences around the globe, but in the same spirit in which we honor our nation's flag at the Olympics, there's something appealing about representing your city in such competition. to include all communities throughout society in this also seems to make sense--as Jamaican bobsledders might tell you.
anyway, we're going to have problems defining 'success' as well--in a community-ownership model, profit is not an important indicator of a club's viability.
competition, we might agree, is an important measure of success for any sport.
in the past 26 years (since David Stern has been commissioner), 7 teams have been NBA champion. during that same period, 15 different NFL teams have won the Super Bowl.
with this we might be on route to further exploring sanctity in sports: fairness, competition, inclusion.
from the article:
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5673975/success-germany-bundesliga
but certainly there's some value in continuing the tradition of community-located teams. the league could be modeled as a traveling exposition, playing for huge audiences around the globe, but in the same spirit in which we honor our nation's flag at the Olympics, there's something appealing about representing your city in such competition. to include all communities throughout society in this also seems to make sense--as Jamaican bobsledders might tell you.
anyway, we're going to have problems defining 'success' as well--in a community-ownership model, profit is not an important indicator of a club's viability.
competition, we might agree, is an important measure of success for any sport.
in the past 26 years (since David Stern has been commissioner), 7 teams have been NBA champion. during that same period, 15 different NFL teams have won the Super Bowl.
with this we might be on route to further exploring sanctity in sports: fairness, competition, inclusion.
from the article:
The Bundesliga's sound financial footing means that wealth is fairly evenly distributed. No one team can grossly outspend another. The net result: Relative parity rules the league. Although Bayern Munich has won the title five times in the past decade, four other teams have won it, too, and the domestic cup competition, the DFB-Pokal, has had 11 different finalists over that span.
"We need to stay entertaining," said Seifert. "We think that the more entertaining and unpredictable the competition is, the more it will excite the fans."
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"If you eliminated the 50+1 rule, it would lead to an unfair competition because every year one or two clubs would come out ahead of the league," he said. "It would be great for the fans of those clubs but bad for the competition..."
"We need to stay entertaining," said Seifert. "We think that the more entertaining and unpredictable the competition is, the more it will excite the fans."
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"If you eliminated the 50+1 rule, it would lead to an unfair competition because every year one or two clubs would come out ahead of the league," he said. "It would be great for the fans of those clubs but bad for the competition..."
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5673975/success-germany-bundesliga
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As a fan, I would have liked that, provided that the franchise would be collateral on the loan, and the NBA pre-approved the city as owners in case of default. They'd probably be in default by now, and the city might be bankrupt, but hey, we'd have our team... at least for a while.
As a citizen, I'd say that any private party who approached my city and asked for a loan which was as big as the city's general fund operating budget for the year, had better have some AMAZING evidence available with regard to their ability & readiness to pay it back. A very solid record as businessmen, desirable collateral which would survive a bankruptcy filing, things like that.
I don't know what all terms were involved with that loan idea, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that the city made the right call.
As a citizen, I'd say that any private party who approached my city and asked for a loan which was as big as the city's general fund operating budget for the year, had better have some AMAZING evidence available with regard to their ability & readiness to pay it back. A very solid record as businessmen, desirable collateral which would survive a bankruptcy filing, things like that.
I don't know what all terms were involved with that loan idea, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that the city made the right call.
Community BASED...Yes. Community OWNED....NO!! No sport has community owned teams. The only team that is owned by it's community, and has been mentioned by other posters, is the Green Bay Packers and that's because it happened in the 1920's, long before the league's mandated that no more teams could be community owned.
I'm curious to see what happens when their stadium becomes outdated. Those stock holders are going to have to shell out for a billion dollar stadium. That will be interesting.
I'm curious to see what happens when their stadium becomes outdated. Those stock holders are going to have to shell out for a billion dollar stadium. That will be interesting.
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lol yes because obviously the LA clippers have been so successful at getting free agents in LA. Oh wait they suck just like this team, yeah players will obviously sign with the Royals instead of teams that are actually proven at winning like the Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, etc. Good thing that the team will be in a big market now, considering that 90% of the people who actually care about basketball in that market are fans of the lakers. I'm sure most players will love being the 3rd show in town that nobody gives a crap about.
You obviously have your opinion on this, and I have mine, and they aren't really close, which is fine. We just don't agree. I'm not going to argue with you about why I think Anaheim would be a fine market for a 3rd team.
But you have to admit Donald Sterling has had an impact on potential FA's. He might just be the worst owner in the league, and has been accused of racism on more then one occasion. He heckles his own damn players.
But you have to admit Donald Sterling has had an impact on potential FA's. He might just be the worst owner in the league, and has been accused of racism on more then one occasion. He heckles his own damn players.
Its nice when you ignore that Clippers are notorious small spenders. They have NEVER spnt big and have lost a lot of their own talent because Sterling is not prepared to pay big money for players.
I've got no doubt that if they have an owner who is willing to spend money on getting a good team toghether, they would have no trouble attracting free agents.
I've got no doubt that if they have an owner who is willing to spend money on getting a good team toghether, they would have no trouble attracting free agents.
And the Maloofs are willing spenders? I mean dude, for the last 2 years this team has had the lowest payroll in the league. Their casino in vegas(which they sunk a ton of money in) is damn near worthless and they are about to have to pay anywhere from 100-150 million in relocation fees, and they might(according to the email from the city councilmen) be needing to take a 100 million dollar loan which you can BET includes ownership of the team as colateral, in case they can't pay. They have supposedly been in the black for the last 2 years, and they aren't even willing to spend then. What makes you think they won't atleast be feeling cheap after taking on another loan(I remember they also opened a line of credit for supposedly like 10 million a year or 2 ago) or shelling 100+ mill out of their own pocket?
Whether they want to win more than Donald Sterling or not, they are certainly no Mark Cuban or Jerry Buss when it comes to being able to spend money. They simply aren't. They aren't capable of going on a spending spree any time soon if they are even able to keep the team more than a year or 2 after the move.
Whether they want to win more than Donald Sterling or not, they are certainly no Mark Cuban or Jerry Buss when it comes to being able to spend money. They simply aren't. They aren't capable of going on a spending spree any time soon if they are even able to keep the team more than a year or 2 after the move.
Sorry you missed the irony of the whole post. And nice way to assume because the guy lives in a certain city that he can't afford tickets. The point is that it's looking like time for OC folks to put their wallets into action. Pretty soon we get to sit back and judge the size of the crowds and shake our heads. They will be the ones whining about how can they expect to shell out thousands for a team worse than the Clippers. And give me a break with the free agent bonanza ready to move next door to Mickey. Ask New Jersey how that worked out when Carmelo is wearing a Knicks uniform instead. It's not just the city name, it's the team name. And you know it's all about the Lakers down there. You can't even argue that one. Face it Orange County, you are Sacramento South playing second fiddle to the San Francisco south, LA.
Classic syndrome of "what have you done for me lately"!!!!
Are you conviniently ignoring that when the team was close to contention, Maloofs went out and spent BIG to the point where we were the team with the highest payroll in the NBA. What they have done in the last 2-3 years is a classic rebuild stuff. Every team that re-build is doing that....take a look around the league because every successfully re-built team did exactly what the Kings have done in the last 2-3 years.
Now, stop brining Palm into this crap because well BEFORE the economy went bad, and I mean some 5-6 years ago when the talk of the area and funding was around, and when nuff nuffs questioned why they can't build it themselves because they have million and million becauseof the Palms, they have always claimed that Palms and Kings are separate entitites and they never transfer money from one to another, nor do they treat them as one.
You choose not to believe that and that fine but don't come on here and group the Maloofs into the same category as Donald Sterling. History suggest that Maloofs are more than willing to spend the money when the team is showing promise. What they are not willing to do is take on meaningless contracts and sign mediocre free agent in the middle of rebuild. They have come out and said that this off-season is when they WILL have the most salary cap room and they WILL spent it all. They have been gearing up for this off-season for a few years now.
You can be bitter and twisted all you want but Maloofs have proven that they are willing to spend and then FINALLY commited to a proper rebuild and have stuck to it. Time will tell who is right but I am confident that come free agency time, Petrie will be out there chasing big free agent because Maloofs are once again willing to spend money to matter again.
Are you conviniently ignoring that when the team was close to contention, Maloofs went out and spent BIG to the point where we were the team with the highest payroll in the NBA. What they have done in the last 2-3 years is a classic rebuild stuff. Every team that re-build is doing that....take a look around the league because every successfully re-built team did exactly what the Kings have done in the last 2-3 years.
Now, stop brining Palm into this crap because well BEFORE the economy went bad, and I mean some 5-6 years ago when the talk of the area and funding was around, and when nuff nuffs questioned why they can't build it themselves because they have million and million becauseof the Palms, they have always claimed that Palms and Kings are separate entitites and they never transfer money from one to another, nor do they treat them as one.
You choose not to believe that and that fine but don't come on here and group the Maloofs into the same category as Donald Sterling. History suggest that Maloofs are more than willing to spend the money when the team is showing promise. What they are not willing to do is take on meaningless contracts and sign mediocre free agent in the middle of rebuild. They have come out and said that this off-season is when they WILL have the most salary cap room and they WILL spent it all. They have been gearing up for this off-season for a few years now.
You can be bitter and twisted all you want but Maloofs have proven that they are willing to spend and then FINALLY commited to a proper rebuild and have stuck to it. Time will tell who is right but I am confident that come free agency time, Petrie will be out there chasing big free agent because Maloofs are once again willing to spend money to matter again.
Completely agree. Seems logic escapes some when emotion gets involved. Sterling admitted as recently as last week that he ran the ship, and made all the player personel decisions, and he's made some horrible decisions. That's on top of him being a s***y human being. Ingoring the impact he has had is ignorant, and uninformed.
Also, the maloofs have spent plenty. We had the third highest payroll in the league for years when were were good. They haven't spent recently in order to put us in the situation we find ourselves: more cap space then any other team going into the off season. They've publicly said they would spend, and they will, just like they did in 98-02. Anyone who thinks they won't spend, because they didn't in order to free up all the cap space we have, is blind to the big picture, and probably has never saved for an investment themselves. It's almost as if some fans think they actually don't want to win, yet we had to blow up our roster, and cut back on psending, in order to win down the road. It's actually not complicated at all.
It's also kind of funny to bash the Maloofs for not spending, while the city won't spend a dime on an arena, and never has.
Also, the maloofs have spent plenty. We had the third highest payroll in the league for years when were were good. They haven't spent recently in order to put us in the situation we find ourselves: more cap space then any other team going into the off season. They've publicly said they would spend, and they will, just like they did in 98-02. Anyone who thinks they won't spend, because they didn't in order to free up all the cap space we have, is blind to the big picture, and probably has never saved for an investment themselves. It's almost as if some fans think they actually don't want to win, yet we had to blow up our roster, and cut back on psending, in order to win down the road. It's actually not complicated at all.
It's also kind of funny to bash the Maloofs for not spending, while the city won't spend a dime on an arena, and never has.
You realize that was 7 years ago already. And I tell the car sales man and real estate agents I will be ready to buy next year too. Doesn't mean my finances will magically get better in 1 year. Oh and how are peoples spending patterns after putting down a down payment, ie relocation fees? You think they are going to start spending right after forking out a ton?
Maybe get author/owner of site to start a petition we could all start signing online - especially those Kings fans who live in our area. Surely, a petition gathering perhaps thousands of signatures, plus putting out a press release to finally physically hand them over to MSE and City Council would be impressive. Again, it might not work but strength in numbers is our best hope to keep Kings in Sacramento.
The beauty of a petition like thing is that it is not restricted to the citizens of Sacramento which I am not. Anybody who has an interest in the future of NBA basketball can sign even you in Europe, Ireland, England, Japan, etc. Heck, I know a budding writer in Ireland. He should be grateful to my Viking ancestors for building Dublin. (Huh?) 
It takes will and organization. I see a few friends supporting me but it will NOT go anywhere unless the leaders support it. It will die a very quick death. Heck, get Lakers fans to sign it. It is appropriate to every fan of every team. Evrey team's fan sites can be approached and some are very active.
BTW, I wrote another personal note to Cohn and it included a lot of the gripes expressed here. We can't just ***** to each other. Well, we can, it just won't have one freaking chance of having an effect. I will NOT expose his response to me on that last one.
I have already posted all the email addresses but here they are again:
scohn@cityofsacramento.org; dfong@cityofsacramento.org; rkfong@cityofsacramento.org; kmccarty@cityofsacramento.org; bpannell@cityofsacramento.org; jschenirer@cityofsacramento.org; ssheedy@cityofsacramento.org
I think the Council is a dead end. There is limited time. There is limited energy. The appeal to emotion has been tried. Now lets appeal to the pocket book.
Sorry about my rant (a little) but I won't give up. This is too important to me. Whether Cohn is a good guy or a bad guy doesn't bother me. It is inconsequential moving forward and if we stick in the past, the forward is guaranteed. The only people that can stop the Kings are the people in Anaheim over whom we have no control and the NBA who takes our money. Money talks. I am not talking boycotting or refusing to buy gear. I am talking about major markets losing fans and minor markets losing teams. (Sounds like a slight variation on this line should start the note.)
If this seems like a bad idea, tell me. Don't remain silent. I don't want to keep this up if I am way off base. As I said, I have other things far more important to worry about. A few of you know that.
It takes will and organization. I see a few friends supporting me but it will NOT go anywhere unless the leaders support it. It will die a very quick death. Heck, get Lakers fans to sign it. It is appropriate to every fan of every team. Evrey team's fan sites can be approached and some are very active.BTW, I wrote another personal note to Cohn and it included a lot of the gripes expressed here. We can't just ***** to each other. Well, we can, it just won't have one freaking chance of having an effect. I will NOT expose his response to me on that last one.
I have already posted all the email addresses but here they are again:
scohn@cityofsacramento.org; dfong@cityofsacramento.org; rkfong@cityofsacramento.org; kmccarty@cityofsacramento.org; bpannell@cityofsacramento.org; jschenirer@cityofsacramento.org; ssheedy@cityofsacramento.org
I think the Council is a dead end. There is limited time. There is limited energy. The appeal to emotion has been tried. Now lets appeal to the pocket book.
Sorry about my rant (a little) but I won't give up. This is too important to me. Whether Cohn is a good guy or a bad guy doesn't bother me. It is inconsequential moving forward and if we stick in the past, the forward is guaranteed. The only people that can stop the Kings are the people in Anaheim over whom we have no control and the NBA who takes our money. Money talks. I am not talking boycotting or refusing to buy gear. I am talking about major markets losing fans and minor markets losing teams. (Sounds like a slight variation on this line should start the note.)
If this seems like a bad idea, tell me. Don't remain silent. I don't want to keep this up if I am way off base. As I said, I have other things far more important to worry about. A few of you know that.
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