What do you thik about the whole Iverson situation?
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Allen Iverson is Allen Iverson. He's exactly the same player now as he's always been. If the Grizzlies are having buyer's regret they have no one to blame but themselves.
Al Wilson said it best in The Snake:
On her way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
"Oh well," she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"
"Take me in oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake
She wrapped him up all cozy in a curvature of silk
And then laid him by the fireside with some honey and some milk
Now she hurried home from work that night as soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she'd taking in had been revived
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake
Now she clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died"
Now she stroked his pretty skin and then she kissed and held him tight
But instead of saying thanks, that snake gave her a vicious bite
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake
"I saved you," cried that woman
"And you've bit me even, why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake
Al Wilson said it best in The Snake:
On her way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
"Oh well," she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"
"Take me in oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake
She wrapped him up all cozy in a curvature of silk
And then laid him by the fireside with some honey and some milk
Now she hurried home from work that night as soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she'd taking in had been revived
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake
Now she clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died"
Now she stroked his pretty skin and then she kissed and held him tight
But instead of saying thanks, that snake gave her a vicious bite
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake
"I saved you," cried that woman
"And you've bit me even, why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake
Allen Iverson being the same person he's always been, I agree with. Equating him to a snake (although I don't think that was your intention) I don't agree with. He said a lot of things in that interview that sound perfectly reasonable and make me wonder who's in charge in Memphis because apparently Iverson made no secrets about not wanting to come off the bench (which is why no one else wanted to sign him) and Memphis went and signed him anyway and then asked him to come off the bench. Genius. Add to that trading for Zach Randolph and dicking Rudy Gay around and pretty much ensuring that he won't be back next year and I'm glad I'm not a Grizzlies fan. That team has some problems. No actually the LA Clippers have some problems, the Memphis Grizzlies have PROBLEMS.
As a basketball fan, I hope AI gets to play somewhere because he can still play. And he's still fun to watch.
As a basketball fan, I hope AI gets to play somewhere because he can still play. And he's still fun to watch.
The point was they knew what they were getting.
I was quoting the song for that reason... If they made promises to Iverson to get him to sign, then he might have action. But I'm not gonna pretend Allen Iverson has been some kind of gem for the teams he's played on. And he's certainly no saint.
As far as thinking he's fun to watch, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder.
I was quoting the song for that reason... If they made promises to Iverson to get him to sign, then he might have action. But I'm not gonna pretend Allen Iverson has been some kind of gem for the teams he's played on. And he's certainly no saint.
As far as thinking he's fun to watch, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder.
I actually don't care whether or not he was told that he wasn't going to come off the bench. According to him :God told me to come play for Memphis (paraphrasing but that's the extent he put on Twitter)
What irks me is that how a guy who got injured and miss parts of training camp, the preseason, as well as the 1st three games of the regular season has the right to complain that he's coming off the bench in the 1st game he comes back.
A.I is forever resting on his laurels to have teams do what he wants. He'll be out of the league should he continue to do so.
What irks me is that how a guy who got injured and miss parts of training camp, the preseason, as well as the 1st three games of the regular season has the right to complain that he's coming off the bench in the 1st game he comes back.
A.I is forever resting on his laurels to have teams do what he wants. He'll be out of the league should he continue to do so.
There is no chance for graceful aging with this one. As the street punk playing basketball has always been about "respect" for him. Coming off the bench behind a less accomplished player = therefore a diss and his massively inflated ego is never going to be able to stand it. And I'm not sure whether the Grizzlies danced around this issue with him before he signed with them out of desperation, or whether A.I. actually agreed to possibly coming off the bench before signing, but the ego revolted once he actually saw it was going to happen, but either way I think he had basically no other suitors even willing to promise him that much. He is the classic star who looks like he's going to go straight from stardom right into complete uselessness once his star power fades. Not because he's not still better than half the league, but because he will never accept the role his declining skills demand.
Over the summer apparently some European teams wanted him -- hard to imagine as he represents the antithesis of everything European ball is normally about. But I could see that as maybe his only option here pretty quickly.
Over the summer apparently some European teams wanted him -- hard to imagine as he represents the antithesis of everything European ball is normally about. But I could see that as maybe his only option here pretty quickly.
allen iverson is foolish for believing that, at age 34, and in a souring market, he is in any position to demand a starting position...
memphis is foolish for believing that notoriously-cancerous, past-their-prime, me-first players like zach randolph and allen iverson will actually put fans in the seats in a souring market...
sounds like a match made in heaven, indeed...
memphis is foolish for believing that notoriously-cancerous, past-their-prime, me-first players like zach randolph and allen iverson will actually put fans in the seats in a souring market...
sounds like a match made in heaven, indeed...
Randolph has had a couple of really good games and has kept his mouth shut. I know this guy isn't a saint but wherever he's gone he has produced. The fact that he plays no D and is not a good team player, that's another story... I don't think Memphis was overly concerned with winning. Altough 2 years ago I thought this team was on the cusp of breaking out. Loaded with young talent with awesome draft picks (I mean come on... OJ, Gay, Conley, Gasol) How this team is so bad I have no idea.
I really think the "onesided" nature of this trade gets completely overblown. They got rid of a Pau's big contract (i.e. the main objective of the trade) and still got Marc Gasol out of it. People rave about Jason Thompson's future, but Gasol could very well end up a much more valuable player at the center position. I know it's still very early, but the guy is averaging 15 pts and 12 reb a game so far this year. Hardly just an after-thought so many made him out to be in that trade.
The younger Gasol will turn out to be a great roleplayer. The point of it being one sided is that the lakers got a bona-fide star - one that helped them win the championship. In return the got -? Go ahead, name them and then say it was a fair trade. Maybe not to the extent some people are making it out to be, but it was horrible.
Yeah but it seems to me that more often than not his production comes at the expense of his own team. Not counting the first two years that he was in Portland (and played limited minutes off the bench) the combined records of the teams he's played for in his career add up to 168-328. That's a whole lot of losing. He has been on some really bad teams, but he's also been on teams that under performed and his black-hole, no defense ways certainly contributed. This current Memphis team, for example, has enough talent on it to be a .500 team theoretically. But they've got too many people who want the ball and not enough people playing tough defense and making their teammates better. The result is a net whole which is much less than the sum of it's parts. That's terrible GM'ing for you in a nutshell.
What does that even mean? Next, I suppose you're going to tell us that Eric Gordon could end up a more valuable player at the shooting guard position?
I can understand that. i won't lie and say I've watched all of Randolphs games. When I do, it seems he is very offensively minded, but that could be said for many people. I would understand that he puts his teammates in a bad situation, but it just seems to me that if you have a PF that can average 20 and 10 without putting 100% effort, he would be getting just a tad bit more notice that some other players. And to be honest, many more high profile "stars" have gotten in more trouble than Randolph. Again, not defending him, just seems like the guy has gotten a much worse rap than he deserves. So he doesn't play defense... that can be said for many players in this leauge. Put him next to a defensive C and watch him go! I'd like to see what Popovich could do with him...