Evans to veterans to expansion draft...
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See I think this is the role Mason was brought in for. Garcia is about 30 pounds lighter than Tyreke. Noc is a good physical match up, but I don't think he is fast enough to stay with Tyreke. Mason is 6' 5" 220ish and athletic, right up Tyreke's alley.
GP has a history of bringing is veteran 2 guards who end up doing well on the Kings coming off the bench. Vernon Maxwell, Jim Jackson, Jon Barry, Bonzi Wells etc.
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GP has a history of bringing is veteran 2 guards who end up doing well on the Kings coming off the bench. Vernon Maxwell, Jim Jackson, Jon Barry, Bonzi Wells etc.
KB
Technically starts the 28th with media day. Can't forget that day, it's my birthday 
Care to name all the young players that got trapped behind a vet? I can only think of Gerald Wallace. Peja was better than Wallace and was a better fit.To an extent Mikki Moore-JT, although JT ended up getting his minutes. If you can only think of 1 or 2 guys over a 10 year period then i dont think the statement holds water. I feel that the whole vets taking away from youth tune gets played a little too loudly.
Team sports don't require 1 player to guard 1 player. If the kings are playing defense right, then the rotations will dictate who will be covering Evans. TE13 likely can get past any individual defender, and this will help the team prepare defensively for the likes of Rondo, CP3, D. Will, Ellis, E. Gordon, to name a few. The real help i think Evans will provide is on the defensive end. If he could stay in front of his man and play position D, that helps Spencer and Jason deal with their workload down low without having to worry about helping on the strong side.
1) Don't get me started on Wallace. In my opinion, Stojakovic was not, and is not, better than Wallace; whether he was a better fit is a completely different discussion.
2) Don't change my argument; "simultaneously taking minutes away from young players" ≠ "trapped behind a vet." Taking minutes away means simply that: You are intentionally distorting my argument by adding this "trapped" qualifier, as if it only counts if they didn't get any PT at all. To which I say, bull****. If a young player didn't get as many minutes as they should have gotten because a veteran got them instead, then that vet took minutes away from a young player. Period. If a young player is getting fifteen minutes a game, and a veteran, who is clearly not a part of the future of this team, is getting fifteen minutes, then the kid should be getting ten of those fifteen. Even when Martin was getting twenty-six minutes a game in his second season, he still was getting his minutes taken by veterans; he should have been getting thirty-five. Thompson and Hawes should have been getting more minutes than Miller and Moore all year, not just after New Year's.
I'm not one who subscribes to the opinion that if we end up keeping a young player, then it doesn't matter that he got screwed early on; that it only "counts" if we end up losing out on a player. Whether we keep Thompson or not, we should not be retarding his development in favor of Mikki F. Moore; there's no justification for it, especially not in a losing season. For all that, in my opinion, it doesn't even matter if it ends up bearing out that that player isn't any good. There is no excuse for a kid to sit behind a vet on a lottery team. None whatsoever. It may have borne out, for example, that Quincy Douby ended up not being able to play on the NBA level, but whether he could or not, there was no justification for him to be behind Anthony Johnson in the rotation. Hell, if nothing else, he showed in Toronto that he can hit a wide-open shot.
2) Don't change my argument; "simultaneously taking minutes away from young players" ≠ "trapped behind a vet." Taking minutes away means simply that: You are intentionally distorting my argument by adding this "trapped" qualifier, as if it only counts if they didn't get any PT at all. To which I say, bull****. If a young player didn't get as many minutes as they should have gotten because a veteran got them instead, then that vet took minutes away from a young player. Period. If a young player is getting fifteen minutes a game, and a veteran, who is clearly not a part of the future of this team, is getting fifteen minutes, then the kid should be getting ten of those fifteen. Even when Martin was getting twenty-six minutes a game in his second season, he still was getting his minutes taken by veterans; he should have been getting thirty-five. Thompson and Hawes should have been getting more minutes than Miller and Moore all year, not just after New Year's.
I'm not one who subscribes to the opinion that if we end up keeping a young player, then it doesn't matter that he got screwed early on; that it only "counts" if we end up losing out on a player. Whether we keep Thompson or not, we should not be retarding his development in favor of Mikki F. Moore; there's no justification for it, especially not in a losing season. For all that, in my opinion, it doesn't even matter if it ends up bearing out that that player isn't any good. There is no excuse for a kid to sit behind a vet on a lottery team. None whatsoever. It may have borne out, for example, that Quincy Douby ended up not being able to play on the NBA level, but whether he could or not, there was no justification for him to be behind Anthony Johnson in the rotation. Hell, if nothing else, he showed in Toronto that he can hit a wide-open shot.
I ran down a partial list of the just the recent ones when we signed Mason:
Hedo --> JJ -- coming off a year when he was bursting with promise and a key rotation guy on a 61 win team, the next season he gets squelched when we add JJ, loses his confidence, and is traded at the end of the year
Wallace --> Peeler -- after we trade away Hedo and JJ walks, there is a hole in the rotation. But hey, no problem, our depth the year before was ridiculous and so we still have this very promising kid Wallace to step up into the backup role. Instead we sign a journeyman twerp guard in the offseason, and when Wallace struggles in the first month of the season, Peeler takes his minutes. A few months later we expose and lose Wallace in the expansion draft (thx to an player option clause we granted Peeler in his contract)
Martin --> Bonzi -- with Doug old and traded, Mobley walking, young Kevin Martin looks to be getting big minutes at the SG in his second year, but then we trade for Bonzi, Kevin struggles off the bench and after getting embarrassed one night in Seattle by Ray Allen, loses his spot in the rotation entirely. He only reappears in the lineup when a fortuitous injury puts Bonzi out of commission for 6 weeks.
Hawes/JT --> Mikki -- drafting big men in the lottery for the first time in forever, we decide the appropriate complement it would be signing career garabgetime player Mikki Moore to a ridiculous contract to eat up their minutes. Only the firing of vetcentric egomaniacal Reggie Theus finally ends the loss of thousands of minutes of development time wasted on a nobody.
Douby --> BJax -- clearly poised to break out into All NBA form, Douby is instead squished when we reaquire an obviously washed up Bobby Jackson. A few months later, Douby is released to continue his HOF trajectory with another lucky franchise.
Hedo --> JJ -- coming off a year when he was bursting with promise and a key rotation guy on a 61 win team, the next season he gets squelched when we add JJ, loses his confidence, and is traded at the end of the year
Wallace --> Peeler -- after we trade away Hedo and JJ walks, there is a hole in the rotation. But hey, no problem, our depth the year before was ridiculous and so we still have this very promising kid Wallace to step up into the backup role. Instead we sign a journeyman twerp guard in the offseason, and when Wallace struggles in the first month of the season, Peeler takes his minutes. A few months later we expose and lose Wallace in the expansion draft (thx to an player option clause we granted Peeler in his contract)
Martin --> Bonzi -- with Doug old and traded, Mobley walking, young Kevin Martin looks to be getting big minutes at the SG in his second year, but then we trade for Bonzi, Kevin struggles off the bench and after getting embarrassed one night in Seattle by Ray Allen, loses his spot in the rotation entirely. He only reappears in the lineup when a fortuitous injury puts Bonzi out of commission for 6 weeks.
Hawes/JT --> Mikki -- drafting big men in the lottery for the first time in forever, we decide the appropriate complement it would be signing career garabgetime player Mikki Moore to a ridiculous contract to eat up their minutes. Only the firing of vetcentric egomaniacal Reggie Theus finally ends the loss of thousands of minutes of development time wasted on a nobody.
Douby --> BJax -- clearly poised to break out into All NBA form, Douby is instead squished when we reaquire an obviously washed up Bobby Jackson. A few months later, Douby is released to continue his HOF trajectory with another lucky franchise.
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Hey, I've been a Petrie backer for a long time, but after awhile...you know? I can understand some of the signings earlier considering the goal was to be competitive, but you can just repeat the same practice over and over when the rules have changed. Different times call for a different course of action.
I'll criticize Geoff with the best of them, but I didn't have trouble with these two moves. For a while the JJ signing frustrated me, but when it came playoff time he won me over. He and Bobby and a couple other Kings (Doug I think?) were the only ones still fighting after Webb went down in Dallas. That meant a lot to me, and I forgave Geoff for burying Hedo that year. Now, throwing in Hedo in the Pollard/Miller sign and trade? Especially when it seemed Indiana didn't want him (Hedo ended up in SA in a 3 way)? That makes less sense.
Similarly, I don't recall Martin being that highly touted at the time. We knew he was good, but I don't remember anyone advocating that he was ready to start. Now, was offering Bonzi a contract for $8 million/year after that season a wise move? Of course not, and Geoff should be thanking Bonzi's former agent that he still has his job.
The others, I'll admit, are indefensible. Especially Douby
Similarly, I don't recall Martin being that highly touted at the time. We knew he was good, but I don't remember anyone advocating that he was ready to start. Now, was offering Bonzi a contract for $8 million/year after that season a wise move? Of course not, and Geoff should be thanking Bonzi's former agent that he still has his job.
The others, I'll admit, are indefensible. Especially Douby
I'll criticize Geoff with the best of them, but I didn't have trouble with these two moves. For a while the JJ signing frustrated me, but when it came playoff time he won me over. He and Bobby and a couple other Kings (Doug I think?) were the only ones still fighting after Webb went down in Dallas. That meant a lot to me, and I forgave Geoff for burying Hedo that year. Now, throwing in Hedo in the Pollard/Miller sign and trade? Especially when it seemed Indiana didn't want him (Hedo ended up in SA in a 3 way)? That makes less sense.
Similarly, I don't recall Martin being that highly touted at the time. We knew he was good, but I don't remember anyone advocating that he was ready to start. Now, was offering Bonzi a contract for $8 million/year after that season a wise move? Of course not, and Geoff should be thanking Bonzi's former agent that he still has his job.
The others, I'll admit, are indefensible. Especially Douby
Similarly, I don't recall Martin being that highly touted at the time. We knew he was good, but I don't remember anyone advocating that he was ready to start. Now, was offering Bonzi a contract for $8 million/year after that season a wise move? Of course not, and Geoff should be thanking Bonzi's former agent that he still has his job.
The others, I'll admit, are indefensible. Especially Douby
I think there's a distinct difference between a vet taking a rookie's minutes on a possible championship team, and a vet taking a rookie's minutes on the worse team in the league. If the Spurs were to draft a promising rookie center, I doubt he's going to take minutes away from Tim Duncan. But Mikkie Moore taking minutes away from Thompson. Please!