Mike Brown Fired

[KingsFanSince85]

Not a George fan but he's right on this one.

Vivek is a clown.

Some of you keep dissing Vivek, but how do you know this decision or any decisions for that matter are coming straight from him and not the current GM Monte McNair?

Please, by all means, provide the factual evidence. Because I haven't seen it.

Do I think Vivek is a great or even good owner? Probably not. But until something substantial comes out proving that Vivek is circumventing or overruling the GM he most recently hired -- this is just a bunch of over-reactionary nonsense.

 

[NewArena]

What a strange, screwed up year this has been in so many different ways. Feels like voodoo and some other crap idk

 

[TaxMan]

WOW. Awful ****ing move if we’re picking Fox>Brown. **** these mentally soft entitled players who don’t know to respond to coaching.

give me a break.

I very much doubt they picked fox over brown. There was recent tension, but I really don’t believe this is a move that helps to retain fox. They chose brown now because they absolutely can’t rush a trade of fox. its critical to get the right deal there.

 

[NewArena]

Back to being the Kangz. Klutch brought this on and Vivek is siding with Fox and his agent. It WILL get worse

Ugh please don’t speak more negatives into existence

 

[pdxKingsFan]

You know the second Fox leaves/is traded, that swirling ball of hate is going to immediately bounce towards the poor bastard who moved him lol

If we get good value for him I don't care. Fox has all but made it clear he wants out.

I'll still say that the first or second time I saw him talking about CA taxes on twitter I got the yoinks that he may not be our forever star but I don't think I thought much about his pairings with Steph and Klutch ultimately being bad things.

As for Brown, I think this is a hasty decision but it was the "easy" decision. Can the team make hard decisions and get better is still the million dollar question. I still say we actually did that when we traded for Domas. Maybe there is a way to make us a winning team again - it probably means that we play the best lineups, bench guys who cost a lot, and if we're stuck paying out the full contract of a useless player but it wins us games, so be it.

I'm not sure if that resolves the Fox wants whatever Fox wants to get the supermax though.

 

[NewArena]

The defense that Brown allows to be played is absolutely on Brown and his team of coaches.

A well coached team doesn’t defend the three point line like the Kings have the past few seasons. It’s about where they are, not about whether they’re awful defenders. The scheme is a disaster. That’s on the coach.

And if it’s not scheme and the players are just freelancing that crap, it’s also on the coach for not connecting or fixing it.

I will say, the whole “we aren’t even running a real offense right now” during preseason was a very strange plan and revelation. We have a brand new player and you’re freestyling rather than integrating the man in the best way possible? Wouldn’t you want to use preseason as a time of… practice?? Just freaking bizarre from the start.

 

[gunks]

Some of you keep dissing Vivek, but how do you know this decision or any decisions for that matter are coming straight from him and not the current GM Monte McNair?

Please, by all means, provide the factual evidence. Because I haven't seen it.

Do I think Vivek is a great or even good owner? Probably not. But until something substantial comes out proving that Vivek is circumventing or overruling the GM he most recently hired -- this is just a bunch of over-reactionary nonsense.

I mean, the same dumb **** has been happening over and over again since he's been owner, but maybe it's just a coincidence.

And I'm not talking about the firing of Brown in a vacuum either, but the bush-league way it went down, in a desperate attempt to appease a low key sullen headcase in Fox, when we SHOULD be shipping him out while he has value. Smacks of Vivekian foolishness.

 

[NewArena]

It's definitely different than Malone because this team probably has had the highest expectation for success since that 02-03 season in franchise history. Not to mention weve regressed as a team in each consecutive season under Brown.

Obviously not all his fault, but he should take some of the blame. And he has made some questionable decisions. But nothing that should have gotten him fired, not even close

I get it. I don’t want him fired either but something had to be done - i just hope Monte has something else planned for this roster.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Jordi is 12-18 in Brooklyn with more wings than we have. I like Jordi too but come on man

Ya and that whole fan base is in a agreement that they got a great coach despite tanking smh

 

[Krunker]

James Ham was on with Dlo a while ago and he said it was an embarrassment how it went down. Apparently coach went through a practice and he was fired not 10 minutes afterward.

actually it was a guy from news 10 local station here in Sacramento who was also at practice who said it was unprofessional how the firing went down today. Ham just agreed with him, saying that the way it went down was bad PR.

I dunno, if the decision to fire him was made during the day then letting MB finish practice seems fine to me.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The pre season win total line was 19.5 wins and they have 12 at Christmas with 52 games left.

Lines though are about attracting gamblers not real sport science. I think Jordi is going to have a great career. If firing Brown today was on the table we should have offered Jordi the job when Brown was strong arming us. I think today was a knee jerk move unless it is the first domino of many that need to drop.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I dunno, if the decision to fire him was made during the day then letting MB finish practice seems fine to me.

It's a can't win situation. People criticizing that they practiced today should get over themselves.

 

[NewArena]

Great post from Dave

https://twitter.com/statuses/1872693795705311691

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I am unclear of the math and COVID shortened the seasons but Mike Brown and Luke Walton's tenures were more or less the same time duration and that is frickin wild.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Lines though are about attracting gamblers not real sport science. I think Jordi is going to have a great career. If firing Brown today was on the table we should have offered Jordi the job when Brown was strong arming us. I think today was a knee jerk move unless it is the first domino of many that need to drop.

It’s a sports science billions of dollars are moved based on those numbers

 

[pdxKingsFan]

It’s a sports science billions of dollars are moved based on those numbers

It is as much about psychology as it is results. If too much action comes one way they adjust the odds to attract more action the other.

I used to work adjacent to casinos. I have a minor clue what I'm talking about.

 

[NewArena]

Despite all the mental blunders and defensive stupidity, I wonder how many more games the Kings would have won if Keegan and Huerter were just shooting a league average 36% from 3?

Yup SMH

 

[206Fan]

After calming down a little bit, here's my coaching wishlist for the remainder of the year.

• Move DeRozan to the bench. We can't compensate for his negative defense or lack of 3pt shooting anymore.
• Play Keegan at SF and STOP MAKING HIM TURN INTO A DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST. JFC, make our PG guard PGs. Make our SGs guard SGs. Please get back on track with developing him as an all-around basketball player.
• Play Keon Ellis
• Guard the 3pt line

 

[NewArena]

Who knows. Maybe some different schemes and simplified offense in some areas will help a guy like Keegan find himself again. His good to great flashes have been there enough for me to still be high on him. Huerter can go

 

[NewArena]

Some of you keep dissing Vivek, but how do you know this decision or any decisions for that matter are coming straight from him and not the current GM Monte McNair?

Please, by all means, provide the factual evidence. Because I haven't seen it.

Do I think Vivek is a great or even good owner? Probably not. But until something substantial comes out proving that Vivek is circumventing or overruling the GM he most recently hired -- this is just a bunch of over-reactionary nonsense.

Yeah for all we know, Vivek has been out of the way and a lot less vocal lately. I don’t like the way people talk about him at all, though he has his flaws of course.

 

[TaxMan]

James Ham was on with Dlo a while ago and he said it was an embarrassment how it went down. Apparently coach went through a practice and he was fired not 10 minutes afterward.

actually it was a guy from news 10 local station here in Sacramento who was also at practice who said it was unprofessional how the firing went down today. Ham just agreed with him, saying that the way it went down was bad PR.

The optics aren’t great for sure, but I’m not ready to kill ownership over this. It was clearly not an easy decision. Not just because of what it means on the court, but it will cost ownership a healthy chunk of change, plus the negative publicity the firing will inevitably bring to the kangz organization. I refuse to believe ownership was just trying to squeak out one more practice from brown before firing him. Decision I’m sure wasn’t made until things got going with practice. At that point do you let him fly to LA? Coach the next game just for all these optics? If they were committed to the decision it just had to happen.

 

[SacTownKid]

Get 'em Doug!!! Oh, and thanks Mike!

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

I am unclear of the math and COVID shortened the seasons but Mike Brown and Luke Walton's tenures were more or less the same time duration and that is frickin wild.

Mike coached more games but, yes, the duration (in terms of # of years) were similar.

 

[fansinceday1]

The only problem Ham had with it was it seemed like it was cooked up last minute. Like either Fox went in and said “it’s him or me” or the FO actually decided what to do 10 minutes after practice. Again, this was Ham and the News 10 guy saying it had all the vibes of the way the franchise USE TO do things.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

After calming down a little bit, here's my coaching wishlist for the remainder of the year.

• Move DeRozan to the bench. We can't compensate for his negative defense or lack of 3pt shooting anymore.
• Play Keegan at SF and STOP MAKING HIM TURN INTO A DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST. JFC, make our PG guard PGs. Make our SGs guard SGs. Please get back on track with developing him as an all-around basketball player.
• Play Keon Ellis
• Guard the 3pt line

I agree with just about all of this but who do we start at PF?

That to me is why the team is undone. We have bled size the last two years and that's what landed us here. A move has to be made to get someone here that facilitates this. Then the question becomes do you mortgage future picks to land this player or do you cut bait and move a player who nets a nice return.

Obviously the organization is at a major crossroads and Mike Brown was probably only the first casualty.

 

[The_Jamal]

The only problem Ham had with it was it seemed like it was cooked up last minute. Like either Fox went in and said “it’s him or me” or the FO actually decided what to do 10 minutes after practice. Again, this was Ham and the News 10 guy saying it had all the vibes of the way the franchise USE TO do things.

Meh, Ham just looks for ways to take potshots at the org because his access got limited. To me, what would have been a real FU is if Brown got on the plane to LA and woke up tomorrow to a "hey you're fired"

Just because we practiced today, doesn't mean anything. My guess is the powers that be got together last night, talked about everything, slept on it and went forward with the decision today.

Is there a "proper" time to make an organizational shift like this? Especially when it's going to be hotly contested in the media?

 

[Caccia]

You guys ready for Frank Vogel or Darvin Hamm?

Frank Vogel is a definite possibility. Very astute coach.

 

[New Era]

It's easy to point fingers and say this is a "Kangz" move but we really don't have all the information here. What if numerous players have told the FO that there are issues in the locker room and/or the team has lost faith in MB? Clearly, there has been something very off with this team for the past month or so. Just about everybody is playing pretty far below their normal expectation. This team is WAY too talented to be 13-18 and losing the last 5 home games. The rotations, timeout execution, in-game decisions, etc. have been head scratching. It seems to me that he lost the team.

This seems to be a pattern with MB over his career....flames out after 2-3 years with each team.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Yeah for all we know, Vivek has been out of the way and a lot less vocal lately. I don’t like the way people talk about him at all, though he has his flaws of course.

If the talk/blame is warranted, I completely understand it. But when it's complete speculation, it's unfair.

 

[jiimbob]

It's easy to point fingers and say this is a "Kangz" move but we really don't have all the information here. What if numerous players have told the FO that there are issues in the locker room and/or the team has lost faith in MB? Clearly, there has been something very off with this team for the past month or so. Just about everybody is playing pretty far below their normal expectation. This team is WAY too talented to be 13-18 and losing the last 5 home games. The rotations, timeout execution, in-game decisions, etc. have been head scratching. It seems to me that he lost the team.

This seems to be a pattern with MB over his career....flames out after 2-3 years with each team.

does make me wonder if Keon will see more consistent play