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At one point they were talking about a third round.
The problem with the second round is that the PA are the ones fighting against more/longer two-ways I think. Most teams would love to develop guys for a few years if they can, but the system in place you basically have two years for these midrange talents to develop in your system or you have to cut bait. For the guys who are 4 year projects good luck.
Just look at Nemi. He gets a ring right? and probably will be a full time roster player in another 2-3 years. Little good that did us.
The problem with the second round is that the PA are the ones fighting against more/longer two-ways I think. Most teams would love to develop guys for a few years if they can, but the system in place you basically have two years for these midrange talents to develop in your system or you have to cut bait. For the guys who are 4 year projects good luck.
Just look at Nemi. He gets a ring right? and probably will be a full time roster player in another 2-3 years. Little good that did us.
Because there aren't enough minutes to find out if they are ever going to pan out. Like, Slawson is intriguing but how will he get minutes? And two more UDFA were just added. Seems like second rounders are the most valuable for second apron teams. But crap,I'm just a fan who really doesn't know much so please educate me if I'm seeing this wrong.
Things changed in the 2010s. Not sure exactly what, but that's when reports started trickling in about agents telling teams not to draft their players in the second round. Sometimes they still get drafted by the team they have backroom deals with but othertimes they just fall out and sign as undrafted.
Trayce Jackson-Davis is perhaps the highest profile most recent player. Interested teams in the 30s were told do not draft our guy. Warriors nabbed him at 57 and it's a "heist". And someone in his camp has ties directly to the Warriors, it's not even fair.
Trayce Jackson-Davis is perhaps the highest profile most recent player. Interested teams in the 30s were told do not draft our guy. Warriors nabbed him at 57 and it's a "heist". And someone in his camp has ties directly to the Warriors, it's not even fair.
Again, there weren't minutes for Keon Ellis...until there was and then he showed how valuable he was to not leave off the floor. IT2 was the damn last pick in the draft until he pretty much immediately showed he was better than our lotto pick, Jimmer.
Slawson very well could have a similar opportunity this year. We just shipped out Sasha, Lyles is on an expiring and could be included in a deal. One injury and he might get his opportunity too.
It's about shots on goal. The hit rate will be incredibly low and virtually all these guys won't make it in the league. But the idea of continuing to invest in developmental slots on your roster is how you build a sustained winner because of the lack of initial investment with incredible payoff. Think NOP is happy they kept their 2nd that ended up being Herb Jones? We got a massive hit with Keon Ellis; let's go find the next one.
Slawson very well could have a similar opportunity this year. We just shipped out Sasha, Lyles is on an expiring and could be included in a deal. One injury and he might get his opportunity too.
It's about shots on goal. The hit rate will be incredibly low and virtually all these guys won't make it in the league. But the idea of continuing to invest in developmental slots on your roster is how you build a sustained winner because of the lack of initial investment with incredible payoff. Think NOP is happy they kept their 2nd that ended up being Herb Jones? We got a massive hit with Keon Ellis; let's go find the next one.
Honestly, yeah.
The 2nd round contracts are basically free, especially in this new NBA landscape. You find a rotation player out of it, it's a damn goldmine in terms of value. Especially with us being a roster with 2 max players and a big Fox extension looming. Finding cheap production is going to be a must.
The 2nd round contracts are basically free, especially in this new NBA landscape. You find a rotation player out of it, it's a damn goldmine in terms of value. Especially with us being a roster with 2 max players and a big Fox extension looming. Finding cheap production is going to be a must.
Just to see what you are talking about, I checked Kuzma's TS% this past season: .547. On the Kings, that would put him just ahead of Kessler Edwards. His Win Share/48 was .oo4. Wow. McDaniels, on the other hand, in the 2022-23 season, before he was traded, had a TS% that was slightly higher, at .551, despite the reputation of Kuzma as a shooter. After the trade from Charlotte to Philadelphia, it was .580. His Win Share/48 was .109.
As I said before, I always thought he was a good, reliable backup at forward.
As I said before, I always thought he was a good, reliable backup at forward.
so if we effectively traded Davion, HB, Huerter, Sasha, 45th overall, and the Portland pick, and whatever else other draft capital it would take for Ingram (guy’s on an expiring so I’d assume a draft pick package similar to what the Pacers gave up for Pascal) and McDaniels, would that be a successful trade in everyone’s eyes?
Hm. I've never been a big believer in Brandon Ingram, but I definitely prefer the idea of him to the likes of Kuzma or LaVine. Barnes, Huerter, plus additional draft capital doesn't seem like quite enough to get such a deal done, but if it is, and if you add it to the cost of the salary dump, I'd probably consider that a successful trade, if a slight overpay in total assets.
I'm skeptical how you could pay Ingram what he wants, give Fox his extension and keep Keon/Keegan around. But if that's possible, I'd be in on this.
I think my favorite path is going and getting a MLE wing. I sneakily really like this "role player" grouping of Obi/Jalen/Okoro/Naji/Caleb Martin. All dudes I think really help us and upgrade that wing slot (not in Jalen's case, but yeah).
I think my favorite path is going and getting a MLE wing. I sneakily really like this "role player" grouping of Obi/Jalen/Okoro/Naji/Caleb Martin. All dudes I think really help us and upgrade that wing slot (not in Jalen's case, but yeah).
I don't like it, who would. We have to face facts Davion had to go best for both the Kings and Davion. Sasha was salty and from the Divencenzo experiment you know what Monte does with malcontents. If we're being honest Barnes is the next to go. I want a third year from Huerter to see if he bounces back but, it they move him its whatever. There must be something simmering and I hope its a tall rangy wing.
They both upside even if limited.
I thought the fire sale days were over. I hate the idea of "clearing the way for another deal" because the next deal should be in place before you do this one. Absolutely nothing is guaranteed in the NBA market and if the second deal isn't announced within the hour you don't have a second deal.
I thought the fire sale days were over. I hate the idea of "clearing the way for another deal" because the next deal should be in place before you do this one. Absolutely nothing is guaranteed in the NBA market and if the second deal isn't announced within the hour you don't have a second deal.
