Looking ahead to the 2023 Draft

It's weird some mocks have Durisic going in the 2nd round this year and some have him going in the first round next year, if he's there in the 2nd round since his shot was way off this year at Mega he's got massive upside imo he would be a steal. If I'm him I would not risk not getting drafted (e.g Roko with his injury) even in the 2nd round he will stick and make like 10 times the money he's probably making now in Mega. The skills other than shooting currently are legit at 6'7/6'8 I wonder if he will come for the combine tests now that his team has been eliminated from the ABA. After watching him all year he plays (how he was used) like a "the grim reapers at the door Luka" (worse than poormans) but with a Devin Booker body/athletic ability and has a natural ability to play passing lanes and can defend when he wants to.
 
Well for one thing, Lyles can step away from the basket and play the same role he playes when he's on the floor with Sabonis, or Len. Davis would play center and Lyles would play PF. I'm very interested to see what Davis standing reach is, because that's the stat that really matters. If your 6'9" but you have a 9'1" standing reach, that's the standing reach of most centers. I believe that Mitchell Robinson measured out at the combine at 6'10", but he also had a standing reach of 9'2". He has no problem protecting the rim.

As Jerry Reynolds once stated: You don't rebound with the top of your head. While measurements are interesting, and have to be taken into consideration, their not the be all end all. I can't deny what I saw with my eyes this past season. The dude blocked just a tick under 3 blocks a game in a very tough conference going up against very good competition. Now whether he can develop a jumpshot or not is anyone's guess. In an interview when he was asked about not taking any shots away from the basket, he basically implied that he was doing what the team wanted him to do.

He's a much better athlete than Sabonis, and I guarantee you that he can easily jump higher than Sabonis. I watched him block some 7 footers this season, and he did it easily. I admit that I would be more pleased if the Kings could draft him in the 2nd rd. As I stated before, if I'm the GM and Max Lewis is there, I'm taking him. I think Lewis is one of the best players in this draft. Just my humble opinion. I've been wrong before.
So in a typical draft do you think a player like Davis with his reach and athleticism but questionable shot is a high 2nd rounder? I noticed Mitchell Robinson was selected with the 36th overall pick.
 

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So in a typical draft do you think a player like Davis with his reach and athleticism but questionable shot is a high 2nd rounder? I noticed Mitchell Robinson was selected with the 36th overall pick.
I don't remember specifically what they might have been, but I think Robinson had some red flags that caused him to drop. He spent a good deal of the year being mocked in the low lottery if I recall correctly.

I don't think I'd look at Robinson at being a very good comp for TJD at any rate. Robinson gets by on athleticism and defense while not really having an offensive game. TJD doesn't seem to have the athletic prowess that Robinson does, but is a beast in the post offensively without having (or at least showcasing) much of a jump shot. Both have a questionable shot, but the overall package is quite different.
 
I don't remember specifically what they might have been, but I think Robinson had some red flags that caused him to drop. He spent a good deal of the year being mocked in the low lottery if I recall correctly.

I don't think I'd look at Robinson at being a very good comp for TJD at any rate. Robinson gets by on athleticism and defense while not really having an offensive game. TJD doesn't seem to have the athletic prowess that Robinson does, but is a beast in the post offensively without having (or at least showcasing) much of a jump shot. Both have a questionable shot, but the overall package is quite different.
Mitchell Robinson didnt play organized basketball til like 10th grade and then there was a bizarre situation at Western Kentucky which led him to leave, then re-enroll, then decide ultimately on not playing to prepare for the draft, so teams wanted a better look at him.

It was "one of those situations" WKU hired Robinson's Godfather to help recruit him, then the godfather, Shammond Williams, ends up resigning before the season, then Robinson never plays.. Looking back now this case can be filed under the "before NIL" days..

Your right that he's not a very good comp for TJD as Robinson is infact ultra athletic for an NBA sized starting C, with a real knack for blocking jumpshots on the perimeter as well.

Robinson is a good example of a C that fell out of the 1st that never should've. He's proven to be absolutely elite on the offensive boards and was quite effective in their first round upset victory over the Cavs who have the highly touted Evan Mobley and highly paid Jarrett Allen. He averaged a completely absurd 4.5 orebs per game this season.

He's also managed to shoot 71% from the field in 289 NBA games sofar in his nba career, which is totally insane, I'll eat my shoe if TJD is anywhere remotely near that. He legit dunks everything.
 
So the Combines are underway! there was some private workouts leading up this too.


Reportedly the Kings worked out 7-footer Carlson from Utah.

Collin Castleton had a good game at the combine scrimmage, I hope we see him get worked out by the Kings too, another skilled 7 footer. Though it seems the Kings will keep things tight lipped again about whos in for workouts again.

Johni Broome had a big game today he's another shotblocker I hope to see workout here.
 
So the Combines are underway! there was some private workouts leading up this too.


Reportedly the Kings worked out 7-footer Carlson from Utah.

Collin Castleton had a good game at the combine scrimmage, I hope we see him get worked out by the Kings too, another skilled 7 footer. Though it seems the Kings will keep things tight lipped again about whos in for workouts again.

Johni Broome had a big game today he's another shotblocker I hope to see workout here.
Anywhere to watch the combine games?
 
Anywhere to watch the combine games?
Well right now these are the G-League Elite combine not to be confused with the NBA combine, these guys are more on the fringe of the 2nd rd or destined to go undrafted, many are just testing the waters and looking for feedback and will return to school to try again next year.

I saw a players name I wasnt all that familliar with, looked him up he was born in 1998! turns 25 start of next season. But yeah there's like 120players there, the NBA is sure ramping up their efforts in the offseason quickly.

On the 15th the NBA app will stream the strngth and agility and shooting drills from the NBA Combine 3-5 EST... of course this is the final combine where many of the projected 1st rd picks wont participate, though most will attend, next year rules from the new CBA will force invited players to test.

No Wembanyama, Coulibaly or Nnaji.

ESPN2 and a streaming service FuboTV will have 4 hours of coverage on wednesday(2-6EST) and thursday(4-8EST)
 
some updates went thru on ESPN's list yesterday.. Taylor Hendricks up from 10 to 9. By-far most of the movement is in the 60-100 range, lotta names that werent there before.

Olivier Maxence-Prosper up to 61!
Toumani Camara at 77, Colin Castleton at 80, Ben Sheppard at 83, Jalen Slawson at 93, Sir'Jabari Rice at 96, Dillon Jones from Weber State at 98.
 

We're sitting pretty right now if players like Max Lewis and GG Jackson are projected lower than our pick. Feeling confident we get a good player in the first.
Yep, I’m all aboard the Max Lewis train. His potential is sky high and would be a great pick. This is a really good draft anywhere from 1-45. I think we’ll be able to nab a “1st round prospect” with the Pacers pick too.

This feels like the 2017 draft all over again. Great top level talent with great depth. I still can’t believe we wasted picks on Jackson and Giles after picking Fox…
 
Yep, I’m all aboard the Max Lewis train. His potential is sky high and would be a great pick. This is a really good draft anywhere from 1-45. I think we’ll be able to nab a “1st round prospect” with the Pacers pick too.

This feels like the 2017 draft all over again. Great top level talent with great depth. I still can’t believe we wasted picks on Jackson and Giles after picking Fox…
yep the frank mason pick was horrible too, mason was never better than monte morris who went 20 picks later. taking mason after fox is like buying a brand new ferrari and a 1996 chevy corsica on the same day.

coulda had

fox
anunoby
jarrett allen
dillon brooks

seems we will get some reinforcements from that 2017 draft with Vezenkov though.
 
Measurements coming thru

Alabama’s Charles Bediako’s official measurements from the G League Elite Camp: 6’10” barefoot, 7’3 ¼” wingspan, 9’3 ½” standing reach, 10 ¼” wide hands, 223.4 lbs with 11.4% body fat

Tennessee’s Olivier Nkamhoua’s official measurements from the G League Elite Camp: 6’8 ¼” barefoot, 7’0 ¼” wingspan, 8’10 ½” standing reach, 10 ½” wide hands, 229 lbs with 5.7% body fat

Kansas State’s Markquis Nowell’s official measurements from the G League Elite Camp: 5’6 ¾” barefoot, 6’0 ½” wingspan, 7’5” standing reach, 160.4 lbs with 5.0% body fat

Rutgers’ Cliff Omoruyi’s official measurements from the G League Elite Camp: 6’9” barefoot, 7'6 ¼”wingspan, 9'2 ½” standing reach, 11” wide hands, 243.2 lbs with 6.6% body fat.

Florida's Colin Castleton’s official measurements from the G League Elite Camp: 6’10 ½” barefoot, 7'3 ½”wingspan, 9'2 ½” standing reach, 233.6 lbs with 7.1% body fat.
 
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How bout this! a new wrinkle to the offseason guess you can get called up from the smaller combine to the big one

Interesting to see Jazian Gortman's name up there. He's 20 years old now. Only a decent 3pt shooter but his other tools are very good, dynamic tough and explosive scoring guard, 6'2, long arms, strong frame, absorbs contact well, bigtime hustle and energy player whos really good in transition and when hes getting downhill. averaged a ton of steals in the OTE this season, 2.5 per game.

 
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Yep, I’m all aboard the Max Lewis train. His potential is sky high and would be a great pick. This is a really good draft anywhere from 1-45. I think we’ll be able to nab a “1st round prospect” with the Pacers pick too.

This feels like the 2017 draft all over again. Great top level talent with great depth. I still can’t believe we wasted picks on Jackson and Giles after picking Fox…
yeah no kidding. We passed on OG twice. I was screaming at the TV to take him.
 
Watching the Maxwell Lewis video above, he looks great. Then again, a lot of these videos when cut and spliced can make guys look great. Still, there are some things showing through. How is his defense?
 
Watching the Maxwell Lewis video above, he looks great. Then again, a lot of these videos when cut and spliced can make guys look great. Still, there are some things showing through. How is his defense?
Not that it's a stat I put a ton of weight into but his Box Plus/Minus is really really low for a sophomore. I looked up a handful of late 1st/early 2nd picks and couldn't find a single one with a BPM as bad as his. The closest comp I found to a successful player was Brogdon's freshmen year but his sophomore year it shot way up to normal levels. Kessler Edwards also had a similar deal his freshman year at Pepperdine but his shot up about 3x by his sophomore year.

Could be held down because of the team Lewis plays on but it makes you wonder why the stat says his impact on the game was super low despite his stats looking average enough.
 

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KOC with a new mock. Has us taking Colby Jones at 24 since we’re “in win now mode” which seems like absolutely lazy analysis on his part. We also pass up on Cissoko, Bilal Coulibaly, Sensabaugh (who I absolutely do not see lasting all the way until this pick), Max Lewis, and James Nnaji, who are ll guys I probably prefer over Colby as prospects. Also has Kris Murray falling out of the 1st round.

Although the more I think about it, Colby Jones does seem like very much a Monte pick. (Aside from the shooting concerns)
 
KOC with a new mock. Has us taking Colby Jones at 24 since we’re “in win now mode” which seems like absolutely lazy analysis on his part. We also pass up on Cissoko, Bilal Coulibaly, Sensabaugh (who I absolutely do not see lasting all the way until this pick), Max Lewis, and James Nnaji, who are ll guys I probably prefer over Colby as prospects. Also has Kris Murray falling out of the 1st round.

Although the more I think about it, Colby Jones does seem like very much a Monte pick. (Aside from the shooting concerns)
Hope not. Colby Jones has AAAA player written all over him. Guy with decent skills that just can't shoot.
 

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Hope not. Colby Jones has AAAA player written all over him. Guy with decent skills that just can't shoot.
He was .378 from three this year. That seems workable to me. Always looked like a good enough shooter when I watched him. I'm not sure why he falls into your "just can't shoot" category.
 

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Not that it's a stat I put a ton of weight into but his Box Plus/Minus is really really low for a sophomore. I looked up a handful of late 1st/early 2nd picks and couldn't find a single one with a BPM as bad as his. The closest comp I found to a successful player was Brogdon's freshmen year but his sophomore year it shot way up to normal levels. Kessler Edwards also had a similar deal his freshman year at Pepperdine but his shot up about 3x by his sophomore year.

Could be held down because of the team Lewis plays on but it makes you wonder why the stat says his impact on the game was super low despite his stats looking average enough.
I think I try to think about BPM in the context of the other players on the team - the ones who are on the floor when player X is sitting. I don't know the Pepperdine team really well, but I think we would expect the quality of the Waves team to be reasonably low outside of Max, so his BPM should be solid. But then again, it's possible that the Pepperdine bench is actually much better than the rest of the conference benches, so maybe a great bench is making his BPM look bad. Hard to say without really digging.