[Game] Kings vs Mavs, 8/4/2020 11:30AM PST 3:30AM JST

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
Also one thing that has become abundantly clear is that Luke has less of an idea on how to coach this team than Doug Christie who I'm assuming has never been asked about coaching the team due to lack of experience holding a clipboard or has refused the job because he's smart and doesn't want the stress.
 
More than one thing can be bad at once.
And c'mon, Barnes took 6 shots the whole game. Again, who makes that call? It all points to the same place, no fighting, no arguing, is what it is. And you can have bad coaches for your team or bad coaches in general 10 in a row. We know. LOL. I long for the days of being able to blame everything on personnel. That's more easily fixed. Installing new systems, coaches, etc. is a process.
 
Harrison Barnes 6 points 3 rebounds 1 assits
Bogi 0 points 3 boards 1 assits

some will blame Luke
Some will blame Luke?

Of course they will. And they’ll be right. Your first sentence proves it.

You just pointed to the two players that were dreadful that the coach left in the game during the most crucial parts of it.

Not only that, plays were actually designed for them.

You’re GD right that’s on Luke Walton.
 
Well, again, the positive is play time is over. No illusion end of the season run that gives you false hope into the offseason. This is like a playoff preseason and some things are becoming undeniable. The flaws on the court start at the coaching seat and they are so variable at this point it's comical. Never fully commit to common sense, run away from the sensible play call, and when you do go small boil your players with full quarters + of minutes so they come out like bread that's been in the toaster for too long.
The issue with Walton is that he has NO clue on how to teach a young team to play like a team.

He did great with a bunch of veterans in Golden State, who knew how to play and where to be.

This Zen master crap, leaving your young players out there to figure it out themselves. won't work with this young team. This team just does not have the BBIQ to figure it out themselves.

Both Vlade and Walton should be fired at this point, but with the money this team owe those two, fat chance the Kings get rid of them now.
 
Barnes and Bogie should not be starting anymore. Barnes is as close to useless as someone receiving 30+ minutes can be and Bogie can't put together two consecutive good games ever.
Barnes is actually the key to any success by almost all 5 man metrics. Not as a performer but as the glue/fit that makes a small ball team work. Especially defensively. Walton relies on switches and closeouts, no duh why playing big doesn't seem to work. Small worked in this one BTW even though 2 PG is still a loser coach! Has been since Fox was drafted although Joseph is a much better option than the previous ones of Yogi, Frank Mason, and George Hill. We discussed this in the season as well but starting off big puts this team in a hole. Starting small then transitioning big isn't ideal but it seems to stave off that typical lurch at the beginning of games.
 
And c'mon, Barnes took 6 shots the whole game. Again, who makes that call? It all points to the same place, no fighting, no arguing, is what it is. And you can have bad coaches for your team or bad coaches in general 10 in a row. We know. LOL. I long for the days of being able to blame everything on personnel. That's more easily fixed. Installing new systems, coaches, etc. is a process.
There we go blaming the ****ing coach Barnes plays like he doesn’t care he’s done that since he’s been drafted. Bazemore took 16 shots ate you saying Luke called plays for him, Barnes is just out there to be out there.
 
The issue with Walton is that he has NO clue on how to teach a young team to play like a team.

He did great with a bunch of veterans in Golden State, who knew how to play and where to be.

This Zen master crap, leaving your young players out there to figure it out themselves. won't work with this young team. This team just does not have the BBIQ to figure it out themselves.

Both Vlade and Walton should be fired at this point, but with the money this team owe those two, fat chance the Kings get rid of them now.
LA wasn't a great example for him for sure but he has to face facts at some point, this isn't even a young team here! Look at who he's playing. This is mostly a veteran team. Younger but still veteran. Some with championship/deep playoff experience to boot.
 
There we go blaming the ****ing coach Barnes plays like he doesn’t care he’s done that since he’s been drafted. Bazemore took 16 shots ate you saying Luke called plays for him, Barnes is just out there to be out there.
Barnes hasn't looked great for sure, but jeez, who has looked great under Walton? Again, you can't isolate a compound issue and expect to fix it with one move unless that involves going small or playing Len at C if choosing to play traditional ball.
 
There we go blaming the ****ing coach Barnes plays like he doesn’t care he’s done that since he’s been drafted. Bazemore took 16 shots ate you saying Luke called plays for him, Barnes is just out there to be out there.
On the radio interview going on currently Luke said they ran "plays" for him in the 4th.

Reasoning is with small ball and switching the game style changes.

That's what Luke said, once Holmes fouled out.
 
LA wasn't a great example for him for sure but he has to face facts at some point, this isn't even a young team here! Look at who he's playing. This is mostly a veteran team. Younger but still veteran. Some with championship/deep playoff experience to boot.
I was thinking the same when I saw his comment about growing and learning lessons the other day. Almost the entire rotation is 27, 28 or older (the two exceptions, Fox and Giles, haven’t been the primary culprits). I’m all about enjoying a lifetime of learning, but isn’t it safe to say these guys are who they are at this point?
 
On the radio interview going on currently Luke said they ran "plays" for him in the 4th.

Reasoning is with small ball and switching the game style changes.

That's what Luke said, once Holmes fouled out.
Most of the plays I saw being run for Barnes were early and guess what they were? Posting up with bigs around him. Again, stupid. Not as dumb as usual but iffy. Barnes is the best iso option on the team. Period. He can have off games but if that's where you're going then he has to be the one to either carry you or bury you. The issue all year has been having a straight line path to the well and once you get there refusing to drink.
 
Most of the plays I saw being run for Barnes were early and guess what they were? Posting up with bigs around him. Again, stupid. Not as dumb as usual but iffy. Barnes is the best iso option on the team. Period. He can have off games but if that's where you're going then he has to be the one to either carry you or bury you. The issue all year has been having a straight line path to the well and once you get there refusing to drink.
If fox dishes to him near the basket after a drive, fine. The ball swings from a 3 point threat like Buddy to a well positioned Barnes near the basket cool.

Dribble dribble feed, guard slap, bigger body on him, contest, not so much.
 
I was thinking the same when I saw his comment about growing and learning lessons the other day. Almost the entire rotation is 27, 28 or older (the two exceptions, Fox and Giles, haven’t been the primary culprits). I’m all about enjoying a lifetime of learning, but isn’t it safe to say these guys are who they are at this point?
Yep. Honestly players that come into college are largely already pretty much developed after AAU and all the training they do. This is why using these players to their strengths is mandatory. Them being in the cusp of their prime should be a good thing in reality. Especially for Fox who still has upside probably.
 
If fox dishes to him near the basket after a drive, fine. The ball swings from a 3 point threat like Buddy to a well positioned Barnes near the basket cool.

Dribble dribble feed, guard slap, bigger body on him, contest, not so much.
Yeah, or wait for Barnes to be doubled and swing back out. That's the problem though, they've said Fox is the guy. Well, how can you not just dust off Karls unused playbook and run 4/5 out drive and dish ball 90% of the time? They have shooters including one of the best in the NBA in Buddy. They have screen and roll/pop bigs. They have two combo F's in Barnes and DaQuan that can both space. It's all there.
 
KINGS up 6 after Swipa hits a short jumper w/ 4:07 remaining in Q4.

Over the next 2 minutes, Bogi gets THREE shots. Barnes had ONE.

For those defending Walton and placing blame elsewhere, riddle us this.

Why were two of worst performing players of that game BOTH in the game at that crucial time?
That’s not on the players. That’s on the coach.

Secondly, why is Bogi getting THREE shots in a 2 minute span when hasn’t shown the ability to hit one all game long?

There’s no defending that.

I can see an argument for Barnes being in the game for defensive purposes. But having Bogi in the game at that point over Buddy Hield was absolute INCOMPETENCE of the highest order.

The KINGS weren’t in a position to afford allowing a player time to find himself. This isn’t game 3 of an 82 game season. It was game 3 of an 8 game season where they are down 3.5 games and already lost the first two games.

But Walton coached this game as if it were a Disney Mighty Ducks-like script wherein the player that struggled all game was absolutely, positively gonna make the big shot when it counted most and save the day.

As we all saw, this didn’t end like a Hollywood script and the KINGS absolutely gave away a game they had control of due to inept coaching decisions and poor performances from the players he stubbornly refused to remove from the game during the most critical point of the game.

There’s really no other way to spin it.
 
Yeah, or wait for Barnes to be doubled and swing back out. That's the problem though, they've said Fox is the guy. Well, how can you not just dust off Karls unused playbook and run 4/5 out drive and dish ball 90% of the time? They have shooters including one of the best in the NBA in Buddy. They have screen and roll/pop bigs. They have two combo F's in Barnes and DaQuan that can both space. It's all there.
Oh absolutely, Ty Lawson looked fantastic back in the day running that, Fox would do even better. Shame Karl didn't have this version of the Kings and instead had what he had.
 
If we won this one we would have been right in there, in the hunt.
Eh, maybe but it might not have mattered. Lets be honest. The effort was great but the truth is anyone with eyeballs could still see a team allowing open 3's being unable to closeout (mostly when big) and one of the best 3 point shooting teams missing the shots they wanted. Seth plays this and it's probably ugly at some point. He's been their one semi-consistent threat from outside during the re-start.
 
I agree. Thought CoJo was pretty good today. He made some terrific defensive plays and also some nice box outs.
He made Doncic work but in the end talent wins out. Corey is a good role player but I'd still take Buddy and Bogdan taking 10 shots to get going as a more likely winning strategy than watching the majority minutes go to your 2nd PG. This is all so flawed it's surreal.