SF Trades
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Not a bad suggestion. I can see the logic but frankly I would think hard about giving up on Giles so soon. The kid has potential and a terrific attitude. I love him.
Jackson on the other hand...let’s just say I don’t like players who try to dictate who can draft them, as Jackson did with the Celtics. This is doubly true when they prove to be a big disappointment, as Jackson has.
Jackson on the other hand...let’s just say I don’t like players who try to dictate who can draft them, as Jackson did with the Celtics. This is doubly true when they prove to be a big disappointment, as Jackson has.
Well the Wiz only have two top tradeable players and they're Beal and Porter. I'm sure there are many teams that would love to have Wall, but no one in their right mind is going to take on that 40 mil a year contract. And your right in that their not likely to throw in any 1st rd picks if the idea is to start over. Of Porter and Beal, most would argue that the most overpaid is Porter. That's from a stat perspective. My belief is that if Porter is the missing piece that gets you over the hump, then he's not overpaid. And I think that was the Wiz argument at the time.
If I'm the Wiz, I want to accomplish two things. Get out from under the cap, and acquire assets. Assets can be incoming young players or draft picks. They want to go from being a seller to being a buyer as quickly as possible. Not that easy of course. Something that might work to entice them would be a double dip where we take both Porter and Mahinmi off their hands. A trade of Shumpert, Randolph, Koufos and Jackson would work. We'd be stuck with Mahinmi's contract for one more year, Shumpert still has some rubber left on him, and maybe Jackson turns out to be serviceable in a year or two.
The Wiz would be unloading 42 mil in contracts. Hey, who knows, might be worth a shot.
Washington Wizards
Over Tax Line
$9,068,163
Cap Room
-$30,781,855
Z. Randolph
$11,692,308
I. Shumpert
$11,011,234
Kosta Koufos
$8,739,500
J. Jackson
$2,807,880
Acquiring 4 Players
$34,250,922
Sacramento Kings
Over Tax Line
-$32,721,869
Cap Room
$11,024,578
O. Porter Jr.
$26,011,913
Ian Mahinmi
$15,944,154
Acquiring 2 Players
$41,956,067
If I'm the Wiz, I want to accomplish two things. Get out from under the cap, and acquire assets. Assets can be incoming young players or draft picks. They want to go from being a seller to being a buyer as quickly as possible. Not that easy of course. Something that might work to entice them would be a double dip where we take both Porter and Mahinmi off their hands. A trade of Shumpert, Randolph, Koufos and Jackson would work. We'd be stuck with Mahinmi's contract for one more year, Shumpert still has some rubber left on him, and maybe Jackson turns out to be serviceable in a year or two.
The Wiz would be unloading 42 mil in contracts. Hey, who knows, might be worth a shot.
Washington Wizards
Over Tax Line
$9,068,163
Cap Room
-$30,781,855
Z. Randolph
$11,692,308
I. Shumpert
$11,011,234
Kosta Koufos
$8,739,500
J. Jackson
$2,807,880
Acquiring 4 Players
$34,250,922
Sacramento Kings
Over Tax Line
-$32,721,869
Cap Room
$11,024,578
O. Porter Jr.
$26,011,913
Ian Mahinmi
$15,944,154
Acquiring 2 Players
$41,956,067
Well the Wiz only have two top tradeable players and they're Beal and Porter. I'm sure there are many teams that would love to have Wall, but no one in their right mind is going to take on that 40 mil a year contract. And your right in that their not likely to throw in any 1st rd picks if the idea is to start over. Of Porter and Beal, most would argue that the most overpaid is Porter. That's from a stat perspective. My belief is that if Porter is the missing piece that gets you over the hump, then he's not overpaid. And I think that was the Wiz argument at the time.
If I'm the Wiz, I want to accomplish two things. Get out from under the cap, and acquire assets. Assets can be incoming young players or draft picks. They want to go from being a seller to being a buyer as quickly as possible. Not that easy of course. Something that might work to entice them would be a double dip where we take both Porter and Mahinmi off their hands. A trade of Shumpert, Randolph, Koufos and Jackson would work. We'd be stuck with Mahinmi's contract for one more year, Shumpert still has some rubber left on him, and maybe Jackson turns out to be serviceable in a year or two.
The Wiz would be unloading 42 mil in contracts. Hey, who knows, might be worth a shot.
Washington Wizards
Over Tax Line
$9,068,163
Cap Room
-$30,781,855
Z. Randolph
$11,692,308
I. Shumpert
$11,011,234
Kosta Koufos
$8,739,500
J. Jackson
$2,807,880
Acquiring 4 Players
$34,250,922
Sacramento Kings
Over Tax Line
-$32,721,869
Cap Room
$11,024,578
O. Porter Jr.
$26,011,913
Ian Mahinmi
$15,944,154
Acquiring 2 Players
$41,956,067
If I'm the Wiz, I want to accomplish two things. Get out from under the cap, and acquire assets. Assets can be incoming young players or draft picks. They want to go from being a seller to being a buyer as quickly as possible. Not that easy of course. Something that might work to entice them would be a double dip where we take both Porter and Mahinmi off their hands. A trade of Shumpert, Randolph, Koufos and Jackson would work. We'd be stuck with Mahinmi's contract for one more year, Shumpert still has some rubber left on him, and maybe Jackson turns out to be serviceable in a year or two.
The Wiz would be unloading 42 mil in contracts. Hey, who knows, might be worth a shot.
Washington Wizards
Over Tax Line
$9,068,163
Cap Room
-$30,781,855
Z. Randolph
$11,692,308
I. Shumpert
$11,011,234
Kosta Koufos
$8,739,500
J. Jackson
$2,807,880
Acquiring 4 Players
$34,250,922
Sacramento Kings
Over Tax Line
-$32,721,869
Cap Room
$11,024,578
O. Porter Jr.
$26,011,913
Ian Mahinmi
$15,944,154
Acquiring 2 Players
$41,956,067
I think it’s flawed to think they would have to take on a Mahinmi contract.
Well the Wiz only have two top tradeable players and they're Beal and Porter. I'm sure there are many teams that would love to have Wall, but no one in their right mind is going to take on that 40 mil a year contract. And your right in that their not likely to throw in any 1st rd picks if the idea is to start over. Of Porter and Beal, most would argue that the most overpaid is Porter. That's from a stat perspective. My belief is that if Porter is the missing piece that gets you over the hump, then he's not overpaid. And I think that was the Wiz argument at the time.
If I'm the Wiz, I want to accomplish two things. Get out from under the cap, and acquire assets. Assets can be incoming young players or draft picks. They want to go from being a seller to being a buyer as quickly as possible. Not that easy of course. Something that might work to entice them would be a double dip where we take both Porter and Mahinmi off their hands. A trade of Shumpert, Randolph, Koufos and Jackson would work. We'd be stuck with Mahinmi's contract for one more year, Shumpert still has some rubber left on him, and maybe Jackson turns out to be serviceable in a year or two.
The Wiz would be unloading 42 mil in contracts. Hey, who knows, might be worth a shot.
Washington Wizards
Over Tax Line
$9,068,163
Cap Room
-$30,781,855
Z. Randolph
$11,692,308
I. Shumpert
$11,011,234
Kosta Koufos
$8,739,500
J. Jackson
$2,807,880
Acquiring 4 Players
$34,250,922
Sacramento Kings
Over Tax Line
-$32,721,869
Cap Room
$11,024,578
O. Porter Jr.
$26,011,913
Ian Mahinmi
$15,944,154
Acquiring 2 Players
$41,956,067
If I'm the Wiz, I want to accomplish two things. Get out from under the cap, and acquire assets. Assets can be incoming young players or draft picks. They want to go from being a seller to being a buyer as quickly as possible. Not that easy of course. Something that might work to entice them would be a double dip where we take both Porter and Mahinmi off their hands. A trade of Shumpert, Randolph, Koufos and Jackson would work. We'd be stuck with Mahinmi's contract for one more year, Shumpert still has some rubber left on him, and maybe Jackson turns out to be serviceable in a year or two.
The Wiz would be unloading 42 mil in contracts. Hey, who knows, might be worth a shot.
Washington Wizards
Over Tax Line
$9,068,163
Cap Room
-$30,781,855
Z. Randolph
$11,692,308
I. Shumpert
$11,011,234
Kosta Koufos
$8,739,500
J. Jackson
$2,807,880
Acquiring 4 Players
$34,250,922
Sacramento Kings
Over Tax Line
-$32,721,869
Cap Room
$11,024,578
O. Porter Jr.
$26,011,913
Ian Mahinmi
$15,944,154
Acquiring 2 Players
$41,956,067
Don't trade anyone of value to get a SF. Get one in free agency after the season. Let the expirings expire. Continue winning and make the playoffs and do it in exciting fashion to put Sacramento on the map again. After a year of seeing whats what, keep the keepers and go get a SF with all the money and the good reputation that you built during the season.
Well, you could be right, but I think you might be missing one point, or underestimating it, and that is that the Kings can do what no other team can do, and that's get them out from under the luxury tax this season. The Wiz committed salaries are at 131 mil and the luxury tax for this year is at 123 mil. That puts them 8 mil over the luxury tax, and this is not the first year, so their at least into double that, maybe triple that. Sorry, I didn't look it up. Every other team may be able to offer a first rd pick, or perhaps a better player in return, but they can't get the Wiz out from under the tax, and the Kings can because of that 11 mil they have under the cap.
Maybe your right, and that may not be as important as I think it is. And maybe your right about what the Kings would have to throw in to get a deal done. But personally, I wouldn't do it. I'll take my chances this summer in free agency or perhaps a lesser trade before giving up a core player. I'll amend that by saying if that player I'm trading for is Kevin Durant, or Paul George, then I'll up the anti..
Maybe your right, and that may not be as important as I think it is. And maybe your right about what the Kings would have to throw in to get a deal done. But personally, I wouldn't do it. I'll take my chances this summer in free agency or perhaps a lesser trade before giving up a core player. I'll amend that by saying if that player I'm trading for is Kevin Durant, or Paul George, then I'll up the anti..
Fair enough. I was never fully aboard the Josh hype-train and Tatum was always higher on my board the whole season, which was actually unpopular at the time iirc. I'm always weary about these freshman who are way old for their class.... So many were convinced he was a better prospect than Wiggins, and I never saw that, big part is the shooting ... I actually think Josh is a bit of a dooshe, I remember watching him some game a few summers ago and he went ballistic on this ref and got tossed, and just the way he carried himself I remember thinking "he seems like an butthead" and this is not so not like Wiggins or most top ranked players..
As a general rule I refuse to be that guy who posts some crazy lopsided trade in favor of their team on a that teams forum, I'll only post a trade I can play devils advocate for, and to me Skal + our JJ for their JJ just seems like it's such a steep decline and sell-low for PHX that it doesn;t really make much sense for them. The idea is to exhange an asset they can put on the floor (harry) for one thats seemingly redundant.
tbh I kinda think PHX declines the trade with Giles I posted. What exactly is the onus for them to accept this trade? other than completely giving up on Josh, Why sell now?they need a PG.. Only thing I could come up with is Giles passing(and ability to play 4 and backup5, and a flier on our JJ and some filler /shrug. Giles just seems like a much better fit next to Ayton than Skal..
It's interesting though, could be catching a falling knife. I'm really on the fence about just how much risk a deal like this would incur, IDK how you could really argue it's high-risk, it's more like a year and a half rental, with a team option and then QO after that, its not like the clock isn't ticking similarly for JJ and Harry.......
Does Harry really project as a starter here with Willie and Marvin...? I think, ultimately, no. What if other teams want to pay him like a starter? we're gonna match? and then give Marvin a huge deal the very next summer?! after giving Willie a big deal this summer... something doesn;t add up.
As a general rule I refuse to be that guy who posts some crazy lopsided trade in favor of their team on a that teams forum, I'll only post a trade I can play devils advocate for, and to me Skal + our JJ for their JJ just seems like it's such a steep decline and sell-low for PHX that it doesn;t really make much sense for them. The idea is to exhange an asset they can put on the floor (harry) for one thats seemingly redundant.
tbh I kinda think PHX declines the trade with Giles I posted. What exactly is the onus for them to accept this trade? other than completely giving up on Josh, Why sell now?they need a PG.. Only thing I could come up with is Giles passing(and ability to play 4 and backup5, and a flier on our JJ and some filler /shrug. Giles just seems like a much better fit next to Ayton than Skal..
It's interesting though, could be catching a falling knife. I'm really on the fence about just how much risk a deal like this would incur, IDK how you could really argue it's high-risk, it's more like a year and a half rental, with a team option and then QO after that, its not like the clock isn't ticking similarly for JJ and Harry.......
Does Harry really project as a starter here with Willie and Marvin...? I think, ultimately, no. What if other teams want to pay him like a starter? we're gonna match? and then give Marvin a huge deal the very next summer?! after giving Willie a big deal this summer... something doesn;t add up.
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no, you're wrong about our record. we are 7-4 without him and 3-4 with him.
Games he played in:
11/21 vs. Jazz: W
11/19 VS. OKC: W
11/17 vs. HOU: L
11/16 VS. MEM: L
11/12 vs. SAN: W
11/10 vs. LAL: L
11/7 vs. TOR: L
You are miscounting. That is a 3-4 record with Bogdanovic.
He played in the Laker game. He sat out the Timberwolves game. So your entire w% gets thrown out the window.
Games he played in:
11/21 vs. Jazz: W
11/19 VS. OKC: W
11/17 vs. HOU: L
11/16 VS. MEM: L
11/12 vs. SAN: W
11/10 vs. LAL: L
11/7 vs. TOR: L
You are miscounting. That is a 3-4 record with Bogdanovic.
He played in the Laker game. He sat out the Timberwolves game. So your entire w% gets thrown out the window.
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Well the Wiz only have two top tradeable players and they're Beal and Porter. I'm sure there are many teams that would love to have Wall, but no one in their right mind is going to take on that 40 mil a year contract. And your right in that their not likely to throw in any 1st rd picks if the idea is to start over. Of Porter and Beal, most would argue that the most overpaid is Porter. That's from a stat perspective. My belief is that if Porter is the missing piece that gets you over the hump, then he's not overpaid. And I think that was the Wiz argument at the time.
If I'm the Wiz, I want to accomplish two things. Get out from under the cap, and acquire assets. Assets can be incoming young players or draft picks. They want to go from being a seller to being a buyer as quickly as possible. Not that easy of course. Something that might work to entice them would be a double dip where we take both Porter and Mahinmi off their hands. A trade of Shumpert, Randolph, Koufos and Jackson would work. We'd be stuck with Mahinmi's contract for one more year, Shumpert still has some rubber left on him, and maybe Jackson turns out to be serviceable in a year or two.
The Wiz would be unloading 42 mil in contracts. Hey, who knows, might be worth a shot.
Washington Wizards
Over Tax Line
$9,068,163
Cap Room
-$30,781,855
Z. Randolph
$11,692,308
I. Shumpert
$11,011,234
Kosta Koufos
$8,739,500
J. Jackson
$2,807,880
Acquiring 4 Players
$34,250,922
Sacramento Kings
Over Tax Line
-$32,721,869
Cap Room
$11,024,578
O. Porter Jr.
$26,011,913
Ian Mahinmi
$15,944,154
Acquiring 2 Players
$41,956,067
If I'm the Wiz, I want to accomplish two things. Get out from under the cap, and acquire assets. Assets can be incoming young players or draft picks. They want to go from being a seller to being a buyer as quickly as possible. Not that easy of course. Something that might work to entice them would be a double dip where we take both Porter and Mahinmi off their hands. A trade of Shumpert, Randolph, Koufos and Jackson would work. We'd be stuck with Mahinmi's contract for one more year, Shumpert still has some rubber left on him, and maybe Jackson turns out to be serviceable in a year or two.
The Wiz would be unloading 42 mil in contracts. Hey, who knows, might be worth a shot.
Washington Wizards
Over Tax Line
$9,068,163
Cap Room
-$30,781,855
Z. Randolph
$11,692,308
I. Shumpert
$11,011,234
Kosta Koufos
$8,739,500
J. Jackson
$2,807,880
Acquiring 4 Players
$34,250,922
Sacramento Kings
Over Tax Line
-$32,721,869
Cap Room
$11,024,578
O. Porter Jr.
$26,011,913
Ian Mahinmi
$15,944,154
Acquiring 2 Players
$41,956,067
I must admit, in spite of all WCS improvements on offense, I can't stand him watching opponents layups and dunks with hands down and not even trying to step closer. I'd rather keep KK next year for cheap and start Bagley.
I agree with you on everything except the possibly including Giles part.
No way would I include Giles in a trade at this point. I think he still has potential to be a high end starter in time. I would much rather throw in a couple of 2nd round picks OR both JJ and Skal (instead of just one of them). The rest of your post is spot on.
No way would I include Giles in a trade at this point. I think he still has potential to be a high end starter in time. I would much rather throw in a couple of 2nd round picks OR both JJ and Skal (instead of just one of them). The rest of your post is spot on.
Now you are making me pay attention to details. That can be painful . I guess there are different tiers of guys we could get. something like
Tobias Harris - Porter Money
Oubre - 2/3 Porter Money
Finney Smith - 1/3 Porter Money +.... ?
. I guess there are different tiers of guys we could get. something likeTobias Harris - Porter Money
Oubre - 2/3 Porter Money
Finney Smith - 1/3 Porter Money +.... ?
So there is no way on gods earth that I would pay Oubre 2/3's of what Porter is getting paid. At present, Porter is a far better player than Oubre, and I'm not sure that Oubre will ever be a good shooter. And the last thing I want is a player who is shooting under 30% from the three, chucking up over four three's a game. This is Oubre's fourth year in the league, and so far I haven't seen any significant improvement in his shooting. That scares me a bit.
I'm not saying I wouldn't be willing to take a flyer on Oubre, but he's not at the top of my list, and I wouldn't be willing to give much of value to get him. I doubt he's on the garage sale list if the Wiz are trying to trade porter. But who knows?
I think using a record a team had with or without a player to judge the value of that player to the team is flawed unless they played the same teams in the same circumstances. With Bogdan we lost the games against surging Houston and Lakers, locked in Memphis, red hot Toronto. If the 10 game stretch without Bogdan included those particular games instead of Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, would the Kings be 7-3? It is a stretch to say that they would have won lets say 2 of those 4 games if Bogdan did not play. The only teams that we played with and without Bogdan are Utah and OKC
we are 1-1 without Bogdan and 2-0 with Bogdan in those games.
we are 1-1 without Bogdan and 2-0 with Bogdan in those games.
Definitely agree that Oubre did make an impression on me in that game against us. The money I used includes a high amount of "Kings tax" and is an overpayment for sure. That's what I think we can go with a lower tier SF that is solid that will hit the open 3, play good defense, and not cost a lot like Finney-Smith. We don't need to trade a valuable piece like Bogdan or Buddy to get a jackpot SF.