Future of Vlade
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The statement was Vlade tried. I am being fair that I saw no evidence Vlade tried. I didn’t see him get on a plane and talk face to face with a single free agent. We cleared space to get free agents this year. I would have expected Vlade to be on the road talking with key players and agents. If you have evidence otherwise please share I will happily acknowledge it.
And yes we have struggled to sign top free agents but how many years have we signed no free agents? The article about Vlade’s dealings with the Hill trade was not complimentary at all. Vlade’s dealings with agents and other GM’s has not been highly thought of. Draftees are not giving medicals for a reason.
That being said if Vlade can draft well its more important. In that area the jury is still out. WCS has been Meh. 2016 was pretty bad with PappaG, but to me 2017 is telling. If Fox, Jackson and Giles don’t progress significantly this year, then it’s hard to make the case about Vlade’s ability to judge talent. If you go in to the draft with two top 10 picks in one of the better drafts ever and can’t get high end talent......
At that point how don’t see how you can make the case Vlade will help you be better.
And yes we have struggled to sign top free agents but how many years have we signed no free agents? The article about Vlade’s dealings with the Hill trade was not complimentary at all. Vlade’s dealings with agents and other GM’s has not been highly thought of. Draftees are not giving medicals for a reason.
That being said if Vlade can draft well its more important. In that area the jury is still out. WCS has been Meh. 2016 was pretty bad with PappaG, but to me 2017 is telling. If Fox, Jackson and Giles don’t progress significantly this year, then it’s hard to make the case about Vlade’s ability to judge talent. If you go in to the draft with two top 10 picks in one of the better drafts ever and can’t get high end talent......
At that point how don’t see how you can make the case Vlade will help you be better.
Did Vlade not make the 16 draft picks?! I don’t recall Vlade drafting Bogdan and we were talking about drafts. BTW no one has been more complimentary of Vlade getting Bogdan than me. But if the three 17 players don’t show real growth/potential this year, I don’t keep Vlade around for another summer.
Well Geoff did get Vlade to come to Sacto
Vlade
Brad Miller
Bobby Jackson
Beno Udrich
Darren Collison
Rondo
Hill
Now that I said Vlade should have gotten the team some help in this free agent market suddenly the Kings have never signed anyone.
Yeah in another thread she got indignant when I said the Kings couldn’t sign free agents and listed:
Vlade
Brad Miller
Bobby Jackson
Beno Udrich
Darren Collison
Rondo
Hill
Now that I said Vlade should have gotten the team some help in this free agent market suddenly the Kings have never signed anyone.
Vlade
Brad Miller
Bobby Jackson
Beno Udrich
Darren Collison
Rondo
Hill
Now that I said Vlade should have gotten the team some help in this free agent market suddenly the Kings have never signed anyone.
You really want me to dig through and find it? It had almost exactly the same tone as the post I responded to. Indignant might be too strong a word as I struggled to find the right word but it was basically the same sentiment in 180 degrees different direction.
But hey I’ve been married for 30 years so no problem
But hey I’ve been married for 30 years so no problem
The idea of the thread is somewhat quick to judgement but I don't believe the poll question is an unfair one. I would agree Vlade Divac is probably not the front office executive if the young players do not improve this season.
To me, regardless of wins and losses, we should be able to identify 4/5 of a starting core that could be a perennial playoff team. What helps him before this season even starts is that I believe at least three of those players are on this team. Fox bogdanovich and Buddy have shown more than just flashes of long-term solid starter and potential All-Star Talent. Giles, Bagley, and maybe even one of Willie or Skal, could be the fourth or maybe even the fifth player. we will certainly see but I certainly believe the Kings need at least one more very good player to be a deep playoff team. if nothing else to shore up the bench.
Vlade Divac is taking some chances and I believe has had hits and misses. Certainly it seems as if he missed on Papa, Hill, and Malachi. I believe he hit on Fox, buddy, bogdanovich, Giles, Bagley, and Vince Carter signing. I believe he made a wise move when he hired that front office executive that ultimately went to the Knicks. and depending upon how he works with the young Talent this season, I believe he got it right with the head coach as well
go Vlade Divac and go Kings!
To me, regardless of wins and losses, we should be able to identify 4/5 of a starting core that could be a perennial playoff team. What helps him before this season even starts is that I believe at least three of those players are on this team. Fox bogdanovich and Buddy have shown more than just flashes of long-term solid starter and potential All-Star Talent. Giles, Bagley, and maybe even one of Willie or Skal, could be the fourth or maybe even the fifth player. we will certainly see but I certainly believe the Kings need at least one more very good player to be a deep playoff team. if nothing else to shore up the bench.
Vlade Divac is taking some chances and I believe has had hits and misses. Certainly it seems as if he missed on Papa, Hill, and Malachi. I believe he hit on Fox, buddy, bogdanovich, Giles, Bagley, and Vince Carter signing. I believe he made a wise move when he hired that front office executive that ultimately went to the Knicks. and depending upon how he works with the young Talent this season, I believe he got it right with the head coach as well
go Vlade Divac and go Kings!
Taken as a whole, those misses are pretty minor given we didn't bet the farm and miss out on an exceptional talent. Two of those moves came in a weak draft and the third was widely regarded as a can't miss/great signing at the time. I am hopeful we look back and say we got it right with Bags, but that's really the only other question mark I have right now.
Yeah, the loss of next year's pick stings but I am hopeful we can make it a late lotto pick not a top 5 pick and that will hurt a lot less. But even that is hardly the Brooklyn Nets level of stupid that many of the naysayers make it out to be. I'd still rather have Vlade than what I'm seeing here in Portland with Olshey.
Yeah, the loss of next year's pick stings but I am hopeful we can make it a late lotto pick not a top 5 pick and that will hurt a lot less. But even that is hardly the Brooklyn Nets level of stupid that many of the naysayers make it out to be. I'd still rather have Vlade than what I'm seeing here in Portland with Olshey.
Yeah the 2016 draft being a weak one certainly helps his case especially when you consider he came out with one of the better players.
The George Hill meltdown of talent certainly shocks me. It really helps Vlade's case that he stunk it up in Cleveland with LeBron as well.
I seem to remember a few people jumping all over him for getting rid of Malachi but even right now he would probably be the fifth or sixth guard on the team. Why not let him go to Toronto and see what he can do?
The George Hill meltdown of talent certainly shocks me. It really helps Vlade's case that he stunk it up in Cleveland with LeBron as well.
I seem to remember a few people jumping all over him for getting rid of Malachi but even right now he would probably be the fifth or sixth guard on the team. Why not let him go to Toronto and see what he can do?
Here's a mindblowing thing I just came across. Look at the top prospects we were able to bring out under each GM. Pete D. vs Vlade
Look at Pete D in 2013 when we picked #7
- CJ McCollum
- Cody Zeller
- Steven Adams
- Trey Burke
- Michael Carter Williams
- Shabazz Muhammad
- Archie Goodwin
- Tony Snell
2014 when we picked #8
- Marcus Smart
- Elfrid Payton
- Noah Vonleh
- Zach LaVine
- Rodney Hood
- Tyler Ennis
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Look at Vlade in 2015 when we picked #5:
- Willie Cauely-Stein
- Frank Kaminsky
- Cameron Payne
2016, we picked #8
- Wade Baldwin IV
2017, we picked #5 and #10
- DeAaron Fox
- Zach Collins
- Donovan Mitchell
- Justin Jackson
2018, we picked #2
- Marvin Bagley
- Wendall Carter Jr
This is clearly a Vlade trend!!!!!! He has negatively impacted our team! There's a freaking myth out there about draft prospects refusing to come to Sacramento because it's Sacramento. NO, it's because of Vlade. We have never had a history of struggling to bring in draft prospects. FFS, "the gerbil" was able to bring in more talent to Sacramento than Vlade has!
Look at Pete D in 2013 when we picked #7
- CJ McCollum
- Cody Zeller
- Steven Adams
- Trey Burke
- Michael Carter Williams
- Shabazz Muhammad
- Archie Goodwin
- Tony Snell
2014 when we picked #8
- Marcus Smart
- Elfrid Payton
- Noah Vonleh
- Zach LaVine
- Rodney Hood
- Tyler Ennis
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Look at Vlade in 2015 when we picked #5:
- Willie Cauely-Stein
- Frank Kaminsky
- Cameron Payne
2016, we picked #8
- Wade Baldwin IV
2017, we picked #5 and #10
- DeAaron Fox
- Zach Collins
- Donovan Mitchell
- Justin Jackson
2018, we picked #2
- Marvin Bagley
- Wendall Carter Jr
This is clearly a Vlade trend!!!!!! He has negatively impacted our team! There's a freaking myth out there about draft prospects refusing to come to Sacramento because it's Sacramento. NO, it's because of Vlade. We have never had a history of struggling to bring in draft prospects. FFS, "the gerbil" was able to bring in more talent to Sacramento than Vlade has!
No, it's not anymore selective than previous years. Of course draft prospects are going to steer away from certain team, but it's a complete myth that players are doing less pre-draft workouts. Look at this year alone:
1. Suns:
- Ayton
- Bagley
- Jackson Jr
- Bamba
3. Hawks:
- Bagley
- Jackson Jr
- Young
- Bamba
4. Memphis: (they're dysfunctional, fun fact JJJ didn't even give the team his medicals until draft day when he realized they were going to select him no matter what)
- Carter Jr
5. Mavericks:
- Jackson Jr
- Bamba
- Carter Jr
6. Orlando:
- Young
- Carter Jr
- Knox
- Sexton
7. Chicago:
- Bamba
- Carter Jr
- Young
- Knox
- Bridges
- Bridges
- Walker IV
8. Cleveland:
- Carter Jr
- Young
- Knox
- Sexton
- Bridges
9. Knicks:
- WCJ
- Young
- Knox
- Sexton
- Bridges
- Bridges
- Walker IV
1. Suns:
- Ayton
- Bagley
- Jackson Jr
- Bamba
3. Hawks:
- Bagley
- Jackson Jr
- Young
- Bamba
4. Memphis: (they're dysfunctional, fun fact JJJ didn't even give the team his medicals until draft day when he realized they were going to select him no matter what)
- Carter Jr
5. Mavericks:
- Jackson Jr
- Bamba
- Carter Jr
6. Orlando:
- Young
- Carter Jr
- Knox
- Sexton
7. Chicago:
- Bamba
- Carter Jr
- Young
- Knox
- Bridges
- Bridges
- Walker IV
8. Cleveland:
- Carter Jr
- Young
- Knox
- Sexton
- Bridges
9. Knicks:
- WCJ
- Young
- Knox
- Sexton
- Bridges
- Bridges
- Walker IV
Fox, Buddy, Bogdan, Giles, Bagley that’s enough young talent that he gets a pass no matter what this year. He’s done a good job Joerger is who I’d move before Vlade, we have to give Vlade players time to develop. If in 2 years the young players don’t look promising than fire him.
My only problem and complaint with him is Doncic
My only problem and complaint with him is Doncic
No. I didn't say that, my point is that when I watch those individuals play I don't have red flags going off in my head like watching T. Robinson play for example. Fox is a freakin gamer he loves to compete the rest will fall in place with time. Justin too I can tell he's always been very well coached he just needs the burn time.
Well then....that settles it. If there was a redraft on the internet.
By the way, of course I don’t know your feelings on Fox when he was drafted, but he was OVERWELMINLY the fan favorite at 5. So much so that people were absolutely giddy when the Celtics stupidly picked Tatum at 3. Cheers erupted when Jackson went 4. I can certainly see the second guessing over passing on Docic over Bagley because we have fox on the roster, but seems pretty tough to give Vlade crap over drafting Fox at the time.
By the way, of course I don’t know your feelings on Fox when he was drafted, but he was OVERWELMINLY the fan favorite at 5. So much so that people were absolutely giddy when the Celtics stupidly picked Tatum at 3. Cheers erupted when Jackson went 4. I can certainly see the second guessing over passing on Docic over Bagley because we have fox on the roster, but seems pretty tough to give Vlade crap over drafting Fox at the time.
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