Future of Vlade
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He removed two cancerous locker room presences. He never said it was about cap space. And he didn't make any signings that would not match our goals. The reason we struck out on Hezonja was because he wouldn't sign a multi-year deal He is playing for a pay day. If you don't see why that kind of player is against everything we want, then I think you're the one not getting it. The only other player we really were linked to officially was Lavine and he really wanted to come to Sac and play. Said so himself. Think about that, a player wanted to be in Sacramento instead of Chicago.
I don't know why anyone would defend Vlade to death. We should not be giving him leeway room just because he was a former beloved player. If his name wasn't Vlade Divac, everyone would call for him to be fired already.
Yes Vlade has done some good, but he's done much worse so far. I find it funny people were saying that this previous year was the time things changed, yet we gave out Hill $20million only to luckily partially dump him 1/2year later to a desperate Cavs team. We gave ZBo $12million for 2yrs. We waived the #13 pick on our team just 1yr after drafting him AND picking up his team option for the next year. We basically cut our #22 pick from that previous year. WE ALSO FIRED OUR DIRECTOR OF SCOUTING 3/4 WAY INTO THIS SEASON. Not much has changed. Top prospects also didn't want to work out for us. Even Doncic didn't give us his medicals.
You do realize that the only reason why we don't have any terrible contracts is because those FAs signed elsewhere right? We swung and struck out on Wes Matthews. We swung and struck on Danny Green. We swung and struck out on Monta Ellis. We swung and struck out on Allen Crabbe.
Yes Vlade has done some good, but he's done much worse so far. I find it funny people were saying that this previous year was the time things changed, yet we gave out Hill $20million only to luckily partially dump him 1/2year later to a desperate Cavs team. We gave ZBo $12million for 2yrs. We waived the #13 pick on our team just 1yr after drafting him AND picking up his team option for the next year. We basically cut our #22 pick from that previous year. WE ALSO FIRED OUR DIRECTOR OF SCOUTING 3/4 WAY INTO THIS SEASON. Not much has changed. Top prospects also didn't want to work out for us. Even Doncic didn't give us his medicals.
You do realize that the only reason why we don't have any terrible contracts is because those FAs signed elsewhere right? We swung and struck out on Wes Matthews. We swung and struck on Danny Green. We swung and struck out on Monta Ellis. We swung and struck out on Allen Crabbe.
Deal in what we have on the roster. The goal was to have cap room going into next year. That is going to happen at this point. That is called executing a plan. You are combining an era when we were trying to get into the playoffs with Cousins and an era when we are clearly trying to build up through the draft. These are two different plans. I think all can agree that getting the team to the playoffs with Cousins was a fail. So did the organization and they started over. And to point, it’s going ok. It might be great if Fox, Bagley and Giles are our versions of our big 3. Only time will tell and that is the biggest problem people seem to have. Have a realistic timeline for this group.....or not.
I'm impressed with what he's done since the Cousins trade. Which I hated at the time. Obviously we need a tangible improvement from last season to this, I think a 10 win improvement is realistic. We still won't make the playoffs but we might be exciting enough to attract some talent if they see we're heading the right direction. We'll be competing with a lot of teams but the really good ones won't have space. There will be options. I think with the exception of LeBron who wasn't going to come to Sacramento and a few other superstars that stayed with their team this was a weak free agent year anyways.
I've heard of this plan but to me a good plan doesnt include the team playing bad style of basketball. You know what Fox is as a player, he will not prosper by running horns sets on clogged floor. I have no idea how it will benefit him as a player when he hopefully never has to actually play in a system like that. But as I've been saying, hes got the team playing hard so I'm willing to give him another year to show he can adapt and run an efficent offense. If he can, great. If not, someone else can.
And please tell me what is this my "unrealistic timeline" and what does it have to do with anything? On previous posts I talked a little about Joeger and his style. The same identical style he played with in Memphis, the same he didnt adjust to fit our personell or the overall evolution of the league. What is this "timeline" and what it has to do with Joegers style of play?
It must not be a good plan if it includes having 24million worth of unplayable and untradeable salary in your books without even getting assets on wasting that amount of cap. If that is the plan, then the plan is wrong. That 24million of dead cap through two years could've been used to get an additional 1st rounder. Ending up just wasting 24mil on negative assets is just horrible
And please tell me what is this my "unrealistic timeline" and what does it have to do with anything? On previous posts I talked a little about Joeger and his style. The same identical style he played with in Memphis, the same he didnt adjust to fit our personell or the overall evolution of the league. What is this "timeline" and what it has to do with Joegers style of play?
It must not be a good plan if it includes having 24million worth of unplayable and untradeable salary in your books without even getting assets on wasting that amount of cap. If that is the plan, then the plan is wrong. That 24million of dead cap through two years could've been used to get an additional 1st rounder. Ending up just wasting 24mil on negative assets is just horrible
Oh I think as I’ve mentioned in my previous post, too many are mixing different era’s when it comes to Vlade and Joerger. I am a Boogie fan and didn’t want to see him go but the fact is that what they were trying to do, which is get into playoffs, was a mess. They have switched gears and I see, in a short time, an increase in overall potential, obviously if that potential fails it’s a disaster.....but I also see this coaching staff developing our younger players. A young team needs time.
The plan has been to have cap space the following year. Is that going to happen? You know it is, you just don’t want to admit it. They said it from the start. Guys were brought in to help mentor and then have cap space. It’s a team full of nice young talent. Go ahead and be frustrated. I’m excited for what’s going on.
And as I've said, instead of using that cap space to gain an additional 1st rounder(s), they spent all of it on "mentors". Tolliver mentors for minimum, Vlade paid 24mil to Zbo, 19/year to Hill ect. Thats opportunity cost. The opportunity was a 1st rounder and we missed it. I've said this three times now. We have space for next year but cap space is valuable every year and we utlized it poorly last year
at this moment Kings do not have wins, do not have big market, do not have even an all star player (although in past you saw that even that doesn't matter) and do not have players who can attract others by being close to tham as all of them are too young and under contract now.. so only way to make good FA is to overpay him as hell and in that case that would be too big of a gamble..
only player that could come to Kings now is Capela as he has some connections with Buddy and Bogdan, so he understands what Kings are and if they give him big contract, Rockets might not match it.. but in that case first WCS needs to go out and some SF needs to come..
Kings can attract players only by creating positive culture and then drafting ones that want to play here and then in a few years they might have chance at some of top FA.. and I always mention this, Vlade's biggest mistake so far is that he wasted draftpicks on trying to win with Cousins.. if he cut it at the begining picks would stay and Cousins value would be better than at the moment of a trade..
only other thing you could put him as a mistake is drafting Doncic, as he would fit in a whole at SF and then you could try to get Capela.. but to see was this mistake we will need to wait 4-5 years..
if you have problems with him not getting Hezonja, LaVine and Parker, you are basicaly having problem that he didn't max them for 4 years or at least in Hezonja case offer him 12+ milions.. in my opinion it would be too much and there will be better and less risky players in future, just have to wait..
atmosphere in a team is good, around a club is good, no drama, Joerger is a coach for third consecutive season, plenty of young talent, no bad contracts.. for a team that has a history as Kings have I think this is a step in a good direction..
only player that could come to Kings now is Capela as he has some connections with Buddy and Bogdan, so he understands what Kings are and if they give him big contract, Rockets might not match it.. but in that case first WCS needs to go out and some SF needs to come..
Kings can attract players only by creating positive culture and then drafting ones that want to play here and then in a few years they might have chance at some of top FA.. and I always mention this, Vlade's biggest mistake so far is that he wasted draftpicks on trying to win with Cousins.. if he cut it at the begining picks would stay and Cousins value would be better than at the moment of a trade..
only other thing you could put him as a mistake is drafting Doncic, as he would fit in a whole at SF and then you could try to get Capela.. but to see was this mistake we will need to wait 4-5 years..
if you have problems with him not getting Hezonja, LaVine and Parker, you are basicaly having problem that he didn't max them for 4 years or at least in Hezonja case offer him 12+ milions.. in my opinion it would be too much and there will be better and less risky players in future, just have to wait..
atmosphere in a team is good, around a club is good, no drama, Joerger is a coach for third consecutive season, plenty of young talent, no bad contracts.. for a team that has a history as Kings have I think this is a step in a good direction..
Kings have never had good luck with free agency.
Doesn't help that the franchise's reputation is arguably the worst in the league.
I'm far from impressed with Vlade as GM, but that opinion can change real fast if Fox, Bagley, and Giles develop like we all hope they will. He's thrown together a very intriguing core. Gotta see how the kids look before we call for his head.
Doesn't help that the franchise's reputation is arguably the worst in the league.
I'm far from impressed with Vlade as GM, but that opinion can change real fast if Fox, Bagley, and Giles develop like we all hope they will. He's thrown together a very intriguing core. Gotta see how the kids look before we call for his head.
Yep, I don’t agree with you at all. They said they wanted these vets to help build and show the youngsters how to be professionals and to change the mindset in this organization. You may not agree with this but it’s hard to put into monetary worth except I believe having Temple, Carter, Zbo has been invaluable.
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