Mo Bamba

Bamba is definitely ahead of Gobert at the same age, but so are a whole bunch of players. It doesn't mean they're going to be able to hit that ceiling that Gobert hit. I like Bamba but I don't think his skill set is worth the #2 pick and it's not going to lead this team to the playoffs without a bunch of other players getting a lot better at the same time. When drafting this high, you really want someone who can carry the team on their back.
 

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Grant's career has been built on bombast. And actually I think he rode the tails of Jerry, since Jerry had that folksy charm and better insights. It was weird all the way to the end Grant would laugh inordinately to something not all that funny. Jerry would drop this off-hand comment and it would be like he was at the high point of a Chris Rock concert. What are you laughing so hard at Howdy Doody!? Well, this is a strategy of an empty headed person to fill air time and convey this jovial spirit, which is really just pretense. Grant became like a teacher as part of a teacher union. Not really good at her job, the students are bored and can't wait for the bell to ring, but the employee has tenure so she sticks around collecting them checks. In 28 years or whatever his crowing achievement was "Put it in the book and send him to the line" and "Ohhhh boy.....!!!!" It will go on his tombstone. The play-by-play man really is suppose to speak sparsely and show enthusiasm at the appropriate time. So in a way this simple job description suits a simple person! Over the years I have found that muting the sound on all NBA games actually helps you pick up more of what is happening on the floor, because you are not distracted by someone's running commentary and affectation. In the same way you learn a lot more about teams and players when you are in the front row of a game versus watching on TV. What was my point? So yeah a guy who advocates Kuzma for the #2 and laughs uncontrollably at mildly amusing comments is a guy you may want to mute for more than one reason.
1. Truer words have never been spoken/typed.

2. In a perfect world, we'd be able to listen to a perfectly synched Gary Gerould while we watched the game.
 

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Lol u never even saw or heard of Rudy Gobert at the same age.Rudy born in 92 went in the 2013 draft. Did u see the batum video i posted? He knows Rudy a long time and says Mo is 3 years ahead. No offense but i prefer opinions of those on ground level like that over random forum posters who dont even make eloquent arguments or astute points.

"onlything elite about him is wingspan" u dont get it at all lol. Ppl here need huge refreshers on the basics. It's like ppl here take the perspective of "he's got most everyone else fooled but not me ---- I can spot a lemon a mile away, ima kings fan ive seen lemons in all shapes and sizes" if that how u feel, fine. My gripe is just about how silly and far fetched the explanations of these stances are. I feel its one of those "the devil is in the details" things when ppl are explaining WHY
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Ppl here saying offensive things bout some hardworking teenage kids that arent even remotely true. I find that offensive. They turn this to a matter of politics and mudslinging, i came here to talk one and only thing - Kings basketball, they cant hang on that topic so they deflect and get personal then repeat themselves.

Mo has no redeeming qualities other than his wingspan LOL am i really a jerk for calling that an oversimplification? So be it, i'll bite that bullet with a smile..

Often ppl don't like hearing the truth, it happens, it's common, not a big deal.
 
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Ppl here saying offensive things bout some hardworking teenage kids that arent even remotely true. I find that offensive. They turn this to a matter of politics and mudslinging, i came here to talk one and only thing - Kings basketball, they cant hang on that topic so they deflect and get personal then repeat themselves.

Mo has no redeeming qualities other than his wingspan LOL am i really a jerk for calling that an oversimplification? So be it, i'll bite that bullet with a smile..

Often ppl don't like hearing the truth, it happens, it's common, not a big deal.

We don't care what you do or don't find offensive. What we do care about is that you follow the rules JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MEMBER OF THIS FORUM. This is your last warning.
 
Bamba is definitely ahead of Gobert at the same age, but so are a whole bunch of players. It doesn't mean they're going to be able to hit that ceiling that Gobert hit. I like Bamba but I don't think his skill set is worth the #2 pick and it's not going to lead this team to the playoffs without a bunch of other players getting a lot better at the same time. When drafting this high, you really want someone who can carry the team on their back.
You can't force it though, if that guy isn't there you pick the best player available. Plus, bamba might very well be able to put a team on his back defensively... While contributing more than Gobert does on offense too. That's nothing to sneeze at with the second pick.
 
You can't force it though, if that guy isn't there you pick the best player available. Plus, bamba might very well be able to put a team on his back defensively... While contributing more than Gobert does on offense too. That's nothing to sneeze at with the second pick.
That's the beauty of having the 2nd pick. You don't have to force it.
 
1. Truer words have never been spoken/typed.

2. In a perfect world, we'd be able to listen to a perfectly synched Gary Gerould while we watched the game.
As said before, I wish they'd swap G-Man to TV and Peaches to radio as they once did in the 90's. G-Man is by far the best PbP announcer the Kings have ever had in Sacramento and he should be on the TV broadcasts for all to enjoy. Hell, they should simulcast him like LA did with Vin Scully and Chick Hearn.

I do like Jerry Reynolds a lot, but my biggest peeve with Peaches and Jerry is all the fawning they did over the opposition. Made me want to vomit day-glo all the time. It's no wonder why the two of them always rated so highly among other teams fans. Unlike most homer broadcasts, these guys actually praised the opponent more than the home team.

Also, Peaches penchant for beating dead horses, always jinxing the Kings with his "you can't allow a 3 here" statement, and bringing his own personal agendas on air always rubbed me the wrong way. Don't get me wrong, there are things I like about his style -- as I love his enthusiasm when the Kings go on run or make an other worldly play -- but G-Man is so much more professional and does a better job describing the action.

Anyway, sorry to get off topic :)
 
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As said before, I wish they'd swap G-Man to TV and Peaches to radio as they once did in the 90's. G-Man is by far the best PbP announcer the Kings have ever had in Sacramento and he should be on the TV broadcasts for all to enjoy. Hell, they should simulcast him like LA did with Vin Scully and Chick Hearn.

I do like Jerry Reynolds a lot, but my biggest peeve with Peaches and Jerry is all the fawning they did over the opposition. Made me want to vomit day-glo all the time. It's no wonder why the two of them always rated so highly among other teams fans. Unlike most homer broadcasts, these guys actually praised the opponent more than the home team.

Also, Peaches penchant for beating dead horses, always jinxing the Kings with his "you can't allow a 3 here" statement, and bringing his own personal agendas on air always rubbed me the wrong way. Don't get me wrong, there are things I like about his style -- as I love his enthusiasm when the Kings go on run or make an other worldly play -- but G-Man is so much more professional and does a better job describing the action.

Anyway, sorry to get off topic :)
1. Gary G. doesn't want TV from what I've heard. He loves being the voice of the Kings.

2. Well, that's a visual I won't soon forget. :p
 

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I think it's clear now that the people managing Bamba and Jackson Jr have been steering them away from the Kings.

Vlade both wants to see a guy workout and seems to want guys that want to be in Sacramento (or at least not against being in Sacramento) and this is likely why Bamba and JJJ haven't been rumored to the Kings.

And given that the Kings went to see Carter Jr's workout as well as Porter Jr, I think it's safe to say that they would have done so for Bamba or Jackson and that they almost certainly requested a private workout.

It's a shame because I like both of those prospects but Sacramento will never draw players as a city so the Kings are left with rebuilding their reputation as a basketball team to have hope of drawing free agents and getting well regarded players to workout for them.
 
Yeah really a bummer as jjj is my favorite prospect in this draft. I really think he has a chance to be a star level talent in the NBA. I thought about the possibility of the Kings shocking the world and drafting him in spite of him declining to workout for us. The problem is if he doesn't want to be here in the beginning he might not want to be here in four years when it's time to resign him. Too big a risk to take I'm guessing.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Bamba allegedly won't work out for Memphis either. Look, it's entirely possible that guys are refusing to work out for two of the top 4 teams and shoot their chances of being dropped from the top 5 and the money that comes with it. There's roughly a 500k annual difference between each pick in the top 3 and it only goes down from there. That's 2 million guaranteed for each spot up in the top 3 over the life of the one guaranteed contract they are going to get.

So yeah maybe they forgo that but it's also highly possible that they are controlling the narrative saying they won't rather than they weren't asked.
 
Bamba allegedly won't work out for Memphis either. Look, it's entirely possible that guys are refusing to work out for two of the top 4 teams and shoot their chances of being dropped from the top 5 and the money that comes with it. There's roughly a 500k annual difference between each pick in the top 3 and it only goes down from there. That's 2 million guaranteed for each spot up in the top 3 over the life of the one guaranteed contract they are going to get.

So yeah maybe they forgo that but it's also highly possible that they are controlling the narrative saying they won't rather than they weren't asked.
No way they weren't asked
 
I think it's clear now that the people managing Bamba and Jackson Jr have been steering them away from the Kings.

Vlade both wants to see a guy workout and seems to want guys that want to be in Sacramento (or at least not against being in Sacramento) and this is likely why Bamba and JJJ haven't been rumored to the Kings.

And given that the Kings went to see Carter Jr's workout as well as Porter Jr, I think it's safe to say that they would have done so for Bamba or Jackson and that they almost certainly requested a private workout.

It's a shame because I like both of those prospects but Sacramento will never draw players as a city so the Kings are left with rebuilding their reputation as a basketball team to have hope of drawing free agents and getting well regarded players to workout for them.
If those guys are stone walling the Kings, then so be it. There are better prospects than them at #2 of this draft anyways.

I would want guys that are open to the city and building something special here, otherwise they will have one foot out the door the day after the draft.

We don't need any divas on the team. Good luck to them on a team like Orlando and the Knicks.

I'm good with choosing between Doncic or Bagley (or even MPJ) at #2.
 
No, I think he's a top five pick either way. But yeah, he's leaving money on the table for sure by not competing for the 2nd spot.
That's why I can't stand the diva like attitude that these guys come out of the draft with. These teams let these players and agents have so much leverage over them. What happened to the days of actually putting the work in? You know, flying to the city, meeting the front office, interviewing for the job and working out for the coaches? Those days are long gone for the top picks. They essentially run things and the teams let them do it because they are too scared to make a stand.
 

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That's why I can't stand the diva like attitude that these guys come out of the draft with. These teams let these players and agents have so much leverage over them. What happened to the days of actually putting the work in? You know, flying to the city, meeting the front office, interviewing for the job and working out for the coaches? Those days are long gone for the top picks. They essentially run things and the teams let them do it because they are too scared to make a stand.
You couldn't of said it any better. There should be absolutely no way a rookie should have any say on where he gets to play, if he doesn't want to play there, suck it up and leave when free agency comes. These prospects are getting worse by the year with their attitudes and not appreciating the opportunity. It's the new way of thinking among millennials I suppose.
 
If Bamba or JJJ or even Doncic do not want to be here. Then I do not want them here. Sacramento does not have to kiss any players a$$. They have proven nothing at this point and if they want to be prima donnas well then go do it somewhere else. If this is true. I hope Bamba freefalls in the draft. Some times players are better somewhere else. We have a nice close knit team. It only takes one malcontent to screw up the chemistry
 

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You couldn't of said it any better. There should be absolutely no way a rookie should have any say on where he gets to play, if he doesn't want to play there, suck it up and leave when free agency comes. These prospects are getting worse by the year with their attitudes and not appreciating the opportunity. It's the new way of thinking among millennials I suppose.
This isn't anything new. For example, John Elway forced a trade from the Colts after being selected #1 overall all the way back in 1983.
 
Then I do not want them here. Sacramento does not have to kiss any players a$$.
Well yeah, but a GM's job is to evoke confidence and inspiration and create environment that players want to be part of. Vlade and to lesser degree slow-mo coach Joerger and the over-involved owner have failed. We have a beautiful arena, a state of art training facility, passionate fans, a few core pieces with high character. We got rid of the bad apple too. What we lack is a decision maker that agents think is capable of constructing a winner. Bad trades, bad free agents create losing which will create turnover which create chaos and instability. This is what agents want to keep their clients away from prospectively. This perception of the Kings as floundering on road to nowhere is justified. There are signs of a reversal but so far they are only signs. It is this negative perception that keeps players away. Vlade has perpetuated the image of this franchise as dysfunctional. It is hard to dispute. I don't blame Bamba or JJJ for not wanting to come to town. I blame our GM.
 
Well yeah, but a GM's job is to evoke confidence and inspiration and create environment that players want to be part of. Vlade and to lesser degree slow-mo coach Joerger and the over-involved owner have failed. We have a beautiful arena, a state of art training facility, passionate fans, a few core pieces with high character. We got rid of the bad apple too. What we lack is a decision maker that agents think is capable of constructing a winner. Bad trades, bad free agents create losing which will create turnover which create chaos and instability. This is what agents want to keep their clients away from prospectively. This perception of the Kings as floundering on road to nowhere is justified. There are signs of a reversal but so far they are only signs. It is this negative perception that keeps players away. Vlade has perpetuated the image of this franchise as dysfunctional. It is hard to dispute. I don't blame Bamba or JJJ for not wanting to come to town. I blame our GM.
While parts of what you say are true. It is more than that. If the agent does not see the advantage of his player coming to a team like Sacramento. Where we have young talent . A good coach and tons of salary cap space. Well then they do not have confidence in there player living up to what a second pick in the draft should be. You can't blame everything on Vlade. MPJ and Bagley both seem like they want to come here. We have the same GM for them as for the other players. The guys who don't want to come here are divas, We don't need them.
 
The guys who don't want to come here are divas, We don't need them.
I can't speak to JJJ but Bamba is not a diva. Listen to his interview when he was with the Suns I think you will come to this conclusion. Players declining to come here because they are not confident to live up to the pressure of being the #2 pick is also a false statement. These guys are confident, though in the case of MPJ I think it is a fake confidence. The agents are calling the shots. It is their perception of the organization that is driving force. Some agents are more receptive to an invitation seeing the Kings are sort of turning a corner (dumping Boogie, bringing in high character guys) even though the record has not reflected it yet. Then there are agents more resistant primarily because of the man in charge. I think it would be in the best interest for Bamba and JJJ to give the Kings a chance, but I don't blame the agents for staying away.
 

pdxKingsFan

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The thing is, the one top prospect we know came to Sacramento left impressed and wants to play here. It's definitely between Bagley and Doncic at this point (which is why Porter is suddenly desperate to work out for teams).

Some of you are tainted by your own negative energies and the strange new-world of sports journalism that you'll never see this org doing good.

I think Bamba is very well spoken and a smart guy. I also don't think this team is looking for a big man. All I hear about is this greatest big man draft and the resurgence of the big man and yet I look at the landscape of the league I don't see it. One of these bigs is going to fall down to the 7-8 spot behind Young and Porter. And they're either going to have egg on their face because they didn't work out for teams or they weren't getting called to work out for teams.