If you've reached a point where the only criticism you can make about a guy is to question his ceiling, that seems like a good reason to pick that player to me. Teams swing and miss all the time chasing high-ceiling players while future "role-players" like Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, Devin Booker and so many others slide down the draft because they were seen as having limited ceilings. Often you hit a homerun when you're just trying to make solid contact and when you swing the fences you strike out. Wrong sport but I think that analogy applies here.
Luka Doncic (pre and post-draft discussion thread)
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I have no concerns in regards to posters hinting that we're going to have too many people that need the ball in their hands. First off...NEED the ball in their hands? I think that is a little extreme. We have players who are effective with the ball in their hands, but let's not pretend like their chop liver playing off the ball.
It sounds to me that some people seem to think that you should have one ball handler/playmaker and the rest should be spacing the floor and playing defense. That's not a bad team, but that's not going to be an elite team at the end of the day. Having multiple ball handlers & playmakers makes it all the more challenging for a defense to recover once it is broken down. For the sake of argument, if you have a lineup of...
PG - Beverley
SG - Harden
SF - Ariza
PF - Anderson
C - Capela
...and you have Harden running the show. Let's pretend he does break down the defense initially but the defense recovers and Ariza is squared up on with the ball in his hands. The Rockets typically try to reset it by getting the ball back to Harden which means they are trying to find a bucket with a shortened 24 second shot clock (thus reducing the odds that they find a good look). If you have multiple guys that can play that Harden role but instead of Ariza having the ball in his hands it's a Chris Paul or a Doncic, you immediately have a guy that instantly try to break down the defense once again (allowing the defense no rest). The other point to be made is we all know how good of a distributor Paul and Harden are by themselves, but being the secondary player that receives the ball in a very advantageous position makes the passing lanes almost unfair for these types of players.
Having multiple ball handlers & playmakers is not a bad thing as long as egos are not involved, they play for the best shot, and the team can spread the floor effectively. Some people might look at having multiple playmakers and think "their skillsets overlap thus we can't maximize their production." The problem with that is that you're focusing on an individual's production and not the team's production. You're also failing to recognize the fact that those "overlapping" skillsets might be the only effective way to score on an excellent defensive team when you find yourselves in a playoff series.
Doncic is the clear #1 choice in my eyes. His IQ, shooting stroke, ball handling, rebounding, size, strength, vision, motor, and fire are all things that will translate. You can tell he loves the game and that he absolutely loves to compete & win. He gets a lot of hate on the defensive side of the ball as well. This kid is very, very smart and not a bad athlete. He's going to be fine on that side of the ball. His effort on that side of the ball is there. It's just up to him to apply that high IQ of his to becoming excellent on rotations & positioning while studying the tendencies of other players.
It sounds to me that some people seem to think that you should have one ball handler/playmaker and the rest should be spacing the floor and playing defense. That's not a bad team, but that's not going to be an elite team at the end of the day. Having multiple ball handlers & playmakers makes it all the more challenging for a defense to recover once it is broken down. For the sake of argument, if you have a lineup of...
PG - Beverley
SG - Harden
SF - Ariza
PF - Anderson
C - Capela
...and you have Harden running the show. Let's pretend he does break down the defense initially but the defense recovers and Ariza is squared up on with the ball in his hands. The Rockets typically try to reset it by getting the ball back to Harden which means they are trying to find a bucket with a shortened 24 second shot clock (thus reducing the odds that they find a good look). If you have multiple guys that can play that Harden role but instead of Ariza having the ball in his hands it's a Chris Paul or a Doncic, you immediately have a guy that instantly try to break down the defense once again (allowing the defense no rest). The other point to be made is we all know how good of a distributor Paul and Harden are by themselves, but being the secondary player that receives the ball in a very advantageous position makes the passing lanes almost unfair for these types of players.
Having multiple ball handlers & playmakers is not a bad thing as long as egos are not involved, they play for the best shot, and the team can spread the floor effectively. Some people might look at having multiple playmakers and think "their skillsets overlap thus we can't maximize their production." The problem with that is that you're focusing on an individual's production and not the team's production. You're also failing to recognize the fact that those "overlapping" skillsets might be the only effective way to score on an excellent defensive team when you find yourselves in a playoff series.
Doncic is the clear #1 choice in my eyes. His IQ, shooting stroke, ball handling, rebounding, size, strength, vision, motor, and fire are all things that will translate. You can tell he loves the game and that he absolutely loves to compete & win. He gets a lot of hate on the defensive side of the ball as well. This kid is very, very smart and not a bad athlete. He's going to be fine on that side of the ball. His effort on that side of the ball is there. It's just up to him to apply that high IQ of his to becoming excellent on rotations & positioning while studying the tendencies of other players.
Key word is "could". Who is your dominant scorer? Who's going to get you 20 PPG and demand a double? Fox and Boggy established themselves as effective with the ball in their hands, at times devastatingly effective. So let's go spend the most precious asset we have had in a decade on a guy who is most effective with the ball in his hands? I don't like it. Its not that I don't like Luka. I don't like cashing in this chip on a skill two of our best three players already have when we have other pressing needs in the front court.
Unless we are getting an unequivocal superstar with Luka, and I don't think we are, there are better ways to construct this team. You make valid point that Boggy/Fox being better shooters collectively than Simmons/Fultz. But the fact remains Fox can blow by his man. Luka can't. Why do I want to give the ball to a relatively slow guy when I can give it to a guy with blazing speed? And if I am not giving it to a guy who is admittedly savvy and intelligent and likely to help create a good shot then how am I getting the most out of him?
I want the ball in Lukas hands 70-80% of the time to get the most out of his ability. I want the ball in Fox's hands 70-80% of the time out of the defensive rebound and initiating the offense. This does not even factor how Boggy can pick apart the defense out of the pick and roll. The Math does not add up. The skillsets do NOT complement. Could the Kings run a motion offense so "the three headed monster" gets the touches they need? I don't think so. I think it is tricky.
Bagley does not present any of these problems and he's equally or more talented than Luka. He's your 20 PPG scorer and perfect complement to Fox. Its a no-brainer, really.
Unless we are getting an unequivocal superstar with Luka, and I don't think we are, there are better ways to construct this team. You make valid point that Boggy/Fox being better shooters collectively than Simmons/Fultz. But the fact remains Fox can blow by his man. Luka can't. Why do I want to give the ball to a relatively slow guy when I can give it to a guy with blazing speed? And if I am not giving it to a guy who is admittedly savvy and intelligent and likely to help create a good shot then how am I getting the most out of him?
I want the ball in Lukas hands 70-80% of the time to get the most out of his ability. I want the ball in Fox's hands 70-80% of the time out of the defensive rebound and initiating the offense. This does not even factor how Boggy can pick apart the defense out of the pick and roll. The Math does not add up. The skillsets do NOT complement. Could the Kings run a motion offense so "the three headed monster" gets the touches they need? I don't think so. I think it is tricky.
Bagley does not present any of these problems and he's equally or more talented than Luka. He's your 20 PPG scorer and perfect complement to Fox. Its a no-brainer, really.
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To me it’s athleticism and length. Think of it as an XY chart going from point guard to center center length (Standing reach/wingspan) on the X axis and athleticism (lateral quickness/vertical jump) on the other Axis. Most players would fall in the upper left or lower right quadrants. Those in the upper right are multipositional defenders who can switch at will. Those in the lower left are defensive liabilities who must be hidden on defense.
I don’t think Luka’s missing wingspan numbers are an accident. His average to poor standing reach for a forward doesn’t indicate a plus wingspan for a 6’ 9” player. Of course real data could prove me wrong. So to me Luka fits in the bottom left quadrant. Not the place I want a #2 pick.
I don’t think Luka’s missing wingspan numbers are an accident. His average to poor standing reach for a forward doesn’t indicate a plus wingspan for a 6’ 9” player. Of course real data could prove me wrong. So to me Luka fits in the bottom left quadrant. Not the place I want a #2 pick.
You keep harping on this but the dude doesn't have official measurements because he was playing the Euroleague Final Four when the draft combine happened. This should be so obvious it's not even worth responding to but you keep throwing it out there over and over and over again. As far as I know there's no official measurement for his height either. If Vlade wants official measurements he'll get them if he doesn't have them already. Just because that information hasn't been slathered across draft blogs doesn't mean he's hiding something. What about DeAndre Ayton, Marvin Bagley, and Mikal Bridges skipping the measurements at the combine when they didn't have the excuse that their team kindof needed them in Serbia to win a damn championship? Are they hiding something too? Should we plot Ayton, Bridges, and Bagley in the bottom quadrant too because they're "obviously hiding something"? Come'on man.
I was not high on Stauskas at all but it's easy to see why he was drafted where he was. He had some ball skills and he could shoot. Guys like that have a low bust rate. Also, I wouldn't completely write Stauskas off yet. He got to Brooklyn and shot 40% from deep the second half of the season including a game against New Orleans where he drilled 7 threes in 24 minutes. If you take the best-case scenario of Stauskas developing his handle and his playmaking instincts and his ability to create good looks at the basket he maybe optimistically gets to Doncic's level by age 27. Doncic is there already and he's 19 and he's two inches (maybe three?) taller.
Nobody is brushing off that Doncic is an average athlete at best in the NBA. The difference of opinion is over how much that matters. Plenty of average or worse athletes have done very well in the NBA. Let's just limit ourselves to the Kings: Vlade Divac, Peja Stojakovic, Mike Bibby, Jason Williams, Hedo Turkoglu, Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins. Sure all things being equal it's nice if a player can jump over people and block out the sun with their amazing wingspan but you could take the best athlete in the world and you're never going to teach him the instincts that Doncic has or the court vision or the creativity to shake a defender and create space with a combination of fakes and dribble moves. I'm a little concerned about Luka's foot speed on defense and he still falls into periods of poor shot-selection but the overall package of what he brings is still elite in my mind. Not because he won the Euroleague MVP at age 19 but the way he did it. His basketball skills and ability to process the game are NBA-ready to my eyes.
Also, "lack of athleticism" is such a vague and broadly-defined weakness. Do you think he won't be able to get by defenders in the NBA? Are you worried that the stepback threes he falls in love with are never going to go in at a high enough percentage? Is he scoring most of his points by physically dominating inferior competition in a way that won't be possible in the NBA? I've seen some of these fears echoed by critics who don't think he's a top 2 prospect in the draft and I get it -- I've got some of those concerns as well. But then I remember that he's 19 years old and no prospect is perfect at that age. Ayton and Bagley are two of the best big man prospects to come along in a very long time and they both have concerns about their competitiveness on the defensive end. Jaren Jackson couldn't stay on the floor very long last year without racking up cheap fouls, a problem that some prospects eventually overcome (DeMarcus Cousins) and some never do (Jason Thompson). Mo Bamba is an absolute freak of nature that can practically reach up and drop the ball in the basket without jumping but he shows poor touch around the rim and he's so skinny that he gets knocked off balance way too easily. The list goes on....
But here's the difference with Doncic and the reason why I have him as the clear number 1 prospect this year -- he doesn't win the same way every time. Some games he's a master tactician, negotiating screens and weaving through defenders to find his teammates with precision passes that lead to high percentage shots. Some games he's a veritable And-1 mixtape of crossovers, slide-steps, and in-your-face step back jumpers. In the open court he's always one of the fastest players up the floor. He seems to move even faster with the ball in his hands than he does without it and he's such a creative passer and finisher that he's able to read the defense and make the right decision on the fly. A defense can gameplan and take away your first option but if you have more than one look, that's very hard to stop. And if you're not going to dominate the competition with pure athleticism and turbo fuel (let's call this the Russell Westbrook gameplan) than the only other way you can do it at the highest level and consistently find success is by keeping the defense guessing and always having a counter-move. Herky-jerky ballhandlers like Luka are often just as hard to stop as the elite first step guys because they use the defender's aggressiveness against them, waiting for them to over-commit and then calmly stepping into the space that the defender just vacated. Watch Chris Paul handle the ball for example. He's an absolute master at it.
So you see it's not so much that I'm brushing off the athleticism concerns because he's been dominant in the Spanish League and the Euroleague. I think there are plenty examples of players in the NBA (past and present) whose raw athleticism is average or even a tick below average but they make up for it with size, strength, toughness, intelligence, unpredictability, or all of the above. And I think if you really watch a lot of his games you'll see that Luka checks all or nearly all of those boxes.
Nobody is brushing off that Doncic is an average athlete at best in the NBA. The difference of opinion is over how much that matters. Plenty of average or worse athletes have done very well in the NBA. Let's just limit ourselves to the Kings: Vlade Divac, Peja Stojakovic, Mike Bibby, Jason Williams, Hedo Turkoglu, Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins. Sure all things being equal it's nice if a player can jump over people and block out the sun with their amazing wingspan but you could take the best athlete in the world and you're never going to teach him the instincts that Doncic has or the court vision or the creativity to shake a defender and create space with a combination of fakes and dribble moves. I'm a little concerned about Luka's foot speed on defense and he still falls into periods of poor shot-selection but the overall package of what he brings is still elite in my mind. Not because he won the Euroleague MVP at age 19 but the way he did it. His basketball skills and ability to process the game are NBA-ready to my eyes.
Also, "lack of athleticism" is such a vague and broadly-defined weakness. Do you think he won't be able to get by defenders in the NBA? Are you worried that the stepback threes he falls in love with are never going to go in at a high enough percentage? Is he scoring most of his points by physically dominating inferior competition in a way that won't be possible in the NBA? I've seen some of these fears echoed by critics who don't think he's a top 2 prospect in the draft and I get it -- I've got some of those concerns as well. But then I remember that he's 19 years old and no prospect is perfect at that age. Ayton and Bagley are two of the best big man prospects to come along in a very long time and they both have concerns about their competitiveness on the defensive end. Jaren Jackson couldn't stay on the floor very long last year without racking up cheap fouls, a problem that some prospects eventually overcome (DeMarcus Cousins) and some never do (Jason Thompson). Mo Bamba is an absolute freak of nature that can practically reach up and drop the ball in the basket without jumping but he shows poor touch around the rim and he's so skinny that he gets knocked off balance way too easily. The list goes on....
But here's the difference with Doncic and the reason why I have him as the clear number 1 prospect this year -- he doesn't win the same way every time. Some games he's a master tactician, negotiating screens and weaving through defenders to find his teammates with precision passes that lead to high percentage shots. Some games he's a veritable And-1 mixtape of crossovers, slide-steps, and in-your-face step back jumpers. In the open court he's always one of the fastest players up the floor. He seems to move even faster with the ball in his hands than he does without it and he's such a creative passer and finisher that he's able to read the defense and make the right decision on the fly. A defense can gameplan and take away your first option but if you have more than one look, that's very hard to stop. And if you're not going to dominate the competition with pure athleticism and turbo fuel (let's call this the Russell Westbrook gameplan) than the only other way you can do it at the highest level and consistently find success is by keeping the defense guessing and always having a counter-move. Herky-jerky ballhandlers like Luka are often just as hard to stop as the elite first step guys because they use the defender's aggressiveness against them, waiting for them to over-commit and then calmly stepping into the space that the defender just vacated. Watch Chris Paul handle the ball for example. He's an absolute master at it.
So you see it's not so much that I'm brushing off the athleticism concerns because he's been dominant in the Spanish League and the Euroleague. I think there are plenty examples of players in the NBA (past and present) whose raw athleticism is average or even a tick below average but they make up for it with size, strength, toughness, intelligence, unpredictability, or all of the above. And I think if you really watch a lot of his games you'll see that Luka checks all or nearly all of those boxes.
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Doncic is a better prospect than Nik and I'm not comparing the two..just for anyone who might think I am. I'm still a little puzzled that Stauskas was a bust, but one conclusion I've come to is that I massively overlooked his lack of athleticism when it came to the NBA. Stauskas has a slow first-step and it lead to his inability to take defenders off the dribble. He'd occasionally settle for the step back jumper which we saw this a lot at Michigan. In the NBA, there are only a handful of players who have successfully incorporated the step back jumper into their game. Stauskas also struggled to change direction which severely hampered his ability just getting to the 2nd level of defenders. He never had a kick after his initial move. For Nik, the only successful drives he had to the basket were off-ball. Without developing elite-tier handles, his on-ball scoring never came to fruition. The rest of the game? not sure.
Yeah pretty much this. Lack of quickness, burst, change of direction, vertical, and lateral speed. The biggest thing for me is that I think he'll need to find an effective way to beat defenders off the dribble and also create more separation. He's a strong 19yearold and he relied on his strength to bully opponents while attacking the rim. In the NBA, trying to power people on the drive will usually result in turnovers. Through PnR, we'll see him get past his defender when they try to fight through it, but then he'll struggle to change gears vs. the secondary defenders and it allows the big man catch up. Sometimes instead of taking it up strong, he'll fall backwards or sideways and try to finesse it in. What are some ways he can compensate for his lack of athleticism? He's fallen in love with the step back jumper, but I don't think it's necessarily the best % shot. We're seeing small glimpses of a post up fade-away which could help makeup for his deficiencies. Increasing his ball handling skills would be the best thing for him. Right now, I think his ball handling is a level better than Bogdan's, but he needs to add more advanced dribbles. Maybe he can navigate through defenses with just his IQ alone? Maybe attack at the right angles?
I just think there are a lot of questions to be answered with his athleticism, specifically as a scorer. I've seen a lot of people brush away his lack of athleticism by saying he can do A, B, C, and D. However, it doesn't directly answer the question. So I appreciate your response a lot. Hopefully the NBA can reshape his body. Cut 15-20lbs, build up strength again. Doncic just has a different hill to climb with his lack of athleticism, but every prospect has a hill. If you take away Trae Young, Doncic is my very close #2. I know he'll at least be an NBA starter as long as his head is in the right place(nothing really to suggest otherwise). For me, I think the Kings are just in a weird state where I personally don't think we have a true #1 scorer yet. Picking as high as #2, I'd hope we can find that player. For that reason, it's why I'm perfectly fine with entertaining other names at #2 who don't have the same great skillset as Doncic, but they have higher scoring potential.
Doncic is one of the most divisive players I've seen in a long time. It's not just on KFs, but everywhere.
Yeah pretty much this. Lack of quickness, burst, change of direction, vertical, and lateral speed. The biggest thing for me is that I think he'll need to find an effective way to beat defenders off the dribble and also create more separation. He's a strong 19yearold and he relied on his strength to bully opponents while attacking the rim. In the NBA, trying to power people on the drive will usually result in turnovers. Through PnR, we'll see him get past his defender when they try to fight through it, but then he'll struggle to change gears vs. the secondary defenders and it allows the big man catch up. Sometimes instead of taking it up strong, he'll fall backwards or sideways and try to finesse it in. What are some ways he can compensate for his lack of athleticism? He's fallen in love with the step back jumper, but I don't think it's necessarily the best % shot. We're seeing small glimpses of a post up fade-away which could help makeup for his deficiencies. Increasing his ball handling skills would be the best thing for him. Right now, I think his ball handling is a level better than Bogdan's, but he needs to add more advanced dribbles. Maybe he can navigate through defenses with just his IQ alone? Maybe attack at the right angles?
I just think there are a lot of questions to be answered with his athleticism, specifically as a scorer. I've seen a lot of people brush away his lack of athleticism by saying he can do A, B, C, and D. However, it doesn't directly answer the question. So I appreciate your response a lot. Hopefully the NBA can reshape his body. Cut 15-20lbs, build up strength again. Doncic just has a different hill to climb with his lack of athleticism, but every prospect has a hill. If you take away Trae Young, Doncic is my very close #2. I know he'll at least be an NBA starter as long as his head is in the right place(nothing really to suggest otherwise). For me, I think the Kings are just in a weird state where I personally don't think we have a true #1 scorer yet. Picking as high as #2, I'd hope we can find that player. For that reason, it's why I'm perfectly fine with entertaining other names at #2 who don't have the same great skillset as Doncic, but they have higher scoring potential.
Doncic is one of the most divisive players I've seen in a long time. It's not just on KFs, but everywhere.
I'm beyond skeptical to the point of being dismissive with this point. It's ridiculous. Also, it's tacitly assuming that this fantastical training in not going to be available to all other NBA players, thereby increasing Doncic's quickness and athleticism relative to the competition. If Jimmer could have only been aware of this training, life for him and the Kings would have been so much different!
I'm one of the people that think it wasn't that we kept drafting busts, but it was our culture that caused them to fail. Maybe it was a little of both.
As for drafting Doncic, I agree that there might be too many chefs in the kitchen. It is likely we end up with an amazing offense but a poor defense. If we traded one of our 3 starting guards (after draft) then we could still have a great offense and a good defense.
So who would you trade?
I'd argue for Fox, as much as it pains me to write. The primary ballhandler must be able to hit 3s to win a Championship. No exceptions. Also, atm, Bogdan and Luka are both generally better than Fox with the ball in their hands. If Fox can start hitting 3s then we can keep all 3, if not, I'd rather get better defensively.
As for drafting Doncic, I agree that there might be too many chefs in the kitchen. It is likely we end up with an amazing offense but a poor defense. If we traded one of our 3 starting guards (after draft) then we could still have a great offense and a good defense.
So who would you trade?
I'd argue for Fox, as much as it pains me to write. The primary ballhandler must be able to hit 3s to win a Championship. No exceptions. Also, atm, Bogdan and Luka are both generally better than Fox with the ball in their hands. If Fox can start hitting 3s then we can keep all 3, if not, I'd rather get better defensively.
From this last all-star game I would say Steph Curry, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Goran Dragic, and maybe James Harden are guys who aren't great athletes or have great length. Harden was knocked for his athleticism although I think his length might be considered a little above average. I think it's a fair criticism when discussing defensive potential and I think if you look at the guys mentioned here they can all have problems defensively at times. I don't know that it's a non-starter but definitely something to consider.
Incredible, truly. Your insight is certainly backed up by a lot of articles. Instead of being dismissive and clearly not willing to do any research on this topic, you could stand to learn a thing or two. Telling someone like me who specializes in exercise science that you cannot improve physical ability is a mistake. Please don't mislead people on here with incorrect information about a topic you know next to nothing about.
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I used to think it was the culture that caused them to fail and maybe it caused them to not be able to reach their full potential but I still think they were all busts through and through.
People used to say that the Kings would draft a player, they would play like garbage and then they'd get rid of the player and the player would all the sudden become good but I can't think of that happening at all off hand other than Whiteside but Whiteside was released by a handful of teams, not just the Kings. Going back to even the Petrie days, the only guys that got better after they left were Gerald Wallace and Hedo. Wallace was just a casualty of having a stacked team and there being an expansion draft and Hedo was in the trade that brought us Brad Miller so it wasn't much of a loss. Other than that, the busts have been busts after they've left and the guys who have shown signs of being good (Tyreke, IT and Cousins) have held pat.
Jimmer, TRob, BMac and Stauskas have all been garbage since leaving the Kings and are either out of the league or taking up a spot at the end of some team's bench. That's 4 years in a row of nothing but pure busts in the 5-10 range of the draft. All they had to do was just not take a bust in 1 of those 4 years. A McCollum for BMac, Lillard for TRob or a Klay for Jimmer and the Kings are instant playoff contenders with Cousins.
People used to say that the Kings would draft a player, they would play like garbage and then they'd get rid of the player and the player would all the sudden become good but I can't think of that happening at all off hand other than Whiteside but Whiteside was released by a handful of teams, not just the Kings. Going back to even the Petrie days, the only guys that got better after they left were Gerald Wallace and Hedo. Wallace was just a casualty of having a stacked team and there being an expansion draft and Hedo was in the trade that brought us Brad Miller so it wasn't much of a loss. Other than that, the busts have been busts after they've left and the guys who have shown signs of being good (Tyreke, IT and Cousins) have held pat.
Jimmer, TRob, BMac and Stauskas have all been garbage since leaving the Kings and are either out of the league or taking up a spot at the end of some team's bench. That's 4 years in a row of nothing but pure busts in the 5-10 range of the draft. All they had to do was just not take a bust in 1 of those 4 years. A McCollum for BMac, Lillard for TRob or a Klay for Jimmer and the Kings are instant playoff contenders with Cousins.
Curry has gotten stronger and more explosive since he came into the league and he's refined his handle to the point where he can now get wherever he wants on the floor. But the conversation here is more about perception and coming out of college the perception with Curry is that he was frail and not all that athletic.
Check out his profile on Nbadraft.net for example, the first line under Weaknesses is :
and it goes on to say:
This is a guy we now know as a 2-time League MVP and Champion and likely the greatest shooter in NBA history. Makes you think doesn't it? Based on the comments in this thread a lot of people would have passed on him because they don't like his ceiling, think he'll got dominated by NBA athletes, and expect him to be a liability on defense. This is how a team like Golden State lucks into an MVP at the 7th pick while Hasheem Thabeet goes 2nd overall in the same draft.
Check out his profile on Nbadraft.net for example, the first line under Weaknesses is :
and it goes on to say:
This is a guy we now know as a 2-time League MVP and Champion and likely the greatest shooter in NBA history. Makes you think doesn't it? Based on the comments in this thread a lot of people would have passed on him because they don't like his ceiling, think he'll got dominated by NBA athletes, and expect him to be a liability on defense. This is how a team like Golden State lucks into an MVP at the 7th pick while Hasheem Thabeet goes 2nd overall in the same draft.
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