Care to support your argument with stats/numbers because the stats I've seen don't support what you are saying? Defensive win shares, offensive win shares, Afflalo beats out Ben in every single one.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mclembe01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/afflaar01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mclembe01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/afflaar01.html
No, the blindness is automatically thinking that anyone we bring in for SG is going to be better than Ben. We've been going through this scenario for 3 years and some people haven't figured out a couple of simple facts. 1. Ben is a pretty average SG when you look at his numbers. 2. Anyone we try to get in free agency that will actually come here is going to be an average player with flaws. So excuse me if I don't buy into this "Anyone but Ben" silliness. The team reduced his minutes, took him out of the starting lineup, brought in a vet sharp shooter to spell him and teach him the ropes, used a gritty tough player in Anderson for defense, and yet, the team results were the same.
I'm ok with the Afflalo signing, but I have no illusions that we've been saved somehow. I also don't expect Afflalo to get better with age.
I'm ok with the Afflalo signing, but I have no illusions that we've been saved somehow. I also don't expect Afflalo to get better with age.
I don't like Ben as our starter and I'm not thrilled about AA either.
You said: "Hit your shots, don't let your man decimate you, and provide leadership/toughness".
So Afflalo is better at hitting shoots but because of his shot-selection he has exactly the same TS% as Ben and while he is the better offensive player is production amounts to the 51th highest PER among SG's out of 76- better than Ben, but still pretty bad- another example is him being 42th amongst SG's in ORPM with -0.67, again pretty terrible but better than Ben.
About his defense by all accounts he's pretty terrible- players shoot 1.4% better on him which is the same as Ben but while AA's mark is the worst on the Knicks outside Calderon, Vujacic and rookie Grant- while Ben was about average as it relates to our team.
DRPM puts AA as 84th out of 96th SG's which is beyond terrible, while Ben ranks 39th.
DBPM has AA with -2.4 while Ben is -1.2.
So by the numbers (and my eye test if you trust it
) Ben is the better defender, he isn't good but he's better.
I'm gonna take the provide leadership as looking at team production while he played.
So +/- has AA at -2.1 which is the worst mark on the Knicks other than Grant and our beloved D-Will, while Ben is a +0.3 which is 2nd best on our team after DMC.
And if you look at real plus-minus AA ranked 80th amongst SG while Ben was 56th.
So I don't like both of them starting and while there is a chance AA will rebound if I say that I also have to respect the chance Ben will develop.
You said: "Hit your shots, don't let your man decimate you, and provide leadership/toughness".
So Afflalo is better at hitting shoots but because of his shot-selection he has exactly the same TS% as Ben and while he is the better offensive player is production amounts to the 51th highest PER among SG's out of 76- better than Ben, but still pretty bad- another example is him being 42th amongst SG's in ORPM with -0.67, again pretty terrible but better than Ben.
About his defense by all accounts he's pretty terrible- players shoot 1.4% better on him which is the same as Ben but while AA's mark is the worst on the Knicks outside Calderon, Vujacic and rookie Grant- while Ben was about average as it relates to our team.
DRPM puts AA as 84th out of 96th SG's which is beyond terrible, while Ben ranks 39th.
DBPM has AA with -2.4 while Ben is -1.2.
So by the numbers (and my eye test if you trust it
) Ben is the better defender, he isn't good but he's better.I'm gonna take the provide leadership as looking at team production while he played.
So +/- has AA at -2.1 which is the worst mark on the Knicks other than Grant and our beloved D-Will, while Ben is a +0.3 which is 2nd best on our team after DMC.
And if you look at real plus-minus AA ranked 80th amongst SG while Ben was 56th.
So I don't like both of them starting and while there is a chance AA will rebound if I say that I also have to respect the chance Ben will develop.
Anderson has always sucked, I never expected much out of him regardless. Bellinelli was completely misused on offense, but even so no one could have foreseen just how awful he would be. We knew about the defense, but the offense fell apart too. Whether or not Ben was misused, 3 years is a long time and he should have shown something by now. By what standard is Ben average to you? By win shares? That's not true. Maybe by shooting percentages, but the fact is he is horribly inconsistent and his defense has declined too. If the opposing SG is any good, Ben gets lit up like a christmas tree every time. Even scrubs lit us up consistently. Can't have that out of a starter. Afflalo is better than Ben. What we need out of the SG position is average. We need consistency. I say Afflalo meets those criteria.
If Ben was an average SG, you and I would not be having this conversation today and Afflalo would not be here either. I think that's proof enough.
If Ben was an average SG, you and I would not be having this conversation today and Afflalo would not be here either. I think that's proof enough.
Yeah, that's downright lunacy. That's 25% of the minimum salary cap for a guy that can't stay healthy and doesn't seem a very good defender.
Lots of NBA players are gonna be very, very happy over the next couple days. I'm sure lots of people which their company would have to hand out ridiculous $$ even 1/10 the size of what the NBA is doing.
Lots of NBA players are gonna be very, very happy over the next couple days. I'm sure lots of people which their company would have to hand out ridiculous $$ even 1/10 the size of what the NBA is doing.
Come on man. defensive stats are garbage and you know it. they're laughable to judge ANY player off of.
Anyone who's watched the Knicks will tell you how terrible Afflalo's defense is. I could go on a Knicks board right now, and ask their fans. He was terrible.
I don't get it.... if you've watched Afflalo these last 2/3years, you'd know he's a poor defender.... Ben is better on defense.
Anyone who's watched the Knicks will tell you how terrible Afflalo's defense is. I could go on a Knicks board right now, and ask their fans. He was terrible.
I don't get it.... if you've watched Afflalo these last 2/3years, you'd know he's a poor defender.... Ben is better on defense.
Oh crap. Deal got 100x better with this.
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Also on Kings front, a key update on Arron Afflalo deal: only $1.5 million is guaranteed in the 2nd year of his two-year, $25 mil deal
Also on Kings front, a key update on Arron Afflalo deal: only $1.5 million is guaranteed in the 2nd year of his two-year, $25 mil deal
