Kings making Rudy available for trade?

As much as many of us kings fans dislike Rudy especially for his inconsistency for this year, he is very valuable to our system and team. He is the only legitimate 2nd scoring option behind Cousins that can actually create his own shot. That will be very important when games come down to crunch time and Cousins is on the bench due to foul trouble and etc. At this point I slowly see our team rising and meshing together and we are very close to the 8th seed. Lets not tamper with what we have unless it's getting rid of ben mclemore and a few other pieces for a legit SG upgrade
 
I don't believe Vlade would disrupt this team right now. Especially, trading someone as important as Gay is to this team.

Vlade has said many times that the Kings need stability to play better.

A Gay trade mid-season is the exact opposite of that.

I can see maybe a trade of the peripheral players, but I can't see him trading a DMC, Gay, or Rondo at this point in the season, they are our CORE players, they are all staying.
 
I don't believe Vlade would disrupt this team right now. Especially, trading someone as important as Gay is to this team.

Vlade has said many times that the Kings need stability to play better.

A Gay trade mid-season is the exact opposite of that.

I can see maybe a trade of the peripheral players, but I can't see him trading a DMC, Gay, or Rondo at this point in the season, they are our CORE players, they are all staying.
I don't believe that for a minute. I think the Kings are shopping Gay, but they aren't going to make a trade, just to make a trade. They quietly have him available on the trading block. They're probably looking at the best offers..and my guess? Not too many good offers out there.
 
Koufos is better than Hibbert earning twice as much and is a unrestricted free agent. Lou is a good bench scorer so we trade a top 10 guy at his position in Gay and a young piece in Ben for him and Nance Jr.(will probably be a solid energy bench big aka Acy type). Almost as dumb as when Lakers fans thought they could get Cousins for Randle and Clarkson(and even then they were hesitant about it LOL).
 
As much as many of us kings fans dislike Rudy especially for his inconsistency for this year, he is very valuable to our system and team. He is the only legitimate 2nd scoring option behind Cousins that can actually create his own shot. That will be very important when games come down to crunch time and Cousins is on the bench due to foul trouble and etc. At this point I slowly see our team rising and meshing together and we are very close to the 8th seed. Lets not tamper with what we have unless it's getting rid of ben mclemore and a few other pieces for a legit SG upgrade
I'm not a Gay hater, I like him and agree we need him on the team. He hasn't disappointed me as much as Cuz. Keep Rudy.
 

bajaden

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I don't believe Vlade would disrupt this team right now. Especially, trading someone as important as Gay is to this team.

Vlade has said many times that the Kings need stability to play better.

A Gay trade mid-season is the exact opposite of that.

I can see maybe a trade of the peripheral players, but I can't see him trading a DMC, Gay, or Rondo at this point in the season, they are our CORE players, they are all staying.
It was almost at this exact time of the season when the Kings traded Peja for Artest, and ended up making the playoffs. Peja was one of my favorites, so at the time I was disappointed, but it actually worked out well for the Kings.
 
It was almost at this exact time of the season when the Kings traded Peja for Artest, and ended up making the playoffs. Peja was one of my favorites, so at the time I was disappointed, but it actually worked out well for the Kings.
Peja was damaged goods (bad back) and Artest was only available because of the "Malace in the Palace". I don't see anyone that could possibly be that kind of trade for the Kings right now.

I really don't see anybody out there, that may be available, that could replace Rudy's production.

A legitimate #2 scorer are hard to find and I don't see anyone available or currently on the team that could fill that role.

Without Rudy, teams would just collapse on DMC and force your role players to score the ball.
 
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VF21

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It was almost at this exact time of the season when the Kings traded Peja for Artest, and ended up making the playoffs. Peja was one of my favorites, so at the time I was disappointed, but it actually worked out well for the Kings.
If Vlade does end up trading Rudy or anyone else, I seriously doubt if it will be bungled as badly as the Peja trade was. NO PLAYER should ever learn he's being traded from a crawl-line on ESPN (or on Twitter, etc.).
 
I don't believe that for a minute. I think the Kings are shopping Gay, but they aren't going to make a trade, just to make a trade. They quietly have him available on the trading block. They're probably looking at the best offers..and my guess? Not too many good offers out there.
NO saying no to the Anderson deal kind of says it all. They trot out Alonzo Gee and Dante Cunningham every night and won't part with an expiring contract for Rudy, who's on a team friendly deal in the new cap system. He just doesn't have much trade equity anymore.
 

Entity

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If Vlade does end up trading Rudy or anyone else, I seriously doubt if it will be bungled as badly as the Peja trade was. NO PLAYER should ever learn he's being traded from a crawl-line on ESPN (or on Twitter, etc.).
I don't know in this day and age there is always an idiot in the room when the decision is made that can get it out within seconds. GM probably wants to do it face to face but that could be a few hours. So it's probably more likely now than it was back then. No Twitter in 2004
 

VF21

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I don't know in this day and age there is always an idiot in the room when the decision is made that can get it out within seconds. GM probably wants to do it face to face but that could be a few hours. So it's probably more likely now than it was back then. No Twitter in 2004
But it generally doesn't. IIRC, the reason the Peja info was leaked was because one of the idiot brothers spilled the beans BEFORE the actual deal had been done.
 
Peja was damaged goods (bad back) and Artest was only available because of the "Malace in the Palace". I don't see anyone that could possibly be that kind of trade for the Kings right now.

I really don't see anybody out there, that may be available, that could replace Rudy's production.

A legitimate #2 scorer are hard to find and I don't see anyone available or currently on the team that could fill that role.

Without Rudy, teams would just collapse on DMC and force your role players to score the ball.

Except he isn't even close this season. 53% TS on 16 shots a game is production we can produce fairly easily. His AST rate has plummeted 10% from last year. His FT rate has normalized to career averages after 1 and 1/2 years of him excelling at getting to the line. Omri is decimating Rudy's efficiency this year while not taking away from Rondo and Cousins. And no, he isn't the ISO baller that Rudy is, but is that exactly a bad thing? Less ISO possessions? I wouldn't mind seeing what Omri could do with a bigger shot responsibility anyway
 
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Koufos is better than Hibbert earning twice as much and is a unrestricted free agent. Lou is a good bench scorer so we trade a top 10 guy at his position in Gay and a young piece in Ben for him and Nance Jr.(will probably be a solid energy bench big aka Acy type). Almost as dumb as when Lakers fans thought they could get Cousins for Randle and Clarkson(and even then they were hesitant about it LOL).
I actually don't mind this deal at all. I am a big Lou Will fan though as he's more refined Jamal Crawford who knows how to fit on winning clubs. His contract is crazy good too with the new cap. Nance also has quite a bit more upside than Acy ever did and he's shown a lot of quality skills the last month or so. He's developing a nice mid-range game along with the athleticism and energy to go along with it. Wouldn't surprise me to see him extend that out in a few years. Since he was a 1st round pick too, he's cost controlled at just over $1mil season the next 3 seasons.

Essentially, this deal allows us to replace Rudy's scoring with Lou Will, lock up 2 quality bench pieces on great deals and gain tons of cap flexibility going forward.
 
I wouldn't mind trading Rudy Gay to Portland for CJ McCollum. That kid is a straight baller. He is a legit #2 option for 2 very important reasons/criteria that Rudy Gay does not meet. 1) Ballhandling and shooting. He can do both effectively and will only get better at it. 2) Creates for himself, and most importantly, for others. My criteria for a #2 wingman is when the beast goes out (Cousins), the number two has to either 1) pick up the scoring load himself (and efficiently) or 2) keep the offense going by getting everyone else open looks when the defense focuses on them. Rudy can't do either, at least not effectively or consistently. He will have his 30 points+ nights for sure, but he can't keep the offense going to save his life and he most certainly cannot create for others. When he is the main focus of the defense, he's not nearly as effective. What Rudy Gay is, is a tremendous #3 option. CJ would solve our shooting problem, extra ballhandler problem, and give us a true #2. However, as good a year as CJ is having, the question remains can you count on such production for years to come? Do we risk upsetting Rondo or our "chemistry" by trading arguably our 2nd best player?

I've seen a few reports (I can't find them - don't remember where) where I have seen questions of whether or not Portland should trade McCollum, which is the only reason why I bring him up.
 

Bricklayer

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I wouldn't mind trading Rudy Gay to Portland for CJ McCollum. That kid is a straight baller. He is a legit #2 option for 2 very important reasons/criteria that Rudy Gay does not meet. 1) Ballhandling and shooting. He can do both effectively and will only get better at it. 2) Creates for himself, and most importantly, for others. My criteria for a #2 wingman is when the beast goes out (Cousins), the number two has to either 1) pick up the scoring load himself (and efficiently) or 2) keep the offense going by getting everyone else open looks when the defense focuses on them. Rudy can't do either, at least not effectively or consistently. He will have his 30 points+ nights for sure, but he can't keep the offense going to save his life and he most certainly cannot create for others. When he is the main focus of the defense, he's not nearly as effective. What Rudy Gay is, is a tremendous #3 option. CJ would solve our shooting problem, extra ballhandler problem, and give us a true #2. However, as good a year as CJ is having, the question remains can you count on such production for years to come? Do we risk upsetting Rondo or our "chemistry" by trading arguably our 2nd best player?

I've seen a few reports (I can't find them - don't remember where) where I have seen questions of whether or not Portland should trade McCollum, which is the only reason why I bring him up.
Yeah, that's not happening. I mean, 1) they won't trade him. And 2) if they do, its not going to be for a 30 yr old.

If we were even in the market you always have to look for guys on other teams where either a) the guy has been disappointing; b) the team has been disappointing and is giving up; or 3) there is a contract/money issue looming, forcing a move.
 
I wouldn't mind trading Rudy Gay to Portland for CJ McCollum. That kid is a straight baller. He is a legit #2 option for 2 very important reasons/criteria that Rudy Gay does not meet. 1) Ballhandling and shooting. He can do both effectively and will only get better at it. 2) Creates for himself, and most importantly, for others. My criteria for a #2 wingman is when the beast goes out (Cousins), the number two has to either 1) pick up the scoring load himself (and efficiently) or 2) keep the offense going by getting everyone else open looks when the defense focuses on them. Rudy can't do either, at least not effectively or consistently. He will have his 30 points+ nights for sure, but he can't keep the offense going to save his life and he most certainly cannot create for others. When he is the main focus of the defense, he's not nearly as effective. What Rudy Gay is, is a tremendous #3 option. CJ would solve our shooting problem, extra ballhandler problem, and give us a true #2. However, as good a year as CJ is having, the question remains can you count on such production for years to come? Do we risk upsetting Rondo or our "chemistry" by trading arguably our 2nd best player?

I've seen a few reports (I can't find them - don't remember where) where I have seen questions of whether or not Portland should trade McCollum, which is the only reason why I bring him up.
If we trade for CJ, Rondo is out of the picture. CJ would be our future starting PG... The main reason why that 2PG lineup works so well with Portland is because both PGs can shoot...wouldn't use all of our cap space in FA..never look back at Rondo

I highly doubt that Blazers would ever consider trading CJ. If you want a young and good PG...look at FA. I remember most of KF puked at the idea of any Reggie Jackson trade....yea....

Rudy's comeback value will probably be vets... Unless Minnesota or Philly wants to unload a few of their young guys, we're not going to get someone like CJ for Gay.
 
Yeah, that's not happening. I mean, 1) they won't trade him. And 2) if they do, its not going to be for a 30 yr old.

If we were even in the market you always have to look for guys on other teams where either a) the guy has been disappointing; b) the team has been disappointing and is giving up; or 3) there is a contract/money issue looming, forcing a move.
Yea I was aware of all that but hey one can dream! It's why I said Oladipo was maybe the best SG we could pry from a team since the Magic were playing poorly, but even he is an extreme long shot.
 
I wouldn't mind trading Rudy Gay to Portland for CJ McCollum. That kid is a straight baller. He is a legit #2 option for 2 very important reasons/criteria that Rudy Gay does not meet. 1) Ballhandling and shooting. He can do both effectively and will only get better at it. 2) Creates for himself, and most importantly, for others. My criteria for a #2 wingman is when the beast goes out (Cousins), the number two has to either 1) pick up the scoring load himself (and efficiently) or 2) keep the offense going by getting everyone else open looks when the defense focuses on them. Rudy can't do either, at least not effectively or consistently. He will have his 30 points+ nights for sure, but he can't keep the offense going to save his life and he most certainly cannot create for others. When he is the main focus of the defense, he's not nearly as effective. What Rudy Gay is, is a tremendous #3 option. CJ would solve our shooting problem, extra ballhandler problem, and give us a true #2. However, as good a year as CJ is having, the question remains can you count on such production for years to come? Do we risk upsetting Rondo or our "chemistry" by trading arguably our 2nd best player?

I've seen a few reports (I can't find them - don't remember where) where I have seen questions of whether or not Portland should trade McCollum, which is the only reason why I bring him up.
Seems many have a very unreasonable expectation of Rudy's trade value. C.J is one of the top upcoming guards/potential All-star caliber players in the entire NBA right now and he's dirt cheap at just $3.2 mil next season. Portland has almost 0 salary commitments beyond Lillard too, so keeping him wouldn't be any trouble at all for them.
 

kingsboi

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If we trade for CJ, Rondo is out of the picture. CJ would be our future starting PG... The main reason why that 2PG lineup works so well with Portland is because both PGs can shoot...wouldn't use all of our cap space in FA..never look back at Rondo

I highly doubt that Blazers would ever consider trading CJ. If you want a young and good PG...look at FA. I remember most of KF puked at the idea of any Reggie Jackson trade....yea....

Rudy's comeback value will probably be vets... Unless Minnesota or Philly wants to unload a few of their young guys, we're not going to get someone like CJ for Gay.
CJ is not a PG...he is a SG playing PG in small spurts because of Lillard's injury and/or play making abilities.
 
CJ is not a PG...he is a SG playing PG in small spurts because of Lillard's injury and/or play making abilities.
Highly disagree with you there. He's a scoring guard...much better at PG where he can create his own shots.

Loved him at Leigh. He can play either position, but he's better at PG. He can exploit the smaller guys. Plus, he does better with the ball in his hands.