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The other comment referenced the guys competing every night.
There has been a decreased in effort. The body language has changed among the players. Our defense has worsen, and 75% of defense is based off of effort and desire. The guys are not bringing 100% every night and it is showing. What's changed between Malone and Corbin? Has Corbin suddenly told the players to focus less on defense? Offense has changed a bit, but defense has not.
If Cousins is only at 60%, shouldn't that automatically be a reason why this team is on the down spiral? Instead, the blame has shifted to the "pace" and "style".
The type of effort we've seen in the first 10 games, isn't the same effort we've seen the last 10 games.
When Cousins was out with his illness, you could see the change in effort and attitude. Guys weren't bringing their A game and played like they expected to lose without Cousins. We're seeing the same thing after Malone's firing.
There has been a decreased in effort. The body language has changed among the players. Our defense has worsen, and 75% of defense is based off of effort and desire. The guys are not bringing 100% every night and it is showing. What's changed between Malone and Corbin? Has Corbin suddenly told the players to focus less on defense? Offense has changed a bit, but defense has not.
If Cousins is only at 60%, shouldn't that automatically be a reason why this team is on the down spiral? Instead, the blame has shifted to the "pace" and "style".
The type of effort we've seen in the first 10 games, isn't the same effort we've seen the last 10 games.
When Cousins was out with his illness, you could see the change in effort and attitude. Guys weren't bringing their A game and played like they expected to lose without Cousins. We're seeing the same thing after Malone's firing.
Tyreke was my favorite King before he was traded. I believed it was a mistake at the time, but it's proving not to be.
When you look at the bigger picture, Tyreke just didn't fit here. He's a natural PG, and I can go on and on about how much I love his game, but it just wasn't going to work here. We've seen Reke and Cuz play together for 3years, and we've never had a winning season. They don't compliment each other very well because Cousins loves to hover over the paint. As strange as it is, I've noticed Tyreke has gained more muscle and mass to fit the 3 at NO. This has worsen is finishing skills.
It's been 6 years since Reke has been in the NBA, and he still doesn't have a jumper. Reke is a PG, but I don't feel like he would've gotten the opportunity to play the point here.
I think Rudy>Tyreke at the 3.
When you look at the bigger picture, Tyreke just didn't fit here. He's a natural PG, and I can go on and on about how much I love his game, but it just wasn't going to work here. We've seen Reke and Cuz play together for 3years, and we've never had a winning season. They don't compliment each other very well because Cousins loves to hover over the paint. As strange as it is, I've noticed Tyreke has gained more muscle and mass to fit the 3 at NO. This has worsen is finishing skills.
It's been 6 years since Reke has been in the NBA, and he still doesn't have a jumper. Reke is a PG, but I don't feel like he would've gotten the opportunity to play the point here.
I think Rudy>Tyreke at the 3.
His only good move that has worked out so far was trading for a guy that was disgustingly overpaid and turned his previous two teams into contenders by simply not being on those teams anymore.....
Other than that what has he done, Drafted Nik Stauskas? Signed Sessions? Signed a backup PG as our starting PG? WHOOOOOOOPEEEE!
Other than that what has he done, Drafted Nik Stauskas? Signed Sessions? Signed a backup PG as our starting PG? WHOOOOOOOPEEEE!
Well he's not happy about it, and there he is behind Dragic and Bledsoe with a strong willed coach.
Trying to keep him pinned behind Collison on what he considered "his" team would have likely gone like trying to keep him behind Greivis, Brooks, even Tyreke. Losing IT was losing talent. Losing his selfish ego was a blessing.
Trying to keep him pinned behind Collison on what he considered "his" team would have likely gone like trying to keep him behind Greivis, Brooks, even Tyreke. Losing IT was losing talent. Losing his selfish ego was a blessing.
I think he is more of a 2 guard the offense becomes to one dimensional with him at the 1.
As far as reke and cuz, we never had a chance to see the offense ran through them because of IT looking for his own shot, I remember reke having one of his best games against the bulls when IT got benched for foul trouble.
Rudy is better offensively but as a defender and playmaker reke is a few steps ahead
As far as reke and cuz, we never had a chance to see the offense ran through them because of IT looking for his own shot, I remember reke having one of his best games against the bulls when IT got benched for foul trouble.
Rudy is better offensively but as a defender and playmaker reke is a few steps ahead
The interesting thing is when you get down to it, his one big deal was made with his old boss in Denver. A deal with a friend. beyond that, we won 28 games last year amongst all the mucking, same as 2 years ago, we started doing better and he promptly scuttled us in his 2nd season here. Guys he's dumped are the starting center for a contender in Portland, the #2 guy helping make Anthony Davis a MVP candidate in Portland, and a 6MOY candidate for Phoenix. How much have we improved exactly if you factor out Boogie's improvement? Because he keeps getting better, and we keep not getting better despite it.
Actually if Pete gets himself fired via all this he completely deserves it. It appears it was blind luck that a coach he did not hire had managed to weld his mistakes into a competitive roster. You wouldn't have called them mistakes until Pete exposed how little he knew his own roster and canned a coach getting more out of it than anybody (but Pete and Vivek obviously) thought was possible before the season started. So obviously that wasn't the plan.
Actually if Pete gets himself fired via all this he completely deserves it. It appears it was blind luck that a coach he did not hire had managed to weld his mistakes into a competitive roster. You wouldn't have called them mistakes until Pete exposed how little he knew his own roster and canned a coach getting more out of it than anybody (but Pete and Vivek obviously) thought was possible before the season started. So obviously that wasn't the plan.
I disagree with you. We've all seen Tyreke play the 1 in his rookie year and that was when he was the most effective. Imagine if we had a content coach who decided they would leave Tyreke at the 1 and actually develop his passing and PG skills?
I have no doubt in my mind that he would've been a top 5 PG in the NBA IF the Kings actually developed his skills. Tyreke is a good creator for his teammates and is very effective around the basket. PLUS, he's a great defender. 6'5 and could've dominated ALL of the PGs in the NBA.
I love Tyreke's game as a PG, and it's a shame we couldn't let him develop at the 1. I honestly believe that the Kings messed up Tyreke's development. Again, he was my favorite King before he was traded.
Like you said, Reke had one of his best games when IT got benched. I bet you Reke was playing the point... I still hate the Magoofs for messing up a talent like Tyreke.
Tyreke is best when the ball is in his hands. He can create and score. If you play him off the ball, that's when he becomes MOST ineffective. It's why he couldn't play next to a ball hogging IT. Pair that up with a ball dominant C like Cousins, that's the worst possible scenario that Reke could've been in.
Reke should have been our starting PG with Isaiah Thomas coming off the bench, but that was too much to ask for.
I have no doubt in my mind that he would've been a top 5 PG in the NBA IF the Kings actually developed his skills. Tyreke is a good creator for his teammates and is very effective around the basket. PLUS, he's a great defender. 6'5 and could've dominated ALL of the PGs in the NBA.
I love Tyreke's game as a PG, and it's a shame we couldn't let him develop at the 1. I honestly believe that the Kings messed up Tyreke's development. Again, he was my favorite King before he was traded.
Like you said, Reke had one of his best games when IT got benched. I bet you Reke was playing the point... I still hate the Magoofs for messing up a talent like Tyreke.
Tyreke is best when the ball is in his hands. He can create and score. If you play him off the ball, that's when he becomes MOST ineffective. It's why he couldn't play next to a ball hogging IT. Pair that up with a ball dominant C like Cousins, that's the worst possible scenario that Reke could've been in.
Reke should have been our starting PG with Isaiah Thomas coming off the bench, but that was too much to ask for.
#2 Guy making Tyreke a MVP candidate? Tyreke excels with AD because AD hovers around the perimeter. Cuz loves to hover around the paint because he's a C. The two combo just didn't fit unless Tyreke was going to play the point.
I think Pete's good moves have not been outweighed by the negatives. OKC letting Harden go was a bad move. The Kings letting Tyreke go was not a bad move.
IT situation has a lot of question marks around it. We have no clue what was going on behind the scenes, but it's really strange if your teammates have no communicated with you at all during the offseason. Especially with the sour grapes that've come afterwards especially on twitter. Lots of Q marks around the entire situation
I think Pete's good moves have not been outweighed by the negatives. OKC letting Harden go was a bad move. The Kings letting Tyreke go was not a bad move.
IT situation has a lot of question marks around it. We have no clue what was going on behind the scenes, but it's really strange if your teammates have no communicated with you at all during the offseason. Especially with the sour grapes that've come afterwards especially on twitter. Lots of Q marks around the entire situation
I agree with you on the James Harden comparison, but at Houston, he gets the keys to that franchise. Here in Sac, he's had to play behind Cousins ever since we've drafted him. I think Malone was in love with Thomas. I doubt he would've let Tyreke play at the point.
If you personally ask me who I would've built the franchise around, I would've picked Tyreke.... no disrespect to the arguably best Center in the NBA, but I love Reke and his game. Him at the point could've been wow. BUT the stupid Magoofs messed it all up..
If you personally ask me who I would've built the franchise around, I would've picked Tyreke.... no disrespect to the arguably best Center in the NBA, but I love Reke and his game. Him at the point could've been wow. BUT the stupid Magoofs messed it all up..
Yes and no. I'm sure Corbin wanted to see the team playing the same type of defense that they did to start the season. But when you're trying to put in new sets and wrinkles in the middle of the season that's what you spend your limited practice time on. Under Malone they would have kept working on the same things instead of learning a new system. And Corbin HAS changed the defense. Look at the approach our bigs now take on the pick and roll. Point being that I believe the defense has suffered because it isn't the same point of emphasis in practice that it was previously.
The person who mentioned "pace" and "style" was D'Alessandro since he used them as reasons for Malone's firing. And the bit about Cousins only being 60% was part of a comment by D'Alessandro imploring Kings fans to be patient with Corbin even though he only won one more game in his first 10 games than Malone did in his last ten despite having Cousins playing in nine of them.
And my point is that if we're looking for why this team is struggling, I'd say taking your franchise player, a guy that you say is far from being back to normal healthwise, and making him play more minutes and do a lot more running each games strikes me as a terrible plan and part of the reason for the decline in play.
So if the Kings were giving very good effort under one head coach and are now not giving good effort under the replacement head coach, isn't that a pretty clear sign that (1) the first coach was doing a much better job and (2) that it was a mistake to fire him in the middle of the season?
The person who mentioned "pace" and "style" was D'Alessandro since he used them as reasons for Malone's firing. And the bit about Cousins only being 60% was part of a comment by D'Alessandro imploring Kings fans to be patient with Corbin even though he only won one more game in his first 10 games than Malone did in his last ten despite having Cousins playing in nine of them.
And my point is that if we're looking for why this team is struggling, I'd say taking your franchise player, a guy that you say is far from being back to normal healthwise, and making him play more minutes and do a lot more running each games strikes me as a terrible plan and part of the reason for the decline in play.
So if the Kings were giving very good effort under one head coach and are now not giving good effort under the replacement head coach, isn't that a pretty clear sign that (1) the first coach was doing a much better job and (2) that it was a mistake to fire him in the middle of the season?
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One might note that of the three trades you listed as terrible, two did not actually happen.
Although there were initial reports that we were after Deron Williams, later reports suggested we were in fact after Mason Plumlee. It sounds to me as if it were the Nets, not the Kings, who were interested in including Deron Williams in that trade. Note that we did not trade for Deron Williams.
As far as Josh Smith goes, despite reports we can't have been too hard after him. The Pistons just cut him for absolutely nothing. Don't you think that if they could have sent him to us for something like Derrick Williams and either JT/Landry they would have? If nothing else it would have saved them money. Yet, that didn't happen, and the Pistons took about $40M and lit it on fire. Obviously if we were after Josh Smith, our asking price was pretty darn steep, because the Pistons preferred to light $40M on fire.
So far it looks like "Didn't trade for Deron Williams" and "Didn't trade for Josh Smith" fall onto the positive side on the ledger.
Although there were initial reports that we were after Deron Williams, later reports suggested we were in fact after Mason Plumlee. It sounds to me as if it were the Nets, not the Kings, who were interested in including Deron Williams in that trade. Note that we did not trade for Deron Williams.
As far as Josh Smith goes, despite reports we can't have been too hard after him. The Pistons just cut him for absolutely nothing. Don't you think that if they could have sent him to us for something like Derrick Williams and either JT/Landry they would have? If nothing else it would have saved them money. Yet, that didn't happen, and the Pistons took about $40M and lit it on fire. Obviously if we were after Josh Smith, our asking price was pretty darn steep, because the Pistons preferred to light $40M on fire.
So far it looks like "Didn't trade for Deron Williams" and "Didn't trade for Josh Smith" fall onto the positive side on the ledger.
